Running

[Bateman]

How often do people go running outside ?

I have a running machine that I use a few times a week. Was thinking about running outside. Is there much difference or benefit to be gained from outside ?

or am I better of using the running machine ?

Thanks

[Kaiser Soze]

I heard running outside is bad for the joints due to the impact, think running on grass is better!

[Bateman]

I heard running outside is bad for the joints due to the impact, think running on grass is better!

up hills carrying weights ? ;)

better off staying inside then

[jayman2606]

How often do people go running outside ?

I have a running machine that I use a few times a week. Was thinking about running outside. Is there much difference or benefit to be gained from outside ?

or am I better of using the running machine ?

Thanks

It's generally agreed that running outside is better than running on a machine for a number of reasons including the natural environment and it is harder. As for road running you just need to use a bit of common sense. Get a pair of running shoes but running 3 times a week should be fine. Cross country running does have less impact and is good in many ways. I'd recommend running for sure!

[DetoxGuru.com]

The difference is

Running on a machine is fun

Running outside sucks ( no exceptions )

Cycling outside that is fun , but running boring as shite and hurts my knees ( maybe I am an iron hoof )

[Alex Gold]

Depends what you're running for, if it's just fitness a treadmill would probably be best as there are less variables with weather etc.

[jayman2606]

I suppose this is subjective really but I think running indoors is boring lol

I'd much rather feel the wind breeze, etc. It's much more engaging running outside in my opinion. On a treadmill I just find it too repetitive.

[Daddy D]

I love running and am doing the Silverstone half marathon again this March. As mad as it sounds, stretching before running for me causes injuries, ( Ive hurt both Illiotical bands ), just jog gently to warm up and stretch when youve finished your run. Its the only time I get to listen to my music as the wife prefers Celine Dion shite to my lovely Slayer.
It is harder outside and the above replies are bang on. I usually run 3 times a week but at the moment am using a cross trainer due to Illiotical band probs.

[Shaolin Exile]

Running on a machine would bore me senseless. I run 6 miles every Saturday and Sunday and ten miles midweek whenever work allows me to fit it in (which isn't often).

The only drawback is ice. I don't run in severe frosts or when there is ice or snow because I can't keep my balance on icy surfaces so there is a high risk of injury. Otherwise I don't mind any weather - although you have to choose your clothign carefully if you're going to run in heavy rain.

Sometimes I warm up by skipping but if not, I just go easy for the first mile so the warm-up is incorporated into the run

[DetoxGuru.com]

when i go to the city ( not often ) I see people running in heavy traffic , how much heavy metal do they want to suck in to there body(waits for Slayer Gaffs )

[andyt1992]

go running outside cross country cant see any disadvantage to the clean oxygen coming from the trees, technically you should be able to run longer, also there are different terrains which will help stamina and stop the boredom of treadmills and the dining room wallpaper :)

[DetoxGuru.com]

^^ You have a good point there my friend, i live right out in the sticks , some pollution here ( as everywhere ) but nowhere near as much as in the big smoke.

[Shaolin Exile]

There's not much traffic where I run, but workign in central Manchester I see runners in the city everyday and similar thoughts often cross my mind

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

Running on a machine would bore me senseless. I run 6 miles every Saturday and Sunday and ten miles midweek whenever work allows me to fit it in (which isn't often).

wow that's impressive. I used to love running, but I find it a bit like, 'putting the time in' these days. Still been running every day this week, not as far as you though :jealousy:

[Daddy D]

when i go to the city ( not often ) I see people running in heavy traffic , how much heavy metal do they want to suck in to there body(waits for Slayer Gaffs )

(Id hate to disapoint you) Yeh suck it all in, you cant get too much metal.

[Bateman]

I might head out into the country side, just is a lot of effort for a run..
Would be nice to test myself on some muddy hills and stuff

[Abstroose]

Running on a treadmill bores me senseless. Only time I use a treadmill is as a warm up before a weights workout and also because you can adjust the gradient which is good if you wanna do a short fast hill run.

