political question about water

[nomad]

if water is a natural occurence and comes from the sky.
and there are people who end up in debt because of their water bill.
would it not make sense to provide it as a non profit making service and have the bill taken out of your wages in the same way tax is?
I work for a water company and it's vile how we bill people and make that kind of profit.
I'm fucking sick and looking for a solution

[SuntanSuperman]

bananas are a naturel occurance
potatoes are a naturel occurance
Corn is a naturel occurance.............yet they are all commodities to be sold, just like water is

its hardly the case that we are drinking rain water.....the water we get has been filtered and cleaned and ran through an extensive water works system. i dont see why it shouldnt be run as a business like the vast majority of lifes other necessaties

[nomad]

amazingly.. I couldn't log onto Davidicke.com this morning.. it was overloaded no doubt.

Water is considered BY the government a human right.
it is merely a privatised company for financial gain.

we pay taxes which pay for other services like the NHS
that is how they get paid.
Why should we not pay for a water company in the same setup.
The workers still get paid, but the profits are capped.
We all get our water and human right.

We pay taxes for many things, water should be included.
It should not be allowed for marking up like a brand of food.

[SuntanSuperman]

amazingly.. I couldn't log onto Davidicke.com this morning.. it was overloaded no doubt.

Water is considered BY the government a human right.
it is merely a privatised company for financial gain.

we pay taxes which pay for other services like the NHS
that is how they get paid.
Why should we not pay for a water company in the same setup.
The workers still get paid, but the profits are capped.
We all get our water and human right.

We pay taxes for many things, water should be included.
It should not be allowed for marking up like a brand of food.

and look att eh state of the NHS!!
Privatisation is the way forward....lookat the trains, which whilst still shit, are better than before
this is a capatilist society. you want communism, move to china

[nomad]

TALK OF THE DEVIL , TWO MINUTES LATER I RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM DavidIcke.com , most weird !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

no coincidence though :)

[SuntanSuperman]

ickle is a fruit cake

[nomad]

ickle is a fruit cake

muppet :p

if we have to move away to find our ideal place to live then we are victims.
if they banned MMA from this country surely you would campaign against it, not move to india if it was the only place doing it?

So, fuck the capitalist society, fight against it, or get kicked to the floor like a dog and accept what the world tells you.

[ddale]

if water is a natural occurence and comes from the sky.
and there are people who end up in debt because of their water bill.
would it not make sense to provide it as a non profit making service and have the bill taken out of your wages in the same way tax is?
I work for a water company and it's vile how we bill people and make that kind of profit.
I'm fucking sick and looking for a solution

Dude you aren't paying for the water, you are paying for the purification of the water and the removal of waste products. If you don't want to pay your water rates you can go to the river with a bucket full of turds & piss and come back with a bucket full of water every morning instead :D

[nomad]

man.
I'm not very clear with my thread.

Water is something that is natural.
It's considered a human right.
We should get as a standard service, the same we we get emergency health care.
I'm happy to pay for it, but not to feed a private corporation for it.
If it is controlled as a government service, the same way many things are, like the NHS, then why can't we be taxed for it, have the service the same as it is now and stop having private water companies charge what the fuck they want for their services?

Simple. Pay for it through taxes. get the same product. just like the NHS.

[nomad]

and just so you know, if it ever comes down to it.. I'm emptying my bucket of turds and piss into YOUR part of the river

[SuntanSuperman]

lmao!!

your mental

for one, the NHS shouldnt exist...should all be private
number 2, how are u a victim if you dont find society perfect and feel you have to move away? society cant be built around everyones ideals, only the vast majoritu, thats why we live in a democratic society and have the right to vote. you also have the right to complain and protest, like i would do with mma...i wouldnt consider myself a victim

here a better solution for your problem....stop been a bum, get a hgood job and pay your water bill on time...problem solved

[ddale]

Simple. Pay for it through taxes. get the same product. just like the NHS.

Fair enough blame Thacher, I always do. :D

[SuntanSuperman]

Maggie T = Best PM since Churchill

[nomad]

I blame Thatcher too.. the bitch.

SUNTANSUPERTROLL.. you aren't going to be living in MY perfect society when it rises from the ashes of this illuminati controlled world.. just thought you should know.

And I work for the frign water company.. the sick b'stards..

[SuntanSuperman]

nomad....yuo are a morlock (not a cool x-man morlock tho)
i am an Eloi.........who had learnt MMA

know your role and shut your hole
and fetch me a martini with an umbrella in it
:p

[OLDBOY]

would it not make sense to provide it as a non profit making service and have the bill taken out of your wages in the same way tax is?
I live in Scotland and i'm pretty sure my water is covered in my council tax. But then it has been a while since I actually looked at my bills n stuff.

