Randy post fight interview Fedor more dangerous then Brock

[neckcrank]

http://www.matratz.com/2008/11/17/1255/

I feel if Randy was younger he would,ve done better probly even of won. But I would like to see Fedor vs Brock my money would be on fedor.

[Nak-Muay]

*sigh* I hate reading this kind of thing. Brock has beat 2 old guys well past their prime and people now think he deserves a shot as p4p =/

UFC should say fuck it, we are not letting these stupid matches continue and make a Super Heavyweight division... It was bad enough when tim Silvia used to win purely because of size, now we have lesnar.

[AVI4]

*sigh* I hate reading this kind of thing. Brock has beat 2 old guys well past their prime and people now think he deserves a shot as p4p =/

UFC should say fuck it, we are not letting these stupid matches continue and make a Super Heavyweight division... It was bad enough when tim Silvia used to win purely because of size, now we have lesnar.

I agree, there should be a super heavyweight division for freaks like brock.

[Rob T]

Fedor would fuck Brock up something bad.

[The Wool.]

I think Fedor would beat Lesnar, I also believe Randy could take Lesnar in a rematch.
I think a super heavy weight division may be worth a look, but who would fight in it? (Brock Lesnar, Tim Sylvia, Antonio Silva, I can't think of that many more super heavy's.) Also if HW's like Fedor and Randy can/pertentialy beat the super HW do we need a super HW division?
Imo if Lesnar needs to cut to make the 265 lb limit maybe he sound be classed as a super HW, but as stated above is there enough talent to make it a intresting division?

[Rob T]

No, a SHW division would be boring as shit. Only other guy who is decent that I can think of at that weight is Shane Carwin... think he cuts to make 265? Not sure.

[Plastikman]

I think the introduction of a class between 205 and 265 is a better solution then bringing in a SHW class.

Id really like to see Lesnar V Bigfoot.

[The Wool.]

That big Korean lad that fights on the K1 shows he'd be dead good in a super HW division:rolleyes:

[The Wool.]

Maybe upping LHW to 215 and HW up to 275?

Lesnar vs Bigfoot would be an intresting match up. Agreed.

[Plastikman]

That big Korean lad that fights on the K1 shows he'd be dead good in a super HW division:rolleyes:

Hong man choi, Him and lesnar were supposed to fight on K1 dynamite, but Choi is suffering from a tumour on his pituitary gland and cant get clearance to fight in the states unless its removed.

[ashy51]

I think the introduction of a class between 205 and 265 is a better solution then bringing in a SHW class.

Id really like to see Lesnar V Bigfoot.

Thank you mate, I was trying to say this in another post but no one agreed.

[Plastikman]

Maybe upping LHW to 215 and HW up to 275?

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Why? That allows the same weight differances as we have now doesn't it?

[The Wool.]

Yes it does, but I think the like of Randy would have stayed fighting at LHW if they didn't have to cut the weight (i maybe wrong ).
I concede that another divison between LHW and HW maybe a better option.:)

[ashy51]

Before I was trying to point out how the weight difference between Couture and Lesnar was that of a lightweight fighting a light heavyweight, way too much weight difference. Thats why I think there should be another division between light heavyweight and heavyweight, or lower the 265lbs limit to 245lbs maybe? Something to make the gap smaller.

[Leesin]

I agree with the adding a division between LHW and HW, wouldn't really be cutting the talent out as all HW would have a choice of fighting heavier or lighter, some fitting more naturally in there chosen weightclass.

Just becomes lame where a fighter is only where he is mainly because he is freakishly large and strong, whilst still being pretty fast for someone that big. Genetically he is a warrior, skillwise I dont think he is worth shit to be honest, if he was the same size as randy he would just be any old wrestler and would have most likely lost all of his fights.

Dana knows all of this but he also knows he is going to make bucks off Brock.

EDIT: Also, the fact that fighters have a chance to put water weight back on, makes the weight difference for Lesnar stupidly large compaired to alot of HW, like what was just mentioned, it's like a lightweight fighting a heavyweight the difference is so immense.

[The Wool.]

Before I was trying to point out how the weight difference between Couture and Lesnar was that of a lightweight fighting a light heavyweight, way too much weight difference. Thats why I think there should be another division between light heavyweight and heavyweight, or lower the 265lbs limit to 245lbs maybe? Something to make the gap smaller.

Good point.

[droc]

No, a SHW division would be boring as shit. Only other guy who is decent that I can think of at that weight is Shane Carwin... think he cuts to make 265? Not sure.

Ben Rothwell also cuts to make 265, I'm sure there are others.

I'm not sure that raising LHW would be a solution, there's already 20lb between MW and LHW. Maybe a cruiserweight from 205 to 240 or 245, then HW 240/5 - 280 and big freaks of nature class from 280+ that no one really shows any interest in.

