View Full Version : Ingredients of a fighter?
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 07:35 AM
Training with some of the guys fighting on QFC 2 at the end of the month and we were talking about heart and how important it is. Led me to start thinkg about what ingredients you need to be a fighter....
Heart 50%
Cardio 40%
Strength and flexibility 10%
Skill 10%
What do you think makes a fighter?
dirty dick
06-09-2007, 08:24 AM
Skill - 50
Courage/heart/determination 20%
Cardio 10%
Strength and Flexibility 10%
Having the ability to be in control of emotions yet still be able to be fucking mental 10%
graham cooke
06-09-2007, 08:59 AM
cardio > heart imo
if you havnt got the cardio to back it up, having heart doesnt really mean a whole lot.
Also dirty dicks point "Having the ability to be in control of emotions yet still be able to be fucking mental 10%" rings true for me. Have never considered myself a "fighter" but i've had a few goes (with not a lot of success :D). One of the things i've always lacked is aggression and i think CONTROLLED aggression is VERY important for a fighter in MMA. The ability to flick that switch in your mind and really let it all hang it out in the cage is a difficult skill - certainly for me it was anyway.
RichH1
06-09-2007, 09:28 AM
i think skill is more important than heart, when skill levels are closer then heart comes into it a lot more, but if im a lot more skilled than the other guy he can have as much heart as he wants but ill still bang him out
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 10:22 AM
But surely it doesn't matter how much heart you have, if you tap our or fall apart the minute the going gets tough?
People think of a fighter who fights an opponent, when actually there is another fight taking place, which is fighting the urge to give up as it's to hard, to painful, to embarassing, whatever.
By the way, I'm not saying I'm right.... it was just something I was thinking about this morning
Brett
06-09-2007, 11:05 AM
Training with some of the guys fighting on QFC 2 at the end of the month and we were talking about heart and how important it is. Led me to start thinkg about what ingredients you need to be a fighter....
Heart 50%
Cardio 40%
Strength and flexibility 10%
Skill 10%
What do you think makes a fighter?
I reckon your fighter would have a good chance as he has manged to get 110%:) :D
anyway, i'd say:
50% Skill
35% Cardio
10% Guts/Heart/Aggression
5% Strength
David Butlin
06-09-2007, 11:08 AM
Heart is what being a fighter is all about. You have it or you dont. It cant be measured in percentages imo. Gameness and the will to win is in you or it isnt. You can help people feel it and improve it to a certain extent but the fact is some people are fighters and some people want other people to think they are fighters.
Cardio 40%
Skill 40%
Flexibility 10%
Strength 10%
The last three dont matter a toss when cardio goes!
Whats this control shit your all talking about????
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 11:10 AM
I reckon your fighter would have a good chance as he has manged to get 110%:) :D
Thats how we train em up here :p
It's really interesting how peoples perception differ, not sure what I was expecting, but I thought people would have similar views. It's intresting how much people value different aspects.
marc goddard
06-09-2007, 11:14 AM
99% jiu jitsu
1% strength [ we all know strength is not needed ]
why all the discussion peeps ? fighting IS zoooo zitsuuuuu !
widge milward
06-09-2007, 11:16 AM
heart is certainly one of the most important factors, you could be a killing machine who has cardio for days, but you could take a few big shots and bitch out.
IMO
Cardio - 35%
Heart - 30%
Skill - 15%
Strength - 15%
Aggression - 5%
lol i try and be serious for once instead of posting shit, and goddard comes up with something like that.
But Marc you also need Aura in there
David Butlin
06-09-2007, 11:17 AM
Just to add I didnt mention commitment and determination. The will to do that one more round when your head and body says you cant. And turning up to train instead when the excuses could creep up. These again I think arent ingredients of a fighter but essentials. If you dont have them your not a fighter.
D
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 11:17 AM
Heart is what being a fighter is all about. You have it or you dont. It cant be measured in percentages imo. Gameness and the will to win is in you or it isnt. You can help people feel it and improve it to a certain extent but the fact is some people are fighters and some people want other people to think they are fighters.
Cardio 40%
Skill 40%
Flexibility 10%
Strength 10%
The last three dont matter a toss when cardio goes!
Whats this control shit your all talking about????
Interesting, I think thats how I feel about it. If you don't have heart, then no matter how muich skill, cardio or anything you have, you're on a loosing streak.
For me, heart and Cardio can make up for considerable lacks in skill and strength
widge milward
06-09-2007, 11:39 AM
If you don't have heart, then no matter how muich skill, cardio or anything you have, you're on a loosing streak.
after reading D's post id say heart and commitment.
you could have all the skill in the world but if you cant get yourself to training week in week out your fucked (lol sounds very familiar)
lol at trying to put numbers on it.
