Arrebentaçao

[jonbroster]

Hi,

Does anyone know what the Carlson Gracie motto Arrebentaçao means?

It always kind of reminds me of Speedy Gonzales' :"¡Ándale! ¡Ándale! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba!"

Just curious.

Jon

[Rob T]

http://dictionary.reverso.net/portuguese-english/arrebenta%C3%A7%C3%A3o

[steve_langford]

surf ?!?!

???

[Rob T]

It might be the equivalent of "surfs up" or something?

[Simon Hayes]

I don't believe the word is a motto,
I understood it to be a clothing company
owned by a good friend of Carlson,that
also used to sponsor the Carlson Gracie Team.

I could be wrong though.

[Rob T]

When I googled it, there did seem to be a clothing brand named that.

[J-Sho]

Arrebentaçao in this context means destruction or armageddon. it was the clothing sponsor for the 'Carlson Gracie Arrebentaçao Team'

It comes from the verb Arrebentar, which means to break and has several contexts, including to snap, explode or destroy (as well as 'breaking' of waves).

As Carlson Sr himself states in an interview to Tatame magazine (also on the CGJJ site (http://www.carlsongracie.org/carlson.php))


T To finish this, talk about your sponsors for us?

CG Look, I have my sponsor here by my side. Which is my friend, and I don't trade him for anyone. He's Julio from Arrebentacao. He's a very good sponsor. There are a lot of other companies offering me a lot more, but (laughs) I won't switch, no way.

I don't know if this might be Julio 'Foca' Fernandez, the only guy called Julio to be promoted to black belt by Carlson Sr.

[Rob T]

We need to start a "Can you stump J Sho?" thread. Here or EFN, it doesn't matter... everyone would fail!

[Simon Hayes]

it was great re-Reading that old interview,
it certainly shows how the rivalries between
different teams started!

[J-Sho]

I think it predominantly stems from his relationship with other members of his family.

That interview is from the year all the Carlson guys registered at the mundials under the name 'Protesto' presumably in protest of the direction of the CBJJ and some specific refereeing issues.

[creonte]

my frens,
word mean 'smash'

[The HangMan]

Ok just a little bit off topic, but maybe yous guys can help me out.

Where does the term "disrespect the legs" come from, which member from Carlsons came up with that and where did it originate from ??

I also know that Carlson Gracie emphasised the importance of playing the top game in BJJ fights ?? But who from the CGJJ team had the best guard ?? and who had the best passing/top game ????

[david5]

Who coined the infamous ‘disrespect the legs’ chant, often heard at comps in the UK?

Funnily enough the saying came from Ronaldo Campos many years ago when he was demonstrating an open guard pass at the club and part of it was described as “disrespect the legs” of your opponent. We were at a competition a few months later and the perfect opportunity to use that technique came up so Simon shouted “disrespect his legs” to try and remind the guy of the technique. People started talking about it on the internet and wondering what it meant so a legend was born.


from http://www.lockflow.com/article_view.php?id=3767

[david5]

too slow jsho ;)

[Simon Hayes]

From the original Carlson Gracie Team,in my opinion,De La Riva and Rodrigo Medeiros had the best guard.Amaury Bitteti and Wallid Ismael had the best top games and Liborio could do either.

The smaller,lighter guys like De La Riva and Rodrigo were forced to develop
great guards because they had guys like Liborio,Amaury and Sperry trying to pass.

One moment that will always stay with me was when one of our team asked
Amaury Bitteti how to deal with De La Riva guard and Amaury asked another
black belt to put him in the famous guard.He then,literally,dismantled it
in 1.5 seconds and passed.He looked up at all of us with a big grin and said
"You see,no more De La Riva".
I could just tell he had done the same so many times in sparring with the real De La Riva.It was very funny.

On the subject of De La Riva,i understand one of the reasons he learnt to develop such a personal open guard game was because he was born with some sort of ankle weakness in one leg that meant he found it hard to keep closed guard (not surprising with Amaury trying to pass it......).

Carlson is always rumoured to have said,whenever he was asked about the De La Riva guard "Its the Carlson guard-he's my student!".

As for 'Disrespecting the legs'-it has become a amalgamation of techniques for passing open guard,spider guard,upside down guard and butterfly guard
taught to us by Wilson Junior,Nelson Solari and Amaury Bitteti,although as Dickie said in his interview the term was first used by Ronaldo in class and then shouted by me at a competition.


SIMON@CARLSONS

[david5]

what was the original guard pass simon?

[Simon Hayes]

;) that would be telling Dave...................

[david5]

david, if you please. didn't think you'd tell me lol

[The Natural]

lol..good story simon..nice insight..

