Jitsu foundation

[bigreddog]

http://www.jitsufoundation.org/JuJitsu.asp?Page=The_Jitsu_Foundation_-_Ju-jitsu_in_uk_and_worldwide_home_page

Anybody train with any of these clubs? They are obviously trad jj focussed, but having moved house there is a club practically on my doorstep (and not much else for miles). I'll pop down for a look but if anybody has any experience then I'd appreciate it.

[tritaffy]

I practice trad jj and it's a million miles from MMA. I would just turn up and have a roll with this club. It looks a well disciplined and well run organisation.See what you can take out of it but if you don't like it don't go back.

[Femme-ma]

I trained with them. About 12 years ago!!!

Back then they used to do a fair bit of ground sparring and had ground fighting competitions at their annual nationals. the ground fighting was very judo based back then and very basic compared to BJJ. A judo guy turned up at the nationals one year and wiped the floor with everyone in the open category. I don't know how they will have evolved since then so it's got to be worth taking a look.

They were also a bunch of kamikaze nutters who were into power throws and big break falling tricks. Quite a few of the people in the club that I went to developed crunchy sounding cartilage around their cervical vertebrae (myself included). One of the people training with us separated two of their ribs from their sternum helping two of the brown belts for their black belt training.

Damn I miss those guys.

Like I said, that was about 12 years ago, so it could be very different now.

[LittleDan]

Hi

I trained with this org a for about 3 years, when i started tapping out the black belts i decided to move on (that was before i learnt bjj), also i don't like the hirachy system going on there ... the higher grades can be quite disrespectful, and this is encouraged but the instructors (they do it too) ..... its difficult to take shit from guys who in ur own mind, if it came down to it.......................... you could beat up

Even the guys who were good at what this style does, i have doubts about.... there are only a hand full of the black belts i respect (in a MA sense) not because of there ability but because they are nice. and only one instructor (out of loads) who i think was a good fighter.

This style of TJJ is better than nothing, but if you are a bjj/mma fighter, it will be a waste of your time and will only teach you bad habits, your better of training on your own and testing your skill on saturday nights down the pub............. lol

The only good things about this style, you learn in the first 2 years the rest is just not practical, you can argue that this is a good base for bjj/mma, but as i said before if u have learnt bjj or mma then don't bother.

Hope this has help u

Cheers

Dan

[wolfpack_mma]

I dont mean to be disrespectful but theyre is a jitsu club in our area , It seems like one of those styles such as aikido ...........almost rehearsed if you get what i mean. I wouldnt reccomend it , everything ive seen them do looks like it wouldnt work to me.

This is the wolverhampton club by the way in the graisley rec centre.

[Rosi]

Used to train with them, for quite a while, back before I started doing MMA.

I have (mostly) fond memories.... but it is probably not what you're looking for if you're into MMA. I believe things have changed a bit in recent years, and I understand there is now a little more emphasis on groundwork and sparring and such... but I believe it's still pretty basic by BJJ standards.

Worth mentioning that, as with most things in life, the instructors are a mixed bag. Some are excellent at teaching what they do (which isn't, by and large, competitive fighting), and most are genuinely nice people when you get past the hierarchy thing, (which I can see would annoy the hell out of a lot of people). There's also a handful that I would avoid like the plague, but I guess that's the case with most organizations.

[LittleDan]

Used to train with them, for quite a while, back before I started doing MMA.

I have (mostly) fond memories.... but it is probably not what you're looking for if you're into MMA. I believe things have changed a bit in recent years, and I understand there is now a little more emphasis on groundwork and sparring and such... but I believe it's still pretty basic by BJJ standards.

Worth mentioning that, as with most things in life, the instructors are a mixed bag. Some are excellent at teaching what they do (which isn't, by and large, competitive fighting), and most are genuinely nice people when you get past the hierarchy thing, (which I can see would annoy the hell out of a lot of people). There's also a handful that I would avoid like the plague, but I guess that's the case with most organizations.

Rosi .... as i Rosi Sexton?.... my friend trained at one of your seminars before, i herd that you used to be with the foundation..... I saw you fight on Bodog.... your awaresome!!!!..... but i feel proper sorry for your opponent who broke her leg .... is she ok now?

[Rosi]

uh, yeah, that's me.... thanks :)

as far as I know, Windy is recovering well (http://www.bodogfight.com/league-news/bodogfight-3/windy-tomomi-recovering/)

[david5]

went to some classes while i was at uni. mostly no resistance throws and crap like that. the 2nd dan BB instructor came to our BJJ class one time, he tapped like roy castle and we never saw him again.

my advice, stay away, find a judo club or something

[Gantz]

There is one of these near Preston university that I go to. They had a pitch up in the fresher week and I asked the guy there if it was Brazilian JJ and he said "No they made that into a ground sport and it's shit, all I do when fighting on the ground is to bite and to scratch" I decided not to bother joining after hearing that.

[dwarfofdoom]

I am and have been trainning with the TJF for five years.

If you are looking to get into cage fighting/mma then you would be better off training elsewhere.

The TJF style is half-way between Aikido and Judo is focused more on self-defence and "art" side of martial arts. We do alot of throwing from weapons and we do no no-gi work at all.

