Bodybuilding and MMA

[ChokeYouOut]

Anyone do both like me?

Everytime i go to the gym the day before mma, i am weaker than i usually am and my muscles hurt like fuck.

I know its all to do with recovery e.t.c.

just wondering what you guys do.

cheers

[Yetiman]

Anyone do both like me?

Everytime i go to the gym the day before mma, i am weaker than i usually am and my muscles hurt like fuck.

I know its all to do with recovery e.t.c.

just wondering what you guys do.

cheers
I do

I train weights Mon/Wed/Sat and I do BJJ Tue/Fri/Sat. My sat weight session is the easiest out of the 3

[ChokeYouOut]

are you seeing results with your bodybuilding though? and my mma sessions are pretty rough on the body

and are you doing mostly compound movements or isolation?

[Yetiman]

are you seeing results with your bodybuilding though? and my mma sessions are pretty rough on the body

and are you doing mostly compound movements or isolation?

I have done since I have a coach telling me what to do. I do a lot of compound mainly with a few isolation thrown in. I have found with a decent diet it is not that bad and enough sleep to be honest.

But yes, I have felt muscles getting bigger (im a fat bastard so cant really see them) and also strength gains, enough rest and good diet is key imo.

It is hard if you have a serious case of DOMS though lol

[ChokeYouOut]

thanks for the replies man

[Jay]

When I had the luxury of gym time and mma time (when i was at Uni) I never really found DOMS from my weights affected my training. I didn't 'bodybuild' though and didn't do any isolation exercises as such. It was all mainly compound e.g. squat/deadlift/olympics lifts and BW like dips and pull-ups. The catch is that if you want to concentrate on MMA then bodybuilding will have to take a back seat and vice versa. If you're happy doing both in sync then you probably won't be as great doing either as you could be had you focused on one, but you can still get good gains from both just not the maximum gains available.

For me, aesthetic gains weren't a goal of my lifting but they did come through what i was doing and even then it wasn't in size much, although there was a little, as I didn't gain much weight and only concentrated on strength gains through low reps with high weight.


Man, i wish i didn't have to work full time again haha.

[steve_langford]

I can only see 'body building' having a negative effect on your MMA training to be honest , but im not a specialist in the subject.

I work fulltime on a shift pattern , 6am-2pm 2pm-10pm.

my training schedule is this:

(6-2 shift)

monday - 3pm Gym , 7pm kickboxing
tuesday - 3pm Gym , 7pm kickboxing , 8pm BJJ GI
wednesday - 6pm BJJ private , 7pm BJJ GI
thursday - 3pm Gym , 7pm MMA specifics.
friday - 3pm Gym , 6pm stand up sparring , 7pm BJJ sparring
saturday - 10am Gym
sunday - 10am BJJ No-GI , 12noon MMA specifics and conditioning.

(2-10)

Gym everyday at 10am to work on cardio mainly. Its very rare I do any power exercises. I mainly go for high reps.

Friday is the same as when im on the 6-2 shift and so is the weekend.

Im due to start wrestling on saturdays.

** Would just like to note that when I do my gym work I try and train my body in such a way that is useful for fighting. I work my grips and pulling motions alot.

[stapes360]

I can only see 'body building' having a negative effect on your MMA training to be honest , but im not a specialist in the subject.

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I am, and i agree, so does pretty much every S&C coach thats involved with high perfomance atheletes.

[ChokeYouOut]

I want to get big, but want it to be muscle and not fat which is useless.

Sort of like a Ken Shamrock/Sean Sherk type physique.

[DanCrase]

Sean Sherk has admitted to using a bodybuilding style weight regime and, fair enough, he is quite good; but look at him, no stopping power, boring as shit to watch. Not exactly ideal.

[black gerbil1]

Sean Sherk has admitted to using a bodybuilding style weight regime and, fair enough, he is quite good; but look at him, no stopping power, boring as shit to watch. Not exactly ideal.

his last fight was fight got Fight of the night.