Which is more important to an aeroplane - the wings, the engine or the controls? In percentages, please :p
Alex Gold
06-09-2007, 01:17 PM
Wings - gliders don't have engines and they do ok, and there's not much to hit in the air so controls are certainly less important than the wings.:cool:
Berikson
06-09-2007, 01:18 PM
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Wings - gliders don't have engines and they do ok, and there's not much to hit in the air so controls are certainly less important than the wings.:cool:
lol, whatever :cool:
Commitment is THE most important thing you need to be a fighter IMO.
I have none which is why I now tell everyone Im a combat sports enthusiast!!!
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 02:06 PM
lol at trying to put numbers on it.
Which is more important to an aeroplane - the wings, the engine or the controls? In percentages, please :p
er... fuck off! It's just a bit of fun.
MMA Girl
06-09-2007, 02:35 PM
Commitment is THE most important thing you need to be a fighter IMO.
I think heart is just as if not more important... You can train 24/7 but if you bottle it when you get in there, the time and effort you put in is worthless. I couldn't start to put percentages on it though...
lol at Rosi! :D
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 03:03 PM
I shouldn't of expected anything else from a Doctor of Mathematics though really.... soon as I mentioned percentages, she was bound to get all excited and get involved :rolleyes:
I value both Heart and Commitment, with these two in place, you are open to work on skills, strength, cardio, etc, knowing yoh have the essential foundations.
100% heart makes the perfect fighter. Why? >>>>
When you have 100% heart, you will work hard on your skill, strength, and cardio. and when you're in the bout putting these to use, you won't defeat yourself in your mind (give up/doubt yourself) as you will soldier on to win until the judge decides, someone is KOed or tapped.
Some say you either have heart or you don't. I'm undecided about that, because the more training I had and the more I got hit, the less it would bother me, the more determination I executed. No?
I shouldn't of expected anything else from a Doctor of Mathematics though really.... soon as I mentioned percentages, she was bound to get all excited and get involved :rolleyes:
I value both Heart and Commitment, with these two in place, you are open to work on skills, strength, cardio, etc, knowing yoh have the essential foundations.
lol
You have a good point, although I also believe that attitude isn't a substitute for competence. All heart and no skill will get you f*cked up just as much as the other way round.
ReD_mIst
06-09-2007, 04:08 PM
Rosi, I agree... there's nothing funnier than ballsey guys with no skill, swinging for the fences.
But as Ali states the heart and commitment, should make you work on the skills, etc
boxingbrit
06-09-2007, 04:10 PM
Theres nothing better than watching too game dogs/ fighters with good fitness and limited skills going at it.
But as Ali states the heart and commitment, should make you work on the skills, etc
I can think of fighters who seem to have plenty of heart and commitment, but don't seem to be smart enough to improve much.....
hong kong phooey
06-09-2007, 09:15 PM
100% pure raw talent
theassasin
06-09-2007, 10:46 PM
Just to add I didnt mention commitment and determination. The will to do that one more round when your head and body says you cant. And turning up to train instead when the excuses could creep up. These again I think arent ingredients of a fighter but essentials. If you dont have them your not a fighter.
D
will over skill baby!!!
Leesin
06-09-2007, 11:13 PM
Well i would certainly say a couple arms and legs, eyes are also good, definately need a heart.
But yeah i think Good Genetics, Smart learner, Raw talent with a good heart makes a good fighter, heart only goes so far though, i can think of some situations where fighters have been trapped, too tired to even try escape and eating endless punches until there face looks like a bad day in bosnia (punches that are damaging but just not finishing), with no hope of escaping and realising it by that point, i see it only as stupidity not to submit and that wouldn't make you any less a fighter.
A good teacher/instructor/coach?
Welsh_Dragon
07-09-2007, 05:53 AM
50% Weetabix
50% Shredded Wheat
heart only goes so far though, i can think of some situations where fighters have been trapped, too tired to even try escape and eating endless punches until there face looks like a bad day in bosnia (punches that are damaging but just not finishing), with no hope of escaping and realising it by that point, i see it only as stupidity not to submit and that wouldn't make you any less a fighter.
As soon as you start thinking that getting hit and being "too tired to try and escape" is a good enough reason to quit, you'll never fight to your potential, IMO.
The thought of being in that situation should motivate you to train your ass off in the gym so that you don't end up there.... if you get into a mindset of "oh, it's ok, i can just tap, no big deal" then you won't go through the all the pain and frustration in training that will make you a good fighter.
