inverted guard - no gi

[DefenseSoapEire]

anyone here play inverted guard without the gi?
I've been trying to figure it out, so far i've been able to use it to stop some passes and regain guard but can't seem to get any attacks going

[Rob T]

Check out Cobrinha at Grapplers Quest (should be on Youtube). He used inverted De La Riva pretty well.

[Rob T]

Because I'm such a nice guy, I went and found the videos for you...

http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=forum_framed.posts&forum=11&thread=1400856&page=1&pc=27

[Levo]

I have back pain for a week every time I do it rolling. Never again. Well, maybe if somone is watching and it'd look really cool lol.

Nathan

[IjumpGuard]

RobT, U dont know where i could find a good pass for that guard do ya?

[Rob T]

For normal inverted guard or the Cobrinha one?

Normal - I would look to control their ankles and pin them to the floor, then work from there. Oh yeah, clear their grips off if they are controlling your ankles (kick forward and then circle out of the grip).

The Cobrinha one I have never experienced!

[IjumpGuard]

shit just saw cobrinha's one man thats one game i wish i had. I have never myself experienced that either!!!!

[AVI4]

anyone here play inverted guard without the gi?
I've been trying to figure it out, so far i've been able to use it to stop some passes and regain guard but can't seem to get any attacks going

Theres a few different atacks from it, but i think the most common would be the triangle, ala Ryan Hall. Can be difficult to see it coming if youve never seen it before.

[Levo]

RobT, U dont know where i could find a good pass for that guard do ya?

Hope you don't mind me jumping in. If someone's inverted guard is basic I get inside their legs and drive them on to their back. It can actually be quite simple sometimes, being tentative is often what gives them the attacks. If they are any good I tend to pin the ankle/s to the floor and if possible get a shin on the back of one of them (at bend of knee, or ankle/calf if I can't get that). This often prompts them to spin back to normal open guard and I have one leg pinned already so can start to pass. Am sure people who face it more often than me will have other options.

Nathan

[Rob T]

Hope you don't mind me jumping in. If someone's inverted guard is basic I get inside their legs and drive them on to their back.


That can be dangerous though, you can end up giving up your back.


If they are any good I tend to pin the ankle/s to the floor and if possible get a shin on the back of one of them (at bend of knee, or ankle/calf if I can't get that). This often prompts them to spin back to normal open guard and I have one leg pinned already so can start to pass. Am sure people who face it more often than me will have other options.


Definitely like this option. If you can get your shin to the back of their knee you then have the option to take their back as well, mega bonus.

[Firebird]

Didnt think cobrinha pulled any sort of inverted/de la riva guard. He done a basic heel hook set up from open guard. Textbook.

Cobrinha is amazing though, cant remember the last time he lost, gi or no gi.

[Rob T]

Didnt think cobrinha pulled any sort of inverted/de la riva guard.

Not sure if you mean he didn't do it or you didn't think he did it until watching the videos.

If it's the former, have you watched all three matches?

[david5]

anyone here play inverted guard without the gi?
I've been trying to figure it out, so far i've been able to use it to stop some passes and regain guard but can't seem to get any attacks going

i got a sub with it today, i banged him backwards with my heel on his shoulder and shot hips up as he tried to come back into me.

points to note:

if he gets to close, use hand on inside of his thigh to maintain distance

if he controls ankles to the ground i spin back to butterfly guard (usually spin back before he can get ankles to the ground anyway)

[Firebird]

Not sure if you mean he didn't do it or you didn't think he did it until watching the videos.

If it's the former, have you watched all three matches?

i am talking about the link you sent, he played an open guard to heek hook.

I have seen one other match against Justin Rader,dont remember any inverted guard, although he did play de la riva.

Ryan Hall is the best inverted guard out there. He has an amazing transistion to 50/50 inverted heel hook set up. Leg locks in bjj are the most under trained and least understood facet of the sub grappling game. Check out ryan hall on youtube and you will see what i mean!!!

[steve_langford]

Ryan Hall vs Cobrinha ;)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=JlO__FnYsuc

[Scott]

I use it but I'm not getting many attacks from it, but I find it great to prevent the pass and spin back to open guard or half guard

[Xanthic]

Normal - I would look to control their ankles and pin them to the floor, then work from there.

Controlling the ankles and trying to pin them on the floor would surely prompt them to spin through and try gain open guard...? Would it not be slightly better to pin the knees? Less chance of coming back through to play conventional guard?

[david5]

hard to pin the knees and you overcommit your weight forwards imo

[Xanthic]

hard to pin the knees and you overcommit your weight forwards imo

With what I've seen with inverted guard is the person playing it tends to be up on their shoulder and neck - so as you pin the knees, the knees end up almost touching their head and with the right amount of pressure, it'll prevent them from rolling for a kneebar... and find it more difficult spinning through. I think as long as your base is set and you're not leaning too far in, your base shouldnt be compromised too much...?

I find it easier pinning the knees than the ankles - pinning the ankles still let's the other person engage the hips whereas pinning the knees, gives them less movement.

[Duchman]

hard to pin the knees and you overcommit your weight forwards imo

true. always back the fuck out.

its like leaning into spider guard.

[david5]

With what I've seen with inverted guard is the person playing it tends to be up on their shoulder and neck - so as you pin the knees, the knees end up almost touching their head and with the right amount of pressure, it'll prevent them from rolling for a kneebar... and find it more difficult spinning through. I think as long as your base is set and you're not leaning too far in, your base shouldnt be compromised too much...?

I find it easier pinning the knees than the ankles - pinning the ankles still let's the other person engage the hips whereas pinning the knees, gives them less movement.

where are the guys feet when you're reaching for the knees, my feet would be keeping distance, not floating in the air

[Rob T]

i am talking about the link you sent, he played an open guard to heek hook.

I have seen one other match against Justin Rader,dont remember any inverted guard, although he did play de la riva.

Yeah, the link to a thread with three fights in? Including the one vs. Rader.

He uses an inverted heelhook attack off it but also sweeps and other stuff. I think it's the fight with Jonathan JT Torres (I think that's his name?) which he uses it a lot in.

[DefenseSoapEire]

thanks for the videos, some interesting ideas there. seems like its much more suited for leglocks than upper body attacks which is what i've been trying.