[SuntanSuperman]

you should get free stuff to make u feel better about been scottish :D

[OLDBOY]

you should get free stuff to make u feel better about been scottish :D

Not wanting to sound like a knob, and not that I'd have a problem with being Scottish, but I'm English.

So there, Mr Funny Man:p

[SuntanSuperman]

1) you do
2) good for you
3) one redeeming feature


:D

[OLDBOY]

1) I know, but I couldn't help it. It was like I was watching myself from above and couldn't stop what I was doing.
2) Thanks.
3) Thanks again.

[Matty]

if water is a natural occurence and comes from the sky.
and there are people who end up in debt because of their water bill.
would it not make sense to provide it as a non profit making service and have the bill taken out of your wages in the same way tax is?
I work for a water company and it's vile how we bill people and make that kind of profit.
I'm fucking sick and looking for a solution

Correct, water is a natural occurence... So go drink from a stream or a river!

The fact that its natural is irrelevant, your not paying for the actual 'substance', your paying for the delivery of of the substance, i.e. processing , desalination, cleaning, maintenance etc.

Couldnt comment on the profit bit cos I dont know how much they make, but I agree on the 'not for profit' bit, or at least a higher degree of government intervention and regulation.

[Jollio]

It is against the law for the water board to cut off your water supply.........so just dont pay, you might get blacklisted etc but you will still have water

[nomad]

It is against the law for the water board to cut off your water supply.........so just dont pay, you might get blacklisted etc but you will still have water

it it's taken out in taxes, you won't have to worry about getting blacklisted my friend.
And yes, we take them to court, the old, the young, the handicapped, we rob them all.

[csmith07]

Do what us real Scottish folk do. Drink your own piss. Problem solved. Pussies.:D

[nomad]

Do what us real Scottish folk do. Drink your own piss. Problem solved. Pussies.:D

yeah, but even you scots are bottling it and calling it irn bru.. you are no different to the water boards..

[csmith07]

Ha ha ha. I prefer diet. Less syrupy! :D

[A.B Abacus]

Diet Bru? 'Full fat' Irn Bru or no Bru at all!

[csmith07]

Hmmm no, it gives me wind.......

[Fightshop.Com]

Nobody pays for water, it is completely and utterly free. However if you want someone to capture it, store it, filter and purify it and then deliver it directly to your home then this is a service you can pay for.

[Ben]

nationalising the water system would not solve the problems. In general private companies run things cheaper and more efficiently. Furthermore privatisation of the water supply opened up greater investment - when it was nationalised (i.e. pre-1989) the pipe system was in a shite state, since privatisation leakages have gone down massively due to increased investment which central government cannot provide.

Nationalising industries is not usually the right answer, for the most part private companies work better. Profit isn't a dirty word, it is a sign of good practice, in the case of utilities there are the Regulartory authorities (eg OfWat, OfCom) who prevent excessive profiteering/inferior service levels etc. Brad however is massively wrong about the health service, it should not all be private. Plus Im not sure if Maggie T was the best PM since Churchill but she is pretty close.

[fightingfan]

Out of interest does anyone know, prior to it hitting the ground and being rounded up and having "piss & turds & stuff" dumped in it, if rainwater is safe to drink?

[nomad]

Ben "gets" the post and answers good.

3 points.
rest of you camelhumpers, nil poi.

[SuntanSuperman]

nationalising the water system would not solve the problems. In general private companies run things cheaper and more efficiently. Furthermore privatisation of the water supply opened up greater investment - when it was nationalised (i.e. pre-1989) the pipe system was in a shite state, since privatisation leakages have gone down massively due to increased investment which central government cannot provide.

Nationalising industries is not usually the right answer, for the most part private companies work better. Profit isn't a dirty word, it is a sign of good practice, in the case of utilities there are the Regulartory authorities (eg OfWat, OfCom) who prevent excessive profiteering/inferior service levels etc. Brad however is massively wrong about the health service, it should not all be private. Plus Im not sure if Maggie T was the best PM since Churchill but she is pretty close.


how am i wrong about privatisation of health?
our nhs is in a state of shambles.

nurses get paid a pittence in relation to their USA counterparts. Waiting times are huge. Diseases (superbugs) are rampant in 1 in 4 NHS hospitals. Immigrants contanlty come over here on 'holiday' and then take advantage of our health system when they have contributed zero in tax and it allows the scum of society who dont work/take advantage of our benefits system to get free help, when they can't be bothered to help themselves!

yes some sort of public health service should be made available to the genuinely poor people who through no fault of their own can't afford private medical help, but other than that it should be private. also paving the way for more money in schools........