Wbjja

[ringmedic]

Does anyone know if www.wbjja.com are legitimate or recognised?

[Simon Hayes]

This is a Mcdojo.

I am 100% against everything this organisation stands for.

[GBUK-Sheffield]

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[rjd]

Theres a place in Coseley near me may pop down for a closer look lol
http://www.fight2worlds.co.uk/

[NeilD]

lol brilliant!

I wouldnt stress.. class 1 and class 2 in there gallery have a combined total of 5 students hah

[Jogs D]

I agree with Simon....

I believe a dojo invasion is required at this place... :)

[Fight2worlds]

Hello guys, just wondered what the problem is with you not liking WBJJA?

[Sir Tapsalot]

Hello guys, just wondered what the problem is with you not liking WBJJA?

Well from the UK perspective, we don't like the fact that the UK clubs affiliated with the WBJJA seem to be complete McDojos, as I don't think any of us have heard of a single one. And given that many of the posters on here have been involved with UK BJJ since its inception, it's worrying that we haven't heard of them. Unsuspecting students may go to one of these clubs, see all the "Affiliated with the WBJJA" stuff and assume that they are learning genuine BJJ from a qualified source. UK BJJ is growing in strength, and we would hate to see genuinely keen students ripped off and dissappointed by fakes.

What's the history behind the WBJJA, and more importantly, what are its criteria for affiliation other then simply paying the association money?

[Fight2worlds]

Just want to say to NeilD, i have to start somewhere with my classes. Im sure you only had a few students in the begining! I am not hear to argue or put anyone down, i am hear to understand why people have a problem with me teaching BJJ. I have studyed many Martial arts over the past 10 years and i have come across a lot of polictics in martial arts. As we all know we can be graded in BJJ for mat time, in Rio they grade mat time and they grade through a point system, with the WBJJA program it is done by knowlage (syllabus). Thanks

[Sir Tapsalot]

Fight2worlds - On your website you have listed Mark Evans as a "Monitor Instructor" under Paulo Wesley Lopez and Thadeu Vieira. What belt is Mark (I'm guessing Blue from the pics)? Who awarded him his belt and when? What exactly is a "Monitor Instructor"? Has Mark ever competed in BJJ? Do his students?

[Simon Hayes]

I am against any organisation that effectively charges for belts.
I believe that if any money changes hands for any type of grading in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu,then the legitimacy of the promotion could have been compromised by the financial transaction.

Of course,it could be argued that students at every BJJ Academy pay for their training and thus their belts,but the difference is that the student has not entered a financial agreement that includes belts.He has entered a financial agreement to be taught BJJ,and will be awarded a Belt if the instructor feels he deserves it,the instructor is not obliged to promote students.He is only obliged to teach them.

I personally disagree with set curriculums as i feel BJJ is a very personal and creative art,and what works for one student may not work for the next.
I feel that the journey of BJJ we are all on is infinite in its techniques and we should be judged on performance not on Kata (which is what demonstrating a set of techniques is,effectively).

I also disagree with 'Instructor courses' and any other ways of teaching BJJ where a student does not come into regular,weekly contact with his teacher.
Techniques and details cannot be adjusted and fine tuned by DVD and internet.Sure those mediums can help a student but they cannot replace the passing on of knowledge from one Human being to another.This exchange of knowledge is why lineage in BJJ is so important and something to be immensely proud of.You cannot have true lineage from a DVD.
IMAGINE-

Simon Hayes- a beginner i met at the sports hall-DVD-You Tube-A couple of books-A Gracie-Maeda

compared to-

Simon Hayes-Wilson Junior-Nelson Solari-Ricardo Liborio-Carlson Gracie-Carlos Gracie-Maeda

It's not about names though-it's about the sharing of techniques,postures and
gameplans and the passing of this from Teacher to Student,generation to generation.

If we lived in a country with very few BJJ Blackbelts and Brown's and Purples i could,perhaps, begin to understand this way of learning (although i would always see it as inferior).But we are in a country with a BJJ Black Belt in every major city and a Purple Belt in most large towns and our country is small.

I feel this organisation is going to be used as a way of being graded by individuals who can't be bothered/don't want the commitment of going in person to a BJJ Teacher on a weekly basis where their level can be assesed accurately over a matter of years every time they step on the mat.
In short,it is a route for getting a belt without learning one of the most important lessons in BJJ,that the journey is one you endure with your team around you-a real BJJ team with a real BJJ instructor.