I just stick with cycling. Cycle 8 miles a day... it's a lot easier on the joints.

[MikeyL]

Im trying to get a couple of runs in on a morning before work. bed is winning the battle though

[Jamie Taylor]

I love running on a treadmill ( as long as its 10 mins or less ).

Running outside even with a good pair of asics causes a lot of pain in my knees, hips, lower back and shins. I'm usually fine on a treadmill. Theres one treadmill at work that does 14mph and has a fan built in it's ace for minute intervals ( however theres always some cunt on it doing 30 mins at 6mph ).

Think I'll put a sign on saying ' please try not to use this treadmill unless you intend to run at 12mph or higher ' as its not fair for the people who want to do higher intensity runs.

[jayman2606]

^^ You have a good point there my friend, i live right out in the sticks , some pollution here ( as everywhere ) but nowhere near as much as in the big smoke.

Im reading Bill Bryson's "Short History of nearly everything".....interesting fact there are on average 50x the amount of lead in the average humans body compared to before the industrial revolution.

[MikeyL]

I love running on a treadmill ( as long as its 10 mins or less ).

Running outside even with a good pair of asics causes a lot of pain in my knees, hips, lower back and shins. I'm usually fine on a treadmill. Theres one treadmill at work that does 14mph and has a fan built in it's ace for minute intervals ( however theres always some cunt on it doing 30 mins at 6mph ).

Think I'll put a sign on saying ' please try not to use this treadmill unless you intend to run at 12mph or higher ' as its not fair for the people who want to do higher intensity runs.

which one is that?

my skillz on a treadmill provide much amusement for others

[Jamie Taylor]

Near the studios, 2nd one in. Its the only one with extra buttons and a fan built in.

[MikeyL]

I have my new treadmill then.

plus thats right oppisite were all the filth do 'fuck me' rows...

[Jamie Taylor]

No, its opposite the ab area with the vibro gyms etc....

Also with the way you run, if you tried to go 14mph you'd end up splattered on the cross trainers behind.

[MikeyL]

yeah thats were i talking about, the filth do one armed rows on a bench

[Jamie Taylor]

Ahhh I see. Come to think about it it's not a bad spot. I have seen a few decent cleavages from the ab crunch machine right opposite the super treadmill.

[MikeyL]

plus you get salsa class in the studio. not as good as the leg kick back extention thingy machine. have had some close shaves not falling off the treadmill with that bad boy...

is it possible to reserve a treadmill?............lol

[Smiler]

Hi!

Gotta run outside...cross country...hills...nature...greenery...all weather...animals...birds...army popping in camo gear...all much better than inside!

Ran a 6.8mile Thursday morning...it was great...ran right through a lovely contact between the Pirbright trainees...and right behind their three man gimpy team got attacked by a bloody dog! It didn't like it when I let rip with a roar and chased back at it...the gimpy team were really laughing from it...stupid owner not having it on a lead when there's about forty soldiers firing blanks at each other...

Nah, for me, nothing beats the outside.

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[Waterboy]

Hmmm, chased by dogs through machine gun fire or faced with Teeside's finest growlers...

I guess the great outdoors is great soulfood though.

[Duchman]

I like to run outside.. if im away from the city. i hate running in citys, or biking in them.. or acully being in cities..

[Smiler]

Duch - you and I are so alike...

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[Duchman]

Duch - you and I are so alike...

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Nice to see a fellow non city man here.

Everyone always wants to get to amsterdam. im always trying to get out of it. live in the city now as well. but next to a huge lake. several parks.. only 2 mins and i can walk in the green, see water, birds (animal kind)
cars, scooter, houses.. blegh

[Smiler]

I know what you mean!

But one of the problems with Holland is the lack of actual countryside, ie. non-farmed countryside...you need to head to the German border before you get to some decent forests, am I right?

At least in the UK woodland is still relatively plentiful...

Stick 'Church Crookham' into google earth, and you'll see the army training grounds I have on my doorstep...most mornings I see deer, foxes, pheasants, woodpeckers....and the evenings we have bats, owls, foxes and badgers...nice...