David Butlin
07-09-2007, 10:38 AM
In a bad position you shouldnt be thinking cant you should be thinking 'im gonna fuck you up in a minute!' And your corner should be telling you the same. Some corners could be a little more sympathetic though :P
nomad
07-09-2007, 10:41 AM
desire/heart % 20
cardio % 40
strength % 5
skill % 20
fight intelligence/plan % 14
biased judging/dodgy ref/being a cockney % 1
A good teacher/instructor/coach?
If we all agree on what makes a good fighter, we can move on to the bigger picture, as Tez so rightly pointed out:
To be a good fighter you need the following:
A good coach/instructor/teacher,
A good student.
You guys can do the percentages, I hate maths, but have a profound respect towards those who are good at it ;)
I'm with Ali, I hate figures!
This is very similiar to what makes a special forces soldier, hundreds apply to join the SAS, they are all fit, can run miles carrying heavy packs etc but the ones that succeed in passing selection ( only a few out of those hundreds) have something in their heads (hearts?) that makes them different. As with the fighters it's not just about fitness or techniques there's something more there. Determination, sheer bloodymindedness, self motivation, ego? any or all of these perhaps? Warrior spirit?
Determination, sheer bloodymindedness, self motivation, ego? any or all of these perhaps? Warrior spirit?
The warrior spirit, ah yes. What is this spirit? I'm more with this than the rest as a true warrior controls thier ego, bloodymindedness and savagery. A true warrior is ... discuss?
Berikson
07-09-2007, 01:37 PM
As soon as you start thinking that getting hit and being "too tired to try and escape" is a good enough reason to quit, you'll never fight to your potential, IMO.
The thought of being in that situation should motivate you to train your ass off in the gym so that you don't end up there.... if you get into a mindset of "oh, it's ok, i can just tap, no big deal" then you won't go through the all the pain and frustration in training that will make you a good fighter.
Heart + Spirit = Drive (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7t6Rpmuses)
Surely heart and commitment are the same thing?
ReD_mIst
07-09-2007, 02:29 PM
Some corners could be a little more sympathetic though :P
Some fighters shouldn't come look for sympathy when their feeling a little tired :D
I think Heart and Commitment are different. For example, I can be commited to coming to the gym every week and learning new skills, but I may not have the heart to do the 9th round of 3 minute sprawl brawl and be looking for an excuse to avoid..... and perhaps drill arm bars for a few minutes?
widge milward
07-09-2007, 02:41 PM
Surely heart and commitment are the same thing?
i agree with Aaron.
you could go training like clock work, and not miss any session, but in the 14th minute of a fight when your tired, stacked against the cage taking elbows, if you dont have heart you'll tap
I see what your saying maybe I should of put it a little differently as being commited to training and being commited to winning are totally different things, if your commited to winning then you will do that extra round and you will push that little bit harder. If you are truly commited to winning and being the best you can be then surely that is the same thing as having heart?
For example its the last minute of the final round your knackered you can barely keep your hands up, but your desire and commitment to win just plain and simply win push you through to the final bell, would that not be the same thing as heart?
Duchman
07-09-2007, 03:26 PM
50% pot smoking (nick diaz, Bj Penn, Minotauro, Mike Tyson loads brazilian fighter i hAve sharred some fine weed with.)
25% Skill
25% Cardio.
hearth is overrated, skills will make up for hearth.
george
09-09-2007, 04:09 PM
heart you cant work on all the others like commitment and skill/technique cardio etc you can.youre born with it or not.
so is heart not more important as you can always train to the maximum for the others? just a thought.
willow
11-09-2007, 09:31 PM
If you don't have heart then you're f**ked! What else will pump the blood around?
George pm me if you get chance
Ian
hardhead
11-09-2007, 11:51 PM
imo its all mental, the training, running sparring circuits etc mentally prepares you to do battle you know youve trained harder than your opponent and you deserve to win
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Fighter? Add some coconuts!
50% pot smoking (nick diaz, Bj Penn, Minotauro, Mike Tyson loads brazilian fighter i hAve sharred some fine weed with.)
25% Skill
25% Cardio.
hearth is overrated, skills will make up for hearth.
Dont forget the hawaiian mushrooms!
Gorilla
12-09-2007, 12:14 PM
Please don't forget the Bananas - great energy source.
Al Wallace
12-09-2007, 12:56 PM
Dont forget the hawaiian mushrooms!
Hawaiian mushrooms! If only you could still buy them over the counter...
tinerrz
12-09-2007, 06:59 PM
Wings - gliders don't have engines and they do ok, and there's not much to hit in the air so controls are certainly less important than the wings.
FANTASTIC!!!....had me in stitches! :D :) :D
DanCrase
13-09-2007, 05:26 PM
50% - Power
50% - Arrogance
That's me, lad
Naruto
13-09-2007, 07:38 PM
Emotional composure + motion = alchemy :D
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