DROC

[Jay Evans]

Shouldn't people in Heavyweight get upto the limit? I mean Isn't unfair to say Lesnar had an unfair advantage when he's put the work in to get to the weight? surely if you cant get near 265 you should go to Light Heavyweight?

[ashy51]

The lightest a middleweight for example, can be 171 lbs, and 185lbs at the heaviest, whereas the lightest a heavyweight can be is 206 lbs, yet the heavyest they can be is 265lbs, notice the difference? 265lbs is too high. Its unfair to not so heavy heavyweights, for example, Randy Couture vs Brock Lesnar.

[joeymac]

I disagree with the addition of new weight classes. Just read this on a Sherdog article and thought it was a good argument against the introduction of any new class:

"Calls for a new midsized heavyweight class

If legislation in public policy serves as the stick with which to equalize opportunity, weight classes in fighting sports are the athletic equivalent. And your humble columnist will be the first to say that the installation of another weight class would be a lousy idea, consistent with everything that has ruined boxing in the past two decades. It would water-down an already thin division (especially considering Lesnar’s emergence as a legitimate force), and cater to the urge that combat sports’ final frontier should be made “fair.”

With the 265-pound Lesnar cutting to make the limit, and probably putting on 10-plus pounds afterward, the 220-pound Couture was basically giving up 20-percent bodyweight (that’s only using weigh-in poundage, to boot). That’s the equivalent of a 155-pounder taking on a 185-pounder.

Of course, few if any making this argument venture predictions that Lesnar would stomp Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira or Fedor Emelianenko, whose best fighting weight is around 225. Yes, Lesnar is huge and athletic, a physical specimen who might have overwhelmed Couture’s brave stand had he weighed 250 or whatever.

But that’s always been the allure of heavyweights in combat sports -- a special province that allowed a 185-pound Rocky Marciano to overcome every critic who, a generation earlier, probably cited the size advantage as to why Primo Carnera was unbeatable. The Riddick Bowe-Evander Holyfield trilogy did more for boxing in the early 1990s than any other rivalry. The weight differences in those fights were significant as well (30, 29 and 27, thank you).

Boxing was better for it, and let’s face it, fans will always gravitate to see David vs. Goliath (especially seeing, as Wilt Chamberlain puts it, “Nobody roots for Goliath,” but in Lesnar’s case, many of them will … another win-win for the UFC).

But aren’t the heavyweights thin enough? And what exactly would this new division consist of?

It would essentially create a new belt where everyone walking around at 255 or less would probably drop, leaving Lesnar or whoever owned it to defend against mostly unathletic muscle-bound freaks, most of them with perfect little ears and limited cardio, at best.

And what do you call it? That’s probably the worst question of all. Junior heavyweight? Medium-heavyweight? Sounds alluring, to be sure. Let’s take the holy of holies in combat sports -- the heavyweight championship -- and split it into two divisions. Genius. Whoever is behind this should be running the WBA, WBO and those clowns in boxing who, through collusion, politics and watering-down the belts, have gone an unprecedented five and a half years without establishing a successor to Lennox Lewis.

Nobody in their right mind would be getting Lesnar at even odds to beat Fedor Emelianenko. But the gap is closing. Whether he faces Nogueira or Mir, either way is an interesting prospect, precisely because Lesnar retains small-heavyweight qualities of quickness and speed with a big man’s assets. Against either guy -- especially Nogueira -- the game plan he chooses will be a huge factor.

That’s why the heavyweights should stay as one division. The UFC has not come this far only to scuttle its most lucrative vehicles, thankfully. "

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/the-lesnar-effect-its-here-to-stay-15193

[like2fightsports]

Personally I thought Couture did an awesome job but very very few could beat someone of that size difference - the only way Couture could have won in my mind was by delivering a knockout shot.
I totally agree that Lesnar and people who are generally just enormous should have a separate division.

[Jay Evans]

I dont get it tbh, if your competing in the UFC's Heavyweight division I would have thought everyone be 265lbs or close? can't they build there weight up to it???? if they can't should they then drop down to Light Heavyweight?

[Rob T]

That big Korean lad that fights on the K1 shows he'd be dead good in a super HW division:rolleyes:

lol, yeah. Him, Giant Silva, Butterbean, Bob Sapp... the cream of the crop!


I think the weight divisions are fine as they are.

[ashy51]

I don't know about another weight division, just lowering the 265 limit, its too large a gap. But I suppose thats one thing that makes this sport different and more exciting, especially for heavyweights (did I just say exciting and heavyweights in the same sentence?), a smaller heavyweight with great skill being able to defeat someone who people think will win just because of their size.