I also run at Lightwater Country Park/Maultway Woods...'The Lookout' in Bracknell...'Alice Holt Forest'...run routes up and down Basingstoke Canal (yep, know where the kingfishers nest!)...nice...

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[para74]

run outside, running on a tredmill is just shit and boring, cross country is best more to think about and some cheeky hills.

or try fell running i do this at the weekends

[Bateman]

Hi!

Gotta run outside...cross country...hills...nature...greenery...all weather...animals...birds...army popping in camo gear...all much better than inside!

Ran a 6.8mile Thursday morning...it was great...ran right through a lovely contact between the Pirbright trainees...and right behind their three man gimpy team got attacked by a bloody dog! It didn't like it when I let rip with a roar and chased back at it...the gimpy team were really laughing from it...stupid owner not having it on a lead when there's about forty soldiers firing blanks at each other...

Nah, for me, nothing beats the outside.

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I spent some time at the Guards Depot a few years back. I think that put me off running, its all I ever did.

I think there is still a warrant out for me in Pirbright... no one has convinced the outside is better than a machine. Smiller has made me think my conservatory with MTV is the best place to run....

[Bateman]

check this

http://www.mapmyrun.com/create_old

[Smiler]

Yeah, I use mapmyrun...good website...

Went on a lovely run this morning...3-5" snow...'Flagstaff' Hill...nice snowy cross country 4.5miler this morning, took photos on the way round (stuck them on Facebook) though the fog made the view from the top of the hill useless...missed taking a photo of three deer by being too slow....

Yep, outside is best - even in this weather!

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[taffdragon]

do you put extra clothes on when you run in adverse weather? i see guys round my way running in shorts and a vest in freezeing conditions. that cant be healthy, can it?

[Bateman]

I ordered a running machine last night. Should arrive at my home soon.
its tempting to venture outside and run, maybe when it warms up. I just dont see any benefit in running outside right now

[Smiler]

Bateman lol, where's your bulldog spirit?!?

Know where you're coming from, I just enjoy it!

I dress for the weather. This morning I had on shorts (my legs don't feel the cold at all), a long sleeved compression top, and a windstopper waterproof lightweight top layer. A beenie for my head, and lightweight gloves. This resulted in me being at the right temperature while running, not too hot, nor too cold.

Even when I was running at -10, all I added to the above was a short sleeved compression top. I was fine while running.

The usual suggestion is to start off just a little bit cold - that way you will not be too hot while running, instead hopefully being just right.

I don't understand people out wearing just cotton t shirts or vests though - lets save that for competition or those that want to catch colds? Mind you, wouldn't even just wear that for competition in this weather...

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[taffdragon]

Bateman lol, where's your bulldog spirit?!?

Know where you're coming from, I just enjoy it!

I dress for the weather. This morning I had on shorts (my legs don't feel the cold at all), a long sleeved compression top, and a windstopper waterproof lightweight top layer. A beenie for my head, and lightweight gloves. This resulted in me being at the right temperature while running, not too hot, nor too cold.

Even when I was running at -10, all I added to the above was a short sleeved compression top. I was fine while running.

The usual suggestion is to start off just a little bit cold - that way you will not be too hot while running, instead hopefully being just right.

I don't understand people out wearing just cotton t shirts or vests though - lets save that for competition or those that want to catch colds? Mind you, wouldn't even just wear that for competition in this weather...

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thanks, do you do a special warm up when its cold or just start off slow?

[SawaPawa]

good thing about running in the cold is that your body has to work harder to keep u warm so u lose more weight, apparantly

[Bateman]

Bateman lol, where's your bulldog spirit?!?

Know where you're coming from, I just enjoy it!

I dress for the weather. This morning I had on shorts (my legs don't feel the cold at all), a long sleeved compression top, and a windstopper waterproof lightweight top layer. A beenie for my head, and lightweight gloves. This resulted in me being at the right temperature while running, not too hot, nor too cold.

Even when I was running at -10, all I added to the above was a short sleeved compression top. I was fine while running.