[Simon Hayes]

ok david.

here's a little Carlson History from Gracie Mag-


Factory of champions
The Jiu-Jitsu championships, which were so important in Carlson’s life, were nearly nonexistent in the late 60s, and were still not much frequent in the 70s. But Carlson went over this time of peace, “which had nothing of peace whatsoever,” as pupil Carlos Rosado recalls, with what he called super-fights. “Very often I’d go to the academy, go over my habitual training routine, and find there was a guy [from another academy] just waiting to get a piece of me. That happened all the time, you had to be ready at all times,” says the professor, Carlson’s third black-belt.

Always a player, Carlson would stimulate that competition. And he’d teach his students all he could so that they defeated their opponents, in an incredible process of democratization of knowledge. The repertoire gathered in years of ring activity and Jiu-Jitsu teaching, was available to all who could lead Carlson’s academy to a win over a rival team.

The thing is, in those days, there were very few Jiu-Jitsu professionals. Which turned Helio Gracie’s sons and nephews, who trained in the academy downtown, into Carlson’s greatest adversaries. “Carlson would have lunch with us and say, ‘I’m gonna train a guy to kick your ass.’ That was his joke,” recalls younger brother Carlinhos, one of Helio’s nephews who became a target of Carlson’s.

In that rivalry mood, competition Jiu-Jitsu began to grow. And, as Carlson main occupation were group lessons, his tough guys army was the biggest by the time the Rio de Janeiro Jiu-Jitsu Federation was created in 1974. From then on, besides the super-fights, there would also be the tournaments.

Winning championships. This became the new obsession in Carlson’s life. “Helio always faced Jiu-Jitsu as ideology, the fight where the weak must beat or at least not lose to the strong,” says master Joao Alberto Barreto, then adding: “Therefore, he demanded students to follow to go through a complete program, where the person had to defend, take down – or be taken down, and in this case sweep, – pass guard, mount and submit. Carlson was different. To him, Jiu-Jitsu was a game. The important thing was winning. So, if the student was worse at standup than the opponent, he should pull the latter to the ground and win from inside the guard. To hell with the system.”

This was how Carlson raised the specialists. Guard-fighters with legs that just couldn’t be transposed, like De la Riva. Firm-base passers like Amaury Bitetti. Although the master himself dominated Jiu-Jitsu as a whole, he would develop each of his students’ potential, so that they would succeed in competitions. It was not necessary to know the whole, but only enough to win. Self-defense, for instance, was set aside by the master’s pragmatism. After all, there were no self-defense tournaments.

With this methodology, Carlson Gracie academy dominated competitions for 20 years. Even though his uncle’s team still got some important titles, like the black-belt open (first with Rolls, then with Rickson), Carlson always won in quantity. Until the surrounding environment got used to the competition and other teams, like Carlinhos’s Gracie Barra, Romero Jacare’s Master and later Andre Pederneiras’s Nova Uniao – just to name a few important ones – started producing competitors in quantity that was enough to clash with Carlson Gracie academy.

In 1993, before the Brazilian Confederation started holding championships, there was the first Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Championship, in the stadium of Hebraica club, in the district of Laranjeiras, Rio de Janeiro. This was the last major competition that Carlson Gracie’s team won alone. (In 1994, Carlson won the Brazilian, but with the same number of points as Gracie Barra.)

Aged more than 60, was not willing to fight the new days. It was time his compass needle pointed elsewhere. That was how, in 1996, he moved to the United States. There MMA was growing with UFC. Thence he’d start following his students’ careers in American octagons and Japanese rings. The 30 years as a winning tutor were enough to assemble a small army that would strive for the first place in any similar event in the world.

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[david5]

cool story :D

[J-Sho]

ok david.
In 1993, before the Brazilian Confederation started holding championships, there was the first Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu Championship, in the stadium of Hebraica club, in the district of Laranjeiras, Rio de Janeiro. This was the last major competition that Carlson Gracie’s team won alone. (In 1994, Carlson won the Brazilian, but with the same number of points as Gracie Barra.)

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Carlson's team did pretty well int he early Mundials too, winning the first 3 Absolutes iirc.

[J-Sho]

He didn't bear grudges either ;)

http://adcombat.com/adccimages/Articles/200310/5100.Resize%20of%20Wallid%20e%20Carlson%20by%20Gus tavo%20Aragao.jpg

http://adcombat.com/Article.asp?s_keyword=carlson&Article_Author1Page=11&Article_ID=5100

[creonte]

Wallid is man of honor

Very respec for him from Cariocas

He stand by mestre all time

[J-Sho]

If you looked up Lealdade in a picture thesaurus, it would show a picture of Wallid.

He would also be in there under Cauliflower Ears.

Is Manimal still running Carlson Gracie Team in Brazil?