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robbie777
29-05-2007, 07:52 PM
Ive had a lot of confusion to a question of, a license needed to play copyright songs for fighters entrance music. Does any promoters on here know anything about it.

I was told there needed to be a license for the fighters to use such music or I could become prosecuted by the music labels.

Can anyone shed any light about this?

:) cheers

James Saville
29-05-2007, 09:47 PM
just have some guy paying a keyboard when they come into the ring

robbie777
29-05-2007, 09:52 PM
lmfao trust u to come up with something like that lol :p

iandean
29-05-2007, 09:58 PM
You need permission of the copyright holders.

But as a fighter you won't get done, the promoters will if they put it on a dvd.

I'll get you an extact answer soon

robbie777
29-05-2007, 09:59 PM
thanks kainer2

much appreciated :D

EddNg
30-05-2007, 01:38 AM
Look into MCP, that might be it, I know I had to for my university project

Mechanical Copyright Protection

robbie777
30-05-2007, 09:42 AM
Look into MCP, that might be it, I know I had to for my university project

Mechanical Copyright Protection

nice one edd. lol gd too see you bk in the forum :p

daspecimen
30-05-2007, 12:01 PM
kainer pretty much has it on the button. Technically speaking if you play an artists song in public they are deserving of royalty payment (fee) for this. Therefore this all needs to be registered and done in accordance with copywrite laws.

i had wondered about this cos the UFC had a stage where everyone had either standard entrance music, or that of the UFC metal artists, but recently they have gone back to giving the artists a choice. Some agreement will have had to be met.

I'm sure CR don't allow copywritten music to be used as entraces anymore.

Individual music is the way forward imo

Rob Hannis
30-05-2007, 12:20 PM
Easy solution then, fighters come out to their own choice of music. Dvd is edited with the promoters choice of copyright free music and some fake crowd noise, happy days.

iandean
30-05-2007, 12:44 PM
Easy solution then, fighters come out to their own choice of music. Dvd is edited with the promoters choice of copyright free music and some fake crowd noise, happy days.

It's not really an easy solution, as the extra editing costs time and money and if not done properly sounds and looks crap.

joe_sexton
30-05-2007, 01:01 PM
Robbie am sure you wont get in to trouble coming out to noises of sheep!!

Unless the farmer u took the sheep from finds out!! :|

Rob Hannis
30-05-2007, 05:58 PM
It's not really an easy solution, as the extra editing costs time and money and if not done properly sounds and looks crap.

Works on porno's! And some ahem 'back up' DVD's are often out of sync

kagemusha
30-05-2007, 06:26 PM
OK Rob,

You will not be liable for prosecution in regard to copyright infringement subject to the following.

1. The venue has registered with MCPS & PRS (They have joined forces now)
hence they (the venue) have the right to play music in the public domain only and pay a fee to the Publishing companies for doing so.

2. If the Promoter films the event encompassing the composition (music) then a licence agreement must be obtained and agreed upon prior to the dvd (or specified format) is release. Failure will result in the infringement in the right to Copy, sell, distribute, manufacture, make derivatives (in part or full) or download under CPDA 1988 s 16(as amended)

You providing the composition in itself does not constitute a break of CPDA 1988. If you flim it and up-load it encompassing the music then you be in breach of the act and subject to prosecution. This is normally a heavy fine for damages and or a injunction.

It must also be noted that fighters who have not expressly or implied their consent to be flim, may also be able to take action of which the same remedy maybe available.

iandean
30-05-2007, 07:48 PM
OK Rob,

You will not be liable for prosecution in regard to copyright infringement subject to the following.

1. The venue has registered with MCPS & PRS (They have joined forces now)
hence they (the venue) have the right to play music in the public domain only and pay a fee to the Publishing companies for doing so.

2. If the Promoter films the event encompassing the composition (music) then a licence agreement must be obtained and agreed upon prior to the dvd (or specified format) is release. Failure will result in the infringement in the right to Copy, sell, distribute, manufacture, make derivatives (in part or full) or download under CPDA 1988 s 16(as amended)

You providing the composition in itself does not constitute a break of CPDA 1988. If you flim it and up-load it encompassing the music then you be in breach of the act and subject to prosecution. This is normally a heavy fine for damages and or a injunction.

