legal in judo?

[Hywel Teague]

I'm not sure, is it legal to take someone to the floor with a choke as demo'd in this vid? I thought you had to attempt a takedown to enter newaza, but my knowledge of judo rules are rusty

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GODx6MjIM

[dirty dick]

Looks legal enough as you are not throwing with a strangle on. However it looks as if you would be dragging to the ground so would receive a shido unless looking to score from you sacrificing yourself.
Grips look too poor for judo though

[J-Sho]

Wouldn't it be considered Hikikomi, which i thought is only legal in Kosen style (and BJJ, which is the same thing ;) )

I think it would be precluded under the IJF rule about falling to the mat?

[wagon]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2527746028152356520&q=bjj

is this legal?

[Duchman]

seems a bit of a shit move.

[Hywel Teague]

Ha tell these guys

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kqgkk-54QrY&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bDiGAHKGoKY&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4SS453j88&feature=related

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=I7o901FB3D4

[dirty dick]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2527746028152356520&q=bjj

is this legal?
not legal, you need an opponents arm betwen your legs to be legal

[dirty dick]

Wouldn't it be considered Hikikomi, which i thought is only legal in Kosen style (and BJJ, which is the same thing ;) )

I think it would be precluded under the IJF rule about falling to the mat?

i agree, unless you can get a scoring throw from it

[fishface]

Keith Owen is showing a move on his DVD of favourite BJJ moves - NOT Judo favourite moves :D

Whether or not this move is legal in Judo is another thing entirely- his DVD is about his favourite moves.

In BJJ :D

Please read the label :rolleyes:

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[Hywel Teague]

And your contribution to answering my question was what exactly?

I fail to see what you've achieved other than appear facetious, as I did not ask where the video came from, who made it or how he felt about the moves demonstrated.

[fishface]

Yes you did hywel, you started the thread by asking would this move be legal in Judo, when in fact this DVD is centred around BJJ not Judo - if you have watched the dvd, does Mr Owen say 'these are my favourite moves I use in Judo?' He is not saying 'use this sub in a Judo match' is he?? It's one of his fave moves he uses when training in BJJ!!!!!!

Close but no cigar.

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[Phillkwondo]

Once again mr fishface, hywel did not say it was a judo move, he just asked if it would br legal in judo. Either way it looks pretty rubish, but works well:D

[fishface]

It looks pretty rubbish but works well, make ya mind up :D

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[Phillkwondo]

haha, I have made up my mind. doesn't look spectacular, but the guys went to sleep lol

[fishface]

Lol

OK matey go on and criticise a Pedro Sauer black belt, what does he know??


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[dirty dick]

Carl, what are you on about? Hywell presumably saw a bit of BJJ and thought that it could be implemented into his judo. He rightly questioned the legality (it is "illegal" but could be adapted for it not to be). And then you state it is a BJJ video not judo so the question is pointless.
Secondly the move does look a bit shit, however it doesnt matter how shit something looks, it matters how effective it is.

[fishface]

It is a pretty effective move but I prefer using the opponent's own collar from the knee ride position to do the baseball bat style choke.


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[Hywel Teague]

Carl, what are you on about? Hywel presumably saw a bit of BJJ and thought that it could be implemented into his judo.
Exactly. And I asked myself the same question.

[J-Sho]

There's only one way to settle this...


FIGHT!!!

http://www.swanseafringe.com/images/performers/harry_hill.jpg

[boxingbrit]

Hywel is busy preparing for his battle with Red_Mist, Carl will have to wait.

[dirty dick]

It is a pretty effective move but I prefer using the opponent's own collar from the knee ride position to do the baseball bat style choke.


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what has that got to do with judo?

[fishface]

Unless you aren't allowed to choke your opponent with his own collar in Judo, then probably not much :) I haven't done a Judo grading for a few years, can you use their own collar to choke them with Chris??

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[dirty dick]

yes you can. Are you trying to be clever or smart with me carl?????

[fishface]

What gave u that impression?

You asked me what has doing the choke from knee ride got to do with Judo, so I thought u couldn't choke with their own collar, so I thought I'd ask you.

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[J-Sho]

Hywel is busy preparing for his battle with Red_Mist, Carl will have to wait.

maybe Chris will stand in for Hywel in the meantime :D

[dirty dick]

Earlier on in the thread carl you were implying that this move is solely for BJJ (exactly what it says on the tin) then you place it into a judo context, you then wonder why I get frustrated,.

[boxingbrit]

The forum fight card is certainly heating up.

[J-Sho]

The forum fight card is certainly heating up.

and freely occuring too, needing only the lowest setting on the kenwood :confused:

[jcraig80]

I'm not sure, is it legal to take someone to the floor with a choke as demo'd in this vid? I thought you had to attempt a takedown to enter newaza, but my knowledge of judo rules are rusty

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=j6GODx6MjIM

Sorry only just seen this. Officially it is illegal to judt draw some1 into groundwork without any attempt to throw; therefore if you were repeatedly attempting it at the speed shown in the demo then it would be obvious and you would most likely be penalised.

On a 1 off done with speed and/or disguised as a kind of sumi-gaeshi or yoko-tomoe-nage then there is no reason that it wouldn't be allowed; this type of thing happens all the time and many good groundwork players have their own tricks to get the guy on the deck without having to engage standing up.

Some serious bragging rights if you catch some1 with that; it looks shit but on the same token the competition video shows plenty of people tapping with it!

[John Hopton]

I see Ian B has rediscovered his talent for shit-stirring :D

[bean]

I'd say something witty to compliment that John but he might beat me up in sparring ;o)

[boxingbrit]

'might'?

;)

[Duchman]

since slegde is scared about me (confirmed). Maybe fishface can fight Dirty duck in place.

Gi or No Gi, point or no point, nhb i dont care - wallid ismael

[jasper]

My old training mates used this on gi ground flighting competitions for years with plenty of knock-outs, this was taught by a uk sport jj member who trained with smiler (cant remember his name)

just remembered it was Paul Grant

[bean]

'might'?

;)

Haha! The might part is i'd have to turn up for training in the first place! :D