Passing guard

[widge milward]

This was for Steve Langford really... he mentioned a while ago that he could only pass guard with strikes involved (or something along them lines)

i normally use guard to set up leg locks ;)

but what do people feel are the fundamentals for passing guard? what passes do yuo use the most? MMA and sub grappling?

[Rob T]

Maintaining a good base,
Hip pressure (driving your own hips in to them) if you're passing over the legs,
Controlling their hips,
Gi grips (not in MMA/nogi, obviously!) - this plays a massive part. Braulio shredded my guard at the last seminar and I felt the major reason was the grips (and the fact he is a billion times better than me!).

See here for details; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dZP9ao3itPI !!!

[mainsy]

Get to half guard, underhook and head control, use my free leg to pull my other leg out. Will switch it to knee through depending on what they do with their hips, I will either pass to mount or side control depending on what they do with their hips.

[thaison]

stand and pass for mma

half gaurd and pass if just rolling

i also find it easier to pass if i can strike

[Grappling Weevil]

When im teaching passing guard i talk about the "fundamental 5" (thats how i was taught it)

1 open guard
2 control legs
3 control hips
4 lock in upper body
5 Settle weight/chest pressure

If you look at a double under pass or a knee through pass they follow those rules perfectly. There the things to focus on every time you pass especially 2-3 its so easy to half heartedly control the legs and hips.

Sometimes people pass without following those but it tends to either be new ballistic people or if your using timing (1st learn the rules then break them)

[Grappling Weevil]

at the moment my way of thinking about passing the guard is to stand up and pass from there, if someone is playing guard you probably dont want to be in it

[F4LL3N W4RR10R]

Pressure on the hips and good posture. We're always drilled about posture. Sometimes you can lean into the guys guard when going for the hips, bending your head down. This will allow them to grab the back of your Gi and force you more in to their guard.

So keep your head up and drive down at an angle. stop the hips, you stop a lot of leg movement.

As soon as the guard has broken, the grips as Rob T said are a major factor.

I've only been training a year, so most of these guys will give better advice.

My number 1 would be posture followed by pressure on the hips driving down at an angle.

[Duchman]

Pressure on the hips and good posture. We're always drilled about posture. Sometimes you can lean into the guys guard when going for the hips, bending your head down. This will allow them to grab the back of your Gi and force you more in to their guard.

So keep your head up and drive down at an angle. stop the hips, you stop a lot of leg movement.

As soon as the guard has broken, the grips as Rob T said are a major factor.

I've only been training a year, so most of these guys will give better advice.

My number 1 would be posture followed by pressure on the hips driving down at an angle.

Dont feel like, your oppionon counts less because you train only for a year. Its not a forum like that. Everyone should be free to post, if they think its usefull

[Levo]

There was a good video online with Mike Fowler talking about guard passing. He basically said it's about controlling their hips and getting past their knees, if a pass fails it's usually because they could move the hips or they get a knee in between them and you. Don't know if that makes sense, the video explained it better.

There are only really 3 general ways to pass: over, under or around the legs. I have 3 or 4 passes I like for each, if that. I keep guard passing simple. I use the cut across, double unders and knee push passes the most.

I know passing to half then to side is popular right now but I don't really like it. A lot of people work loads of half guard now and why not pass all the way if you can get out of closed guard. I can see the thinking behind it for MMA but not so much grappling. But it seems to work for other people, it's just not for me.

Obviously, as with any move, it's correct technique and timing that are the keys to making it work. But as started in above posts it's posture, base and control that are fundamental in the technique of passing. They want to submit you, sweep you or recover guard so it's just the opposite of that!

Nathan

[MikeyL]

lure them into a sloppy arm bar (I do this but know I shouldnt)

[mainsy]

I can't pass all the way in one movement unless the guy is wearing pyjama trousers

[Duchman]

i have the same problem. its called being white man slow.

i need get half or a similar. rather flexibile japanse guys in training changed my approach under or over at once. they seemed to hold into half, with legs everywhere.

[MikeyL]

I kind of isolate a knee then cartwheel/jump/step into scarf

[Duchman]

My trainer has in the gi, on of the best all in once passes i have seen.. Grap the pant leg and arm same side, and kinda spin/turn him.. its depressing to get passed like that. So much to learn, so little time

[Rob T]

My trainer has in the gi, on of the best all in once passes i have seen.. Grap the pant leg and arm same side, and kinda spin/turn him.. its depressing to get passed like that. So much to learn, so little time

Jacare has a few passes like that on his instructional, which reminds me... that is the best passing instructional I have seen. Some great butterfly/spider passes.

[piratebrido]

I like smothering passes. but i'm a big guy. Like a few stand up passes, but due to my poor control of legs they usually take spider and I hate being in spider guard.

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

I know passing to half then to side is popular right now but I don't really like it.

In the past, when someone waaaay better than me has passed half my guard, I've grabbed the lockdown and really pissed them off by holding them there for ages and trying my best to give them headaches.

One time, this chap got so pissed off that, once he eventually passed to side control, he almost broke my arm with a kimura out of frustration. I took that as a moral victory and applied ice when I got home lol

where's creonte with his tips?

[steve_langford]

Thankyou Widge :D

[widge milward]

i was wandering why you never posted anything so did it for you.

Some nice tips here guys, i prefer to pass to 1/2 then side in MMA you can work some really effective GnP from 1/2 Guard.

[Duchman]

i was wandering why you never posted anything so did it for you.

Some nice tips here guys, i prefer to pass to 1/2 then side in MMA you can work some really effective GnP from 1/2 Guard.

calf cutter, shin locks and bolos all you need

[piratebrido]

Most here pass to half first.

Someone needs to become a monster from half guard, then everyone will play into their trap.

Then teach me what you are doing!

[BiggBodyBrougham]

I never really was taught how to pass guard officially. I kinda picked it up from various ppl. If I'm rollin' and get into their guard I will set a good low base as not to get rolled over or sideways. Then I usually control the hips with my elbows causing them to breath heavy and not feel comfortable. Then I will use my elbows to break the legs open at the thigh. I usually hook the leg and swing it over and go for side control. If I cant get a sub from there I will go to full mount. I have to keep my eyes open for arm bar or triangle attempts when breaking the guard with my elbow since exp. rollers have caught me slippin b4....