Have you seen what Wand is up to with his conditioning?

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

http://www.fightcoverage.com/main_page/movies_jpegs/mainarticle5-6.gif

Shows a little bit of his "hypoxia" style of training (as seen on All Access) where he does his entire workout breathing only through a snorkel.
go here >>> http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.video

Scroll down and click on the pic

[West Fight Company]

Thats awesome, open up those lungs Wand!

[K3YM4N6]

surely thats no good though as he breaths through his mouth when he fights??? just an idea like

sounds good in theory just seems wierd as like i said fighters breath through their nose unless ya gasses

[West Fight Company]

surely thats no good though as he breaths through his mouth when he fights??? just an idea like

sounds good in theory just seems wierd as like i said fighters breath through their nose unless ya gasses

Don't know how that effects the results of the training? I would have thought it will increase lung capacity regardless, I see what you're getting at though.

Do they make nose snorkels?

[Alex Gold]

Gimmick...

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

^^ seriously? Does it have no effect?

[Alex Gold]

What effect do you think it would have?

Also, how often do you think he does it?

[West Fight Company]

What effect do you think it would have?

Also, how often do you think he does it?

I would say it makes your inspiratory muscles work harder - thereby increasing their strength and endurance.

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

What effect do you think it would have?

I get the impression you're inviting me to say something you will disagree with lol

[Alex Gold]

I would say it makes your inspiratory muscles work harder - thereby increasing their strength and endurance.

Is the strength of your respiratory muscles a limiting factor then?

[West Fight Company]

Is the strength of your respiratory muscles a limiting factor then?

Why dont you just say what your gonna say instead of asking questions about it. You think its a gimmick ok, i think it would help with lung capacity if resistance is added to breathing. Now your go...... Stop fannying about.

[Alex Gold]

I've said what I'm going to say - it's a gimmick, it's a waste of time, it's something to be done once for the cameras so people think, 'Wow, his training is so futuristic!'

If anyone knows of any actual benefits to it I'm all ears, until then I don't think I'll bother passing the scuba shop on my way to the gym.

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

Fair enough, maybe he just does it for the cameras.

But still, maybe difficult training doesn't necessarily mean effective training - but look at what he's doing with limited air. That's very hard to do. Can't help but think it would be effective in some way.

[HarryHill]

Don't the marines a similar idea with the Power Breather? Restricting your breath to make your respiratory system more efficient?

[ocuana]

I thought (regardless of the lung benefit) that it would allow him to get used to the idea of being out of breath. Like working out in your reserve tank.

However, I am more hardcore than he as I have decided to limit myself only to a MacDonalds straw... (with the milkshake.. ssshh)

[West Fight Company]

Get extra air.


Take a piece of pipe with a diameter small enough to put into your mouth without hurting your jaw. It should, however, make you open your mouth wide- about as wide as an average yawn. Length-wise, the pipe should not be long at all. It should be maybe half an inch long- it's not the length you're looking for, but the width.
Put the pipe in your mouth. (Do be sure it's sanitary and clean)
Breathe. Do so very carefully, though, because if you breathe too quickly, you will become lightheaded. Do this for a little while every day, and you will soon realize that you are able to take longer and longer breaths without becoming lightheaded. If you do this often enough, you should be able to take very deep, full breaths and be perfectly fine. This works because your body is becoming more adjusted to receiving more oxygen with every breath, because, obviously, you don't breathe like you are yawning all the time.

The full article - http://www.wikihow.com/Increase-Your-Lung-Capacity

[matt@westfightcompany]

If you can find the ufc all access that was done before Wands fight with Chuck they talk about the snorkel being used to fatigue him by restricting the amount of oxygen he can draw with each breath. I would imagine it would feel similar to training at altitude?

The problem I see with it is that you don't fight with a snorkel on, so there's not much point being good at training with a snorkel on! In this case I would think the benefit might be that as he is already very well conditioned and may struggle to improve conditioning/whatever energy system he is trying to train, as he can already sustain a very high work rate for long periods. Using the snorkel might let him get into a fatigued state faster but train for longer in that condition.

Just my two pence worth! Anyway, didn't help much against Chuck, not a snorkel in sight!

[theedgemc]

I believe that uk atheletics council has been experimenting with lung capacity/ strengthening for years, and it is a proved technique. there was a good article about olympic rowers, cyclists and track stars all trining in new breathing lung strengthening techniques i'll see if i can find it.

[Dylan Tanner]

Is the strength of your respiratory muscles a limiting factor then?

possibly, thats the science behind powerbreath also

[darthcrab]

I thought they explained it well in the vid... doesnt it just make him get to the point of later rounds very quick so he can train with retricted air and make his workout more intense, thus making him very very fit, so he wont gas out after a round?
to say it didnt work against chuck is silly, he didnt gas, he was out faught.. chuck looked tired. wandy just looked beaten up

[matt@westfightcompany]

I thought they explained it well in the vid... doesnt it just make him get to the point of later rounds very quick so he can train with retricted air and make his workout more intense, thus making him very very fit, so he wont gas out after a round?
to say it didnt work against chuck is silly, he didnt gas, he was out faught.. chuck looked tired. wandy just looked beaten up

I wouldn't say it was a silly thing to say it didn't work (but then I did say it! ). I don't think he looked any less tired than Sherk/GSP/Guida/Forrest etc (or any of the other fighters) ,who put a focus on conditioning, at the end of that fight. They don't use a snorkel to train as far as I know.

I'm not knocking the idea (don't know enough about it), it just didn't appear to me that, if that was the main way he was training, it made a significant difference to his condition. to be fair to Wand he probably wouldn't lay down even if he had the thing on in there. Plus, doesn't Chuck always look tired? ;)

[Cheets]

Im not sure about this all in all - this type of training has been tried a few times over the past 20 years or so - Not sure why people were latching on to the breath training thing, as this has a lot more to do with metabolic conditioning than anything else.

Not 100% sure about the rationale behind this particular example as I know its actually states that it increases the lactate production in an increase increase the intensity - this is a bit wrong in my opinion that doesn't mean the training is useless....

Originally the idea was to induce hypoxia in an attempt to help to lower lactate prod during aerobic exercise this is based on a concept termed the 'lactate paradox' this situation is observed when people have acclimated to hypoxic conditions (usually at high altitudes). Essentially the greater the degree of hypoxia experinced and apdapted to - the lower the 'during' and post-exercise lactate levels observed on any given exercise protocol.

Although still a hugely controversial and poorly understood topic - experts have kind of accepted that the high altitude isn't the trigger for this adaptation - although its been suggested for a while. So this is usually the idea behind such training tricks not as originally stated as in the video - whether its effective is still anyones guess -but the phenomena itself solid even if the mechanism need some work.

[Jamie Taylor]

Wouldn't training with a peg on your nose bring about a similar effect ? lol

[Cheets]

Wouldn't training with a peg on your nose bring about a similar effect ? lol

True but if Wand started doing that it'd be called a nasal restrictor and it'd cost £20

[Sports-Select.co.uk]

Wouldn't training with a peg on your nose bring about a similar effect ? lol

That would get his jaw smashed.

[Jamie Taylor]

That would get his jaw smashed.

:confused: How is hitting pads, running, cycling etc with a peg on your nose likely to get your jaw smashed ? Surely when he fights he will breathe through his conk again ?

[Sports-Select.co.uk]

Exactly the same way training with your guard down would get your jaw smashed...you do what you've learned.

[LewisJ]

UK athletis and british triathalon are currently using something that is meant to produce the same effect as the powerbreath, but is a tight vest that is ment to make it hard to breath in/ out. If there is any benefit to this type of respirtory training then this would be far more practical for use during mma training. They'll be released for general sale after the olympics.

[Alex Gold]

Wouldn't wrapping yourself in theraband do the trick?

(It'd also cause you to sweat....a lot)

[Jamie Taylor]

Exactly the same way training with your guard down would get your jaw smashed...you do what you've learned.

Errrr...No, he was wearing that stupid snorkel thing and breathing through his mouth only during training sessions. I'm sure when he fought chuck he went back to his regular breathing. As a pro fighter it is surely embedded in your head to bite down on your gumshield and breathe through your nose to the point where you are gassed and need more oxygen. A few weeks wearing a peg / snorkel or whatever won't change that unless your a complete noob.

[K3YM4N6]

those vest sounds better, becuase still breath through ur nose just alot harder, sounds good:)

lets see if it does anything.
ironic if he gasses now he tries it

[fightingfan]

My whole take on this thread is this :

If someone attaches a cannonball to your leg and says "Now go run up that hill"....will this make you better and faster after you remove it?

Just my 2 cents worth.

[HarryHill]

Dunno will it? ^^^
It may chaff your ankle a bit though!!