As for the no-resistance thing, they are not training properly (ie they should be resisting) and they are suppposed to be hitting you with knees and elbows before they throw.

The groundfighting has gotten alot better in the Foundation in the past few years however even our best guys would only be high blues/low purples in bjj (and there are only a handful out of the 100s of blackbelts that are any good on the ground).

I would consider myself one of the better newaza guys in London and I am not eve blue belt in bjj.

The hiereachy/politics thing is a pain in the arse but I don't think it is any different to bjj in that respect.

That said I would defo try it out, its alot better than most of the Traditional arts out there.

Yo Little Dan is that you DDT aka "Sexy Boy"

[bigreddog]

Thanks for the feedback guys

[LittleDan]

I am and have been trainning with the TJF for five years.

If you are looking to get into cage fighting/mma then you would be better off training elsewhere.

The TJF style is half-way between Aikido and Judo is focused more on self-defence and "art" side of martial arts. We do alot of throwing from weapons and we do no no-gi work at all.

As for the no-resistance thing, they are not training properly (ie they should be resisting) and they are suppposed to be hitting you with knees and elbows before they throw.

The groundfighting has gotten alot better in the Foundation in the past few years however even our best guys would only be high blues/low purples in bjj (and there are only a handful out of the 100s of blackbelts that are any good on the ground).

I would consider myself one of the better newaza guys in London and I am not eve blue belt in bjj.

The hiereachy/politics thing is a pain in the arse but I don't think it is any different to bjj in that respect.

That said I would defo try it out, its alot better than most of the Traditional arts out there.

Yo Little Dan is that you DDT aka "Sexy Boy"

;) yeah you caught me Fahed .... slagging of the foundation again......lol..... its not all bad i know there are some good guys there ....... but for me the cons out weigh the pros...... hey .... who in the foundation is at purple belt standard (in bjj)? is it Saeed?

Take care

DDT Aka Sexyboy

[J-Sho]

I trained with the TJF from '96 to '03 (Exter and then UCL).

I'd say if you want to do mma or bjj/no-gi, then steer clear, if you want to do a trad ma/self defence want to meet a bunch of nice people/drinking partners and especially if you are a student, then go for it.
There were some try-hards/d*cks, but there are also a lot of cool people who train there as well.

I'm not sure how the groundfighting has progressed but they had introduced the london league which was quite fun, albeit noone was that great.

I'd say when i left there were obviously a number of people who were at the level of/actually were judo black belts but probably only a handful of people who i had seen at the Randori nationals or LGL who were approaching bjj blue belt level (there were obvious exceptions such as Rosi and some of the other dans) and noone near purple belt level. Saeed was supposed to be pretty good (certainly according to himself) but I had never seen him really roll. He didnt compete in the grappling league the first year but did ref it.

At the time i left, Nigel P and I were probably the best tjf newaza guys in london and i certainly wasn't a bjj blue belt as i found out when i turned up at the Budokwai for my first BJJ lesson with Mauricio :D

[LittleDan]

i was training from 2001 to 2004ish at Westminster uni .... top guys but as i said before .... its not for me. Jsho, young man, what be your name? ..... we may have crossed paths.

Nigel P and others like him are the reason i left TJF, very disrespectful...... he may be good, but a good guy he is not.... his wifes a nice lady tho.... don't know how that happened.

[dwarfofdoom]

Not really the appropriate forum to say who would be what in BJJ, but there are some good guys in the TJF. Certainly a few of blue belt level guys. I think Simon B is certainly (as far as I cab tell) near purple belt.

I think its highly likely that Jsho may have actually fought Simon ly (big chinese guy)at ULU at the 2005 semis finals winning via decision.

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[J-Sho]

No, i had gone by early 2004, i lost to him by decision in 2003 tho, Saeed said my doing BJJ was an unfair advantage and since i didnt sub him, didnt deserve to win by points, lol, my winning streak was at an end.

Now i think of the dates, i was a TJF purple when i left, got to bjj blue in nov 03, won the brown belt division at the march '04 randori nationals (subbing a number of guys including your club instructor Will iirc). Then beat Gareth Horgan in a club match, then drew with Nigel at the league finals.

Was fun but since i didn't enjoy the tma bits of tjf any more, i left to focus on BJJ.

[david5]

from what i saw of the newaza comps the tjf held, if anyone was near purple level it's because they train in bjj lol

[LittleDan]

No, i had gone by early 2004, i lost to him by decision in 2003 tho, Saeed said my doing BJJ was an unfair advantage and since i didnt sub him, didnt deserve to win by points, lol, my winning streak was at an end.

Now i think of the dates, i was a TJF purple when i left, got to bjj blue in nov 03, won the brown belt division at the march '04 randori nationals (subbing a number of guys including your club instructor Will iirc). Then beat Gareth Horgan in a club match, then drew with Nigel at the league finals.

Was fun but since i didn't enjoy the tma bits of tjf any more, i left to focus on BJJ.

Which won is Simon B is that the long haired karate guy?

Jsho, sure i must have seen you somewhere, i think i might have fought one of the ucl guys oin that day.