The usual suggestion is to start off just a little bit cold - that way you will not be too hot while running, instead hopefully being just right.

I don't understand people out wearing just cotton t shirts or vests though - lets save that for competition or those that want to catch colds? Mind you, wouldn't even just wear that for competition in this weather...

Smiler

My brain tells me its not good to run outside, but I have a hankering to run through the countryside as you have mentioned. So I will give that a go.

2 questions I hope you can answer mate, if you dont mind

1) Would you use a sauna suit outside when running to cut any weight or is this just a bad idea ? as you mentioned running at the right tempreture.

2) Would you run on a day you trained eg BJJ, so a session of BJJ in the morning and then running in the evening ?

Thanks

[Smiler]

Hi,

I don't do any specific warmup really for anything, but I'm a bit of a freak like that.

I usually just start off a bit slower and ease myself in I guess...?

I wouldn't run in a sauna suit, there's better ways of losing fluid I think without adversely affecting training, so I wouldn't run in a sauna suit.

I train 2-4 times a day, so yeah, I run amongst my training!

Though at the moment I'm running tues (followed by boxing sparring and judo the same day), and thursday (followed by boxing padwork and calisthenics the same day), Saturdays (long recovery run), sundays (long pace run or fast short run, power weights the same day).

Hope the info helps,

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[Bateman]

thanks Smiler, one last question if you dont mind

Is there anything you need to eat or drink after a run ? after MMA, BJJ or anything strength wise i use Whey and WMS. would I require anything like this to aid in recovery after a run.

thanks again.....

[Smiler]

Hi!

When you run, a 140lb person will burn approximately 100Kcals (Calories). So, when I do around 7miles thats a 1000Cals to replace in my body...

If your nutrition is good, you shouldn't need supplements anyway, but it is worth remembering that running burns calories, and if you start going long distances, especially if cross country, you'll need to eat more to replenish.

Hope this helps,

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[Bateman]

Went out and ran 6 miles last night. I was like forrest gump.

I have bought in to outside running Smiler. definatley will be doing a few runs outside every week now...

[Nak-Muay]

I get back pains (lower back) when I run :(

[Bateman]

I get back pains (lower back) when I run :(

even on a running machine ?

[DetoxGuru.com]

I get back pains (lower back) when I run :(

thats prob your kidneys from your ridiculous lack of water mate :) , where abouts is the pain?

[Nak-Muay]

Nah, muscles in my back, I think it is because my back is so weak :P I looked it up online and is apparently quite common for people who don't run with the correct posture / correct shoes...

[Bateman]

you need those goofy looking running shoes, hence why I run late at night... they make shit loads of difference .

[OllieR]

i'd rather stick a pin in my eye than go running anywhere ! unless i decided i wanted to lose all my explosive qualities, muscle mass, anaerobic capacity,low bodyfat, knee health and the will to live. Just a thought.

[Nak-Muay]

Yeah, I have heard so much good things about Asics... but then I go check them out and I try them on and decide... I'd rather have back pain with K-Swiss than look like a clown with Asics! :P

Running at night seems a good solution... ;)

[Nak-Muay]

i'd rather stick a pin in my eye than go running anywhere ! unless i decided i wanted to lose all my explosive qualities, muscle mass, anaerobic capacity,low bodyfat, knee health and the will to live. Just a thought.

I do a lot of circuit based training and sprints instead of running also... But running is still the best way to increase lung capacity so I hear?

[Bateman]

Yeah, I have heard so much good things about Asics... but then I go check them out and I try them on and decide... I'd rather have back pain with K-Swiss than look like a clown with Asics! :P

Running at night seems a good solution... ;)

hahahaha

Hood up , beanie hat on , in black , late at night ... I look like a hoodie who just did a crime, except for my seriously untrendy running shoes....:D

[WalkingAlong]

Yeah, I have heard so much good things about Asics... but then I go check them out and I try them on and decide... I'd rather have back pain with K-Swiss than look like a clown with Asics! :P

Running at night seems a good solution... ;)

On the subject of Asics, having read about them here I went and got myself a pair and can definately recommend them. Ran 8 miles this week and didn't get half as much shin/calf pain as I'm used to.

As for the look, yeah probably best to run at night, wearing glasses and a stick on moustache...just incase.

[Nak-Muay]

I'm going abroad again next month, so it won't be so much of an issue ;)

[Predator]

im going to invest in some good running shoes tomorrow. I currently wear just some Nikes and i can feel the impact on my heel.

[OllieR]

im going to invest in some good running shoes tomorrow. I currently wear just some Nikes and i can feel the impact on my heel.

no your not barton, you've got the 2 min leg press to do. you aint running anywhere after that.

[Predator]

no your not barton, you've got the 2 min leg press to do. you aint running anywhere after that.


LOL

nowhere far! jeez

I just run to the gym from my house. Its only about 1.5 miles and i jog dead slow................more like a very fast walk. :(

That leg press drill is no doubt one of the hardest exercises ive ever done. But its great for latic acid in your legs whilst wrestling.

[OllieR]

I do a lot of circuit based training and sprints instead of running also... But running is still the best way to increase lung capacity so I hear?

lung capacity (VO2max) is predominantly genetic, it can however be trained but only to a maximum effect upto 10% of your genetic level...... and these levels can only be attained with a serious amount of dedicated aerobic training. Besides this if you are training mma, boxing etc regularly any aerobic limitations you are likely you experience are addressed in your normal training schedule.

[LewisJ]

Guess you got to think about what the limiting factors to performance are. VO2 max probably isn't one of those, but is definately an advantage, especially as a high VO2 max might improve recovery time between anaerobic sprints.

But VO2 is really only specific to the activity your doing and fighting isn't running. Runners with a massive VO2 max whilst running, wouldn't score so high if they were measured using and arm bike.

I'm with Ollie, I never run.

[OllieR]

plus, the % of your vo2 max that you can utilise is a more important measure than your vo2 max. Creating a buffering effect of hydrogen ions is what will ultimatley help to improve your capacity for work.

[Smiler]

If you are buying a running shoe, make sure its right for your footfall, and also be careful as you could be changing your whole physiology while running...therefore ending up with problems...get your running style checked if doing distance and regularly so you don't screw yourself up...

I run to two reasons. My two runs midweek are for leg stamina, power, endurance, sustained load, and are designed for that purpose.

However, my weekend long run is just because I enjoy it...last Saturday I did 13.18miles cross country hill route...nice...

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[OllieR]

If you are buying a running shoe, make sure its right for your footfall, and also be careful as you could be changing your whole physiology while running...therefore ending up with problems...get your running style checked if doing distance and regularly so you don't screw yourself up...

I run to two reasons. My two runs midweek are for leg stamina, power, endurance, sustained load, and are designed for that purpose.

However, my weekend long run is just because I enjoy it...last Saturday I did 13.18miles cross country hill route...nice...

Smiler

hey smiler...... obviously if you are doing something because you enjoy it then i'm pretty sure i shouldn't be telling you to stop !! ha ha
However, i can't see from and theoretical and from practical experience how you can develop power and much specific endurance from that type of training ? Infact i see it having the opposite effect, regulary running those distances will enevitably convert your type IIa fibers to type IIb which in a sport that reactivity, power and speed are key (as well as technical proficiency) could limit optimal performance.
Note, 'optimal performance' not 'your'll be shit if you don't do it this way' ha ha ha

[wagon]

do you think people think about it too much? Just do lots of stuff thats hard as fuck and you'll get fit man.

[OllieR]

do you think people think about it too much? Just do lots of stuff thats hard as fuck and you'll get fit man.

genius.....

[Nak-Muay]

I went on a run last night and I don't think I have ever felt as fit... in terms of breathing, etc... but just my back sadly...

[Nak-Muay]

Wagon mate, you can tell you're friends with Phil...

Eat Pizza -> Work the guns -> Spar 15 round's -> Fight

[wagon]

Wagon mate, you can tell you're friends with Phil...

Eat Pizza -> Work the guns -> Spar 15 round's -> Fight

Phil who mate?

[OllieR]

do you think people think about it too much? Just do lots of stuff thats hard as fuck and you'll get fit man.

actually, your probably right upto a certain level (amateur / semi pro), but to squeeze the last few % of optimal physical performance out at a pro level i think you need to look into every aspect in as much detail as you can.

[Nak-Muay]

Phil who mate?

Phillip Gregory

[wagon]

Phillip Gregory

don't know him mate (well I don't think I do). I am a fan however of Pizza as a training supplement:D

[Smiler]

Hi OllieR!

In respect to my conditioning I make sure I am in the best fight shape I possibly can be. I get around 20 rounds of quality (and I mean quality, every round working hard and clever) each week accross kickboxing, Thai boxing and boxing.

I also have at least three grappling sessions where free practice is used to its fullest, including the total body workout that is judo.

Therefore I get lots of sports-specific conditioning in under physical fight stress conditions.

The remainder of the work I do is again sport specific, but focusing on the technical elements.

Now, if every session was sports-specific I wouldn't be able to recover properly. But, my body is very resiliant to training, and therefore if I can train differently it can take the stress without being broken down. Like last week, 16 sessions, all quality, in 5 days followed by a 13.18mile cross country run on the saturday in 2hrs 4mins.

So the running is used to give total fitness, rather than specific. It helps to give me an edge on my competitors.

The two runs I do midweek are cross country, and include hills. One is run 10mins to a set of three hills, where my legs are pushed to lactic hell. The hills are 'designed' to give total leg strength, while improving VO2 max and lactic threshold in my legs.

The second run is either a 6.75mile, or a shorter 4.5mile, which works sustained power. The first half of each run is uphill.

The long run on the saturday/sunday is just for fun!

It works really well for me, just ask my training partners, despite the high volume of training I received these comments from sparring today 'damn you keep getting quicker'...'how come you don't tire'...'how come you are never injured'...

Its because I'm lucky to have learned and are still mixing with people who do think about sport, and in a highly developed way. I just wish I had mixed with them when I was in my 20's rather than my late 30's!!!

I've hit threshold on what my body can handle doing sport specifics. So I look outside of that to get total fitness...

Just the background!

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[peterm]

hey smiler...... obviously if you are doing something because you enjoy it then i'm pretty sure i shouldn't be telling you to stop !! ha ha
However, i can't see from and theoretical and from practical experience how you can develop power and much specific endurance from that type of training ? Infact i see it having the opposite effect, regulary running those distances will enevitably convert your type IIa fibers to type IIb which in a sport that reactivity, power and speed are key (as well as technical proficiency) could limit optimal performance.
Note, 'optimal performance' not 'your'll be shit if you don't do it this way' ha ha ha

Ollie,

I assume that you mean that there will be a conversion from type IIB to IIA
rather than the other way round?

However paradoxically does not ALL training cause a conversion from type IIB to IIA?

[Smiler]

http://www.springerlink.com/content/1137px7x66667132/

A quick search...just to get people thinking...following on from PeterM's lead...

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[Soldmysoulforabeer]

Hello people. Im new to these forums. Thanks for some of the advice on running as i can see its a vital part in improving Cardio. My question is as i live in a multi story block of flats (18 floors) would it be better to run from 1st floor upwards several times rather than going for a 2/3 mile jog?

[DetoxGuru.com]

doing the stairs would no doubt be very good cardio and you wouldnt be getting tonnes of fumes ( I presume you live in the city?? ) , would be worth you reading this thread from the beginning as their is some good advice.

[Soldmysoulforabeer]

I read the post from start to finish and noticed how people didnt mention about staircases. I live in a city area and not far away has a hillside area which is probaly around a mile away! Sorry if my post seemed abit dumb.

[DetoxGuru.com]

^^ dont be silly mate , all i know is i used a stair climber in a gym and aint sweted so much in years so must do the trick , a couple of sets of stairs should finish you off :)