It must also be noted that fighters who have not expressly or implied their consent to be flim, may also be able to take action of which the same remedy maybe available.

The day that happens will be the day in which

a) that fighter never gets a fight in the UK again

or

b) Promotions force every fighter to sign long winded contracts which will cause more problems

kagemusha
31-05-2007, 04:51 PM
Itís a remedy that is available in law regardless of how promoters view it or the detriment of the fighter. I can see situations i.e. where the unit sales are so vast that the estimated damage payout may override the fighter being ostracised as a result to winning the case.

If the issue is so adverse to the promoter then the simple solution is to agree to this issue as a term within the contract; as apposed to just releasing the DVDís without consent on the assumption that no action will be taken. Regardless of the consequences (which I feel should be considered) it only takes one take successful action to open the potential floodgates.

As my old boss used to say 'Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups'

I am not advocating this stance, however I represent fighters and in doing so it is my duty to inform then of there rights just as I would if I was working with promoters.

iandean
31-05-2007, 11:59 PM
It’s a remedy that is available in law regardless of how promoters view it or the detriment of the fighter. I can see situations i.e. where the unit sales are so vast that the estimated damage payout may override the fighter being ostracised as a result to winning the case.

If the issue is so adverse to the promoter then the simple solution is to agree to this issue as a term within the contract; as apposed to just releasing the DVD’s without consent on the assumption that no action will be taken. Regardless of the consequences (which I feel should be considered) it only takes one take successful action to open the potential floodgates.

As my old boss used to say 'Assumption is the mother of all f*ckups'

I am not advocating this stance, however I represent fighters and in doing so it is my duty to inform then of there rights just as I would if I was working with promoters.

I represent fighters too, but i feel that doing that would be a petty and extreme measure.

If you don't want to be filmed fighting, then surely the common sense solution would be not to fight.

However i do see where you are coming from and can see why fighters wouldnt want to be filmed away from the fighting arena.

But this is something that could be resolved with a simple word in someone's ear.

kagemusha
01-06-2007, 09:41 AM
I represent fighters too, but i feel that doing that would be a petty and extreme measure.

If you don't want to be filmed fighting, then surely the common sense solution would be not to fight.

However i do see where you are coming from and can see why fighters wouldnt want to be filmed away from the fighting arena.

But this is something that could be resolved with a simple word is someone's ear.

Ok put it this way, fighters fight promoters flim over wise I just negotiate Flim contracts not fight contracts. Filming the event maybe deemed as a benefit Primarily to the events organiser (due to promotions thereof, further recoupment of costs and if marketed right additional revenue.)

As all promoters within the UK (that I'm aware of ) do not pay the fighters royalties or a external fee for the assignment of this right, the benefit is limited to the fighter albeit that it could be argued that it helps promote the fighter (moot point as it could strongly be agrued that fighters view remunerations over marketing which may not prove beneficial imho).

The issue is in my opinion is simple, promoters should limit this issue by including this issue as a term of the contract OR place a Large notice in full view, at entry stating that the event is to be filmed and your entry will be deemed as given consent.

Interesting issue and as things grow I am sure it will be raised again; we'll just have to see how it pans out.

Ben Rennick
01-06-2007, 10:38 AM
Just too add to original question,

even if the venue/event doesnt have a prs/mcps licence, they or the DJ just needs a PPL licence and all will be good as long as what he plays it written down and sent off.

I dont think many record lables are going to bother you as im sure they have better things to do with their time, but if your dvd became a world wide best seller or something then you may have problem on your hands, its not alot of money for licence so might be better just to get one.

hope it helps

iandean
01-06-2007, 12:08 PM
Just too add to original question,

even if the venue/event doesnt have a prs/mcps licence, they or the DJ just needs a PPL licence and all will be good as long as what he plays it written down and sent off.

I dont think many record lables are going to bother you as im sure they have better things to do with their time, but if your dvd became a world wide best seller or something then you may have problem on your hands, its not alot of money for licence so might be better just to get one.

hope it helps

we was advised by our film crew not to play copyrighted music and that's what we do (unless fighters are sneaky and go to the dj directly) :mad: