Butterfly Guard in MMA

[widge milward]

When im just sub grappling i use it most of the time as it seems to open up more options like leg locks, taking the back, sweeps etc but for MMA i dont seem to use it as much for some reason,

How many people use it to effect in MMA and what differences do you make to your guard?

Any hints / tips / advice would be great.

[steve_langford]

Ive been working butterfly ALOT recently. Like you said it opens up alot of things.

I shall have to visit the collseum one day and get my arse handed to me :D

[David Butlin]

I think its really good for like you say opening up subs, sweeps, standups. We are working it atm. I also think its good for mma but you have to be confident with it.

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[widge milward]

D, for MMA do you thing it is just confidence? as obviously there is the greater risk of being blasted upside your head.

[Duchman]

When im just sub grappling i use it most of the time as it seems to open up more options like leg locks, taking the back, sweeps etc but for MMA i dont seem to use it as much for some reason,

How many people use it to effect in MMA and what differences do you make to your guard?

Any hints / tips / advice would be great.

Butterfly guard is a great position. But i dont think a lot of people like to use it, cause most of the sweep are from over/under control. So there is always some space for striking. Maybe not even that effective but a lot of people dont like to get hit.
In mma the butterfly guard needs to be like a attack on a street corner. YOu just hit it, and keep going. Fuck his base, sweep, keep going

I think, because 'rape position' being on your back with butterfly hooks, is a bad position for mma. Hardly any people are effective flat on there back with a butterfly guard. Your guard is your knees and if you are flattened out its cause easy to get past one of the knees.
Its much easier to be 'safe' cross you ankles around his back and play the closed guard game.
One of the few people i have seen excelent from there backs flattend out with butterfly hooks, even if it was grappling. Was JJ machado.

Btw, since im not a black belt dont take this post to serious. I might not be right.

[steve_langford]

when ever im 'butt scooting' towards a higher grade they tend to just pick my feet up and kind of smash pass me :( Its really hard to stay strong when they do that!

I tend to backward roll then shoot forward in a kind of double leg stylie...

damn! how hard is to explain a 'technique' on the tinternet!

[David Butlin]

D, for MMA do you thing it is just confidence? as obviously there is the greater risk of being blasted upside your head.

But dont you find that people give space, base away etc when they start trying to hit you? Making sweeps and escapes easier. I have been made to feel helpless from top butterfly. I do think grips and your body position are the key points. Cant be arsed typing an essay. You know where we train, would be good to see you do some training!!!

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[David Butlin]

Also as Nigel Benn used to say, if you have to take a shot to then get two back its all good. Id take 1 of yours for 2 of mine :-P

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[widge milward]

if you have to take a shot to then get two back its all good. Id take 1 of yours for 2 of mine :-P



No thanks, i think ill pass on that :p

[Duchman]

Isnt every guard a case off messing with his base and keep him defending ? if its spider gi, or closed guard nogi. If you dont ty him up, breakj his base. Any guard is g and p city.

[Rob T]

Butterfly guard is a great position. But i dont think a lot of people like to use it, cause most of the sweep are from over/under control. So there is always some space for striking. Maybe not even that effective but a lot of people dont like to get hit.
In mma the butterfly guard needs to be like a attack on a street corner. YOu just hit it, and keep going. Fuck his base, sweep, keep going

I think, because 'rape position' being on your back with butterfly hooks, is a bad position for mma. Hardly any people are effective flat on there back with a butterfly guard. Your guard is your knees and if you are flattened out its cause easy to get past one of the knees.
Its much easier to be 'safe' cross you ankles around his back and play the closed guard game.
One of the few people i have seen excelent from there backs flattend out with butterfly hooks, even if it was grappling. Was JJ machado.

Btw, since im not a black belt dont take this post to serious. I might not be right.

I think that is spot on mate.

[Rob T]

when ever im 'butt scooting' towards a higher grade they tend to just pick my feet up and kind of smash pass me :( Its really hard to stay strong when they do that!

I tend to backward roll then shoot forward in a kind of double leg stylie...

damn! how hard is to explain a 'technique' on the tinternet!

You are probably leading with your legs. Your head should be in front of your ass... if they try to grab your feet you have to beat them to it and grip their sleeve/arm.

[Duchman]

You are probably leading with your legs. Your head should be in front of your ass... if they try to grab your feet you have to beat them to it and grip their sleeve/arm.

True that.
I think part off the problem is, that most of uss if not all learn the bjj stand up/keep him away kick.. And than get owned by higher people who just control the legs.

[steve_langford]

I generaly scoot forward with one hip down and leaning forward. Rob Stevens smashes right through me everytime!

[Rob T]

Rob Stevens smashes right through me everytime!

Nothing anyone can tell you is going to stop that any time soon mate!!

[david5]

head and hands first, watch marcello keep his heels so near his arse when he scoots.

p.s. i love butterfly guard

[Leigh]

all guards can be used. the difference with no head shots is that in mma, you have to either clinch or keep moving - you can't fuck about just laying there

[steve_langford]

Nothing anyone can tell you is going to stop that any time soon mate!!

tell me about it :p

[MikeyL]

Isnt every guard a case off messing with his base and keep him defending ? if its spider gi, or closed guard nogi. If you dont ty him up, breakj his base. Any guard is g and p city.

Word........

[Creely]

butterfly i use alot in mma training more than bjj (gi/nogi) it seem to unsetle the oponant testing there base etc wroks awsome with one over one under they seem to continue hitting your ribs alot on the one over but once i scoot out i seem to get half way to the back 50/50 then it's a fight for the back or sweep to therehalf guard

this threed just reminded me to use it more lol:)

[Scott]

this threed just reminded me to use it more lol:)

Great. Just great :rolleyes:

[bigleeroy1]

Butterfly guard is a great position. But i dont think a lot of people like to use it, cause most of the sweep are from over/under control. So there is always some space for striking. Maybe not even that effective but a lot of people dont like to get hit.
In mma the butterfly guard needs to be like a attack on a street corner. YOu just hit it, and keep going. Fuck his base, sweep, keep going

I think, because 'rape position' being on your back with butterfly hooks, is a bad position for mma. Hardly any people are effective flat on there back with a butterfly guard. Your guard is your knees and if you are flattened out its cause easy to get past one of the knees.
Its much easier to be 'safe' cross you ankles around his back and play the closed guard game.
One of the few people i have seen excelent from there backs flattend out with butterfly hooks, even if it was grappling. Was JJ machado.

Btw, since im not a black belt dont take this post to serious. I might not be right.

fucking hell dutch i didnt think you had it in you good post mate

[Duchman]

Im respected by the big show

[Kaan Sencer]

I have started using butterfly a lot in classes, atm im sparring bigger heavier guys and i am starting to get more success with a more strong underhook, I think the sweep is good for heavier guys, triangles can be more sneaky with butterfly hooks as well all in all i would say it is becoming my new closed gaurd

[david5]

as duch and leigh said, loose guard is bad guard and bad guard = pain city

[Kaan Sencer]

as duch and leigh said, loose guard is bad guard and bad guard = pain city

pain city as in getting stacked hideously or just in general?

i wouldnt say a loose gaurd is bad as long as you keep it fluid

[Rob T]

Fluid is good. Loose is not fluid. Loose is bad.

[Creely]

Fluid is good. Loose is not fluid. Loose is bad.

lose when punches is involved is bad very bad

[Duchman]

Even with out poenches, you dont want him to control ankles etc.