[DanCrase]

Yeah, but still; fight of the night is never because of just 1 of the fighters, it has to be a good trade off between the 2.

I, personally, find him boring as hell. Maybe others dont, but I usually regret having watched him fight

[black gerbil1]

Yeah, but still; fight of the night is never because of just 1 of the fighters, it has to be a good trade off between the 2.

I, personally, find him boring as hell. Maybe others dont, but I usually regret having watched him fight
your opinion, but his results seems to be a good indication that his methods work.

http://sherdog.com/fighter/Sean-Sherk-277

[steve_langford]

I am, and i agree, so does pretty much every S&C coach thats involved with high perfomance atheletes.

Could you recomend maybe a couple of exercises that could help strengthen my lower back? but at the same time benefit my fight training?

cheers mate.

[Jay]

Could you recomend maybe a couple of exercises that could help strengthen my lower back? but at the same time benefit my fight training?

cheers mate.

Deadlift is the key for your lower back mate aswell as squats for your posterior chain.

[steve_langford]

Deadlift is the key for your lower back mate aswell as squats for your posterior chain.

Would I benefit from low weight sets (high rep) rather than heavy weights? Im thinking for stamina?

[DanCrase]

your opinion, but his results seems to be a good indication that his methods work.

http://sherdog.com/fighter/Sean-Sherk-277

Oh yeah man, I'm not questioning his success level, just that I don't find him the most enthralling of champion level fighters

[DanCrase]

Would I benefit from low weight sets (high rep) rather than heavy weights? Im thinking for stamina?

Yeah mate, a 5x5 regime is generally good for MMA, but don't stick to just hitting heavy weights, or you'll find yourself very strong for about 3 minutes of all out combat, then fucked for anything further.

I generally combine heavy lifts in a 5x5 format with lighter weights/ higher reps like 3 sets of 15 reps with a weight I can comfortably lift till about rep 8 or 9. Try supersets too for extra muscle knackering; your conditioning will thank you for it in the long run.

[steve_langford]

Yeah mate, a 5x5 regime is generally good for MMA, but don't stick to just hitting heavy weights, or you'll find yourself very strong for about 3 minutes of all out combat, then fucked for anything further.

I generally combine heavy lifts in a 5x5 format with lighter weights/ higher reps like 3 sets of 15 reps with a weight I can comfortably lift till about rep 8 or 9. Try supersets too for extra muscle knackering; your conditioning will thank you for it in the long run.

I never lift 'heavy' weights. Dont know wether this is good or bad but I find that my 'fighting' strength (wrestling , pulling , pushing etc) increases with things like kettlebell workouts , odd object lifting , bodyweight exercises and harness drilss etc.

I hate the idea of becoming 'stiff' because of benching etc!

[DanCrase]

I never lift 'heavy' weights. Dont know wether this is good or bad but I find that my 'fighting' strength (wrestling , pulling , pushing etc) increases with things like kettlebell workouts , odd object lifting , bodyweight exercises and harness drilss etc.

I hate the idea of becoming 'stiff' because of benching etc!

You won't become "stiff" from lifting weights unless you gain crazy amounts of mass. So long as you warm up and stretch properly (which should be a law for athletes) you'll have no problems with stiffness.

Funtional strength can be increased in a number of ways; odd object lifting, kettlebells and the like are certainly 1 way to do it but are certainly not a be all and end all.

Athletes who want the best their body can deliver will combine these methods with free weights, bodyweight and even machine weights.

The best free weight lifts to use, as has been said, are compound lifts, such as bench press, deadlift, squats, pull ups and dips etc.

I find my strength increases with weight training, but my power (here I am describing strength as lifting and pushing/ pulling abilities and power as explosive style strength and potential exertion of force through sudden motion) does increase better with odd objects and kettlebells and bodyweight exercises.

[steve_langford]

You won't become "stiff" from lifting weights unless you gain crazy amounts of mass. So long as you warm up and stretch properly (which should be a law for athletes) you'll have no problems with stiffness.

Funtional strength can be increased in a number of ways; odd object lifting, kettlebells and the like are certainly 1 way to do it but are certainly not a be all and end all.

Athletes who want the best their body can deliver will combine these methods with free weights, bodyweight and even machine weights.

The best free weight lifts to use, as has been said, are compound lifts, such as bench press, deadlift, squats, pull ups and dips etc.

I find my strength increases with weight training, but my power (here I am describing strength as lifting and pushing/ pulling abilities and power as explosive style strength and potential exertion of force through sudden motion) does increase better with odd objects and kettlebells and bodyweight exercises.


Thanks for the info mate , I have taken note.

[DanCrase]

Not a problem, mate.

Different things work for different people, dependant upon a number of factors, biological, mental and environmental. But I've found this is what works best for me, and you'll find a running trend that works with everyone, such as the compund lifts being the best weight lift movements.

Best of luck with all you do, mate.

[Abstroose]

I do an hours weights workout at the gym 6 times a week, but always stretch properly and I feel as quick and flexible as ever. I also do 15 minutes of cardio before plus 15 minutes on the bag after. Also cycle 7 miles a day, plus MMA twice a week.

I think aslong as you're not just concentrating on bodybuilding and add some cardio in aswell as the stretching as Dan mentioned you'll have no problem.

[Sports-Select.co.uk]

Bodybuilding is weight training, but not all weight training is bodybuilding.

You can train weights and get bigger and stronger without "bodybuilding"

[ChokeYouOut]

Not just random big, like strongmen powerlifters, or lesnar, i want definition as well.

[The Natural]

I can only see 'body building' having a negative effect on your MMA training to be honest , but im not a specialist in the subject.

I work fulltime on a shift pattern , 6am-2pm 2pm-10pm.

my training schedule is this:

(6-2 shift)

monday - 3pm Gym , 7pm kickboxing
tuesday - 3pm Gym , 7pm kickboxing , 8pm BJJ GI
wednesday - 6pm BJJ private , 7pm BJJ GI
thursday - 3pm Gym , 7pm MMA specifics.
friday - 3pm Gym , 6pm stand up sparring , 7pm BJJ sparring
saturday - 10am Gym
sunday - 10am BJJ No-GI , 12noon MMA specifics and conditioning.

(2-10)

Gym everyday at 10am to work on cardio mainly. Its very rare I do any power exercises. I mainly go for high reps.

Friday is the same as when im on the 6-2 shift and so is the weekend.

Im due to start wrestling on saturdays.

** Would just like to note that when I do my gym work I try and train my body in such a way that is useful for fighting. I work my grips and pulling motions alot.

Steve...your 6 til 2 training pattern is a kick ass training schedule..

kudos dude..:cool: ;)

Must be very sore on the pocket!! :)

Any plans on fighting?

[Jamie Taylor]

I guess the sat counts as a bit of a rest as you're not doing anything in the pm but still a FULL rest day somewhere in there wouldnt hurt imo.

Maybe have sat off completely especially as fri looks to be the most intense session ( although I guess if the sat cardio was light for active recovery then it would be fine ).

Just a thought.

[Duchman]

No one here do burger king and sexy time?

[Yetiman]

No one here do burger king and sexy time?

I have sexy time with burger - does that count fren?

[Smiler]

Hi,

The big thing here is that bodybuilding training is about growing muscles. Sports specific training is about building strength and neurological pathways along the moves that you will be executing, together with a support structure of overall strengthening of the body to assist in injury production.

The purpose of 24hours rest is to allow the smooth and cardiac muscles to recover, as they get worked every time you train. They need to recover like any muscles.

Saying that, I train every day, but have minimum 24hours between sessions at least once a week, (normally sat or sunday, training first thing sat and last thing sun), and periodise my training with generally two week's hard work, one week recover...

Just some thoughts for you...

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[daspecimen]

Haven't read it all properly but there looked like a decent article in this months Fighters Only about this topic