Everything on this link worries me-
http://www.wbjja.com/programs.html

I apologise if this isn't what you want to hear but i do not apologise for my views,I love this sport-it is my life and any attempts to erode it or water it down upset me greatly.

Simon Hayes
Carlson Gracie Revolution Team

[Ben]

Just want to say to NeilD, i have to start somewhere with my classes. Im sure you only had a few students in the begining! I am not hear to argue or put anyone down, i am hear to understand why people have a problem with me teaching BJJ. I have studyed many Martial arts over the past 10 years and i have come across a lot of polictics in martial arts. As we all know we can be graded in BJJ for mat time, in Rio they grade mat time and they grade through a point system, with the WBJJA program it is done by knowlage (syllabus). Thanks

you get graded by ability and knowledge in real bjj. Not by points.

[Sir Tapsalot]

Very eloquently said Simon

James

[Fight2worlds]

Hello sir Tapsalot, go on the WBJJA site, they will give you all the info regarding history etc. as for me i have studied BJJ for over 6 years but never was graded. At that i wanted to be graded in BJJ and thats when i found the WBJJA

[Simon Hayes]

Hello sir Tapsalot, go on the WBJJA site, they will give you all the info regarding history etc. as for me i have studied BJJ for over 6 years but never was graded. At that i wanted to be graded in BJJ and thats when i found the WBJJA

Exactly,all that you wanted was to be graded.


My god,have they given you a 'Midnight Blue Belt'?

"MIDNIGHT BLUE BELT – THE OFFICIAL WBJJA MONITOR
Distance Instructor members are allowed to begin officially teaching upon entrance into the program.
However, the Distance Instructor members will only be allowed to wear the Midnight Blue belt as a
monitor upon officially advancing to the rank of blue belt within the WBJJA. "

I see you can even get a Red Band on your midnight blue
http://www.wbjja.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/rules_of_growth_and_path_of_program_integrity.pdf

[GBUK-Sheffield]

fight2worlds, would it not be a better option to travel and train under a regular instructor and recieve your belt when that instructor thought you deserved it?

[GBUK-Sheffield]

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[Simon Hayes]

"Get a World recognised BJJ Grade NOW!"

http://www.bjj-kent.co.uk/

[Fight2worlds]

Thanks for all of your thoughts, happy training. Nunca te Rindas

[simonjkd]

Thanks for all of your thoughts, happy training. Nunca te Rindas

When you look in the mirror it must be difficult to lie to youself that your belt actually means something.

In my opinion, if you have not worked for the belt you wear then you have no concept of what it means to actually do BJJ, and to wear a belt that you have cried, sweat and bled to achieve. You have no concept of what it means to be a true martial artist, a teacher and a fighter.

I just hope your students find an honourable BJJ Instructor soon.

Simon McGovern.

[NeilD]

Well you can't add anything to what Simon has said really, very well put.

Money grabbing talentless scam artists.

You decided you wanted to be graded in BJJ? How much did that cost you?
I honestly feel for students that want to learn BJJ and come across that thinking they are with a very official-looking organisation!

'Midnight' Blue belt?

Ugh I hate it when people try to take advantage of the unsuspecting.

[creonte]

my fren,if professor he does not tie belt around the waist of you that belt it cannot count.for sure.is not real.if buy belt it cannot count.is not real for sure.if buy belt an tie belt around you waist with own hands then lot of bad luck can come.for sure.

[NeilD]

Can't imagine we will see him fighting in a tournament any time soon!

[Fight2worlds]

Yet again Thank you for your thoughts. If you have any more questions, i suggest you E mail the guys in Brazil and speak to Paulo Strauch, 7th degree red/black belt under Grandmaster Reylson Gracie; and Paulo Lopes, 3rd degree black belt under Grandmaster Francisco Mansur. Thanks

[Fight2worlds]

Belts - Degrees - Titles


The Belt and Degree test, in the KBJJS is traditionally celebrated uniting all students of all of the academies of the Kioto family, where all students participate. In accordance with individual merit and knowledge students will receive belts, medals, shirts, promotional gifts, diplomas of graduation and participation.

For a student to be promoted to the next belt of degree, it is necessary that he have a minimum of 100 positive points in his personal file, in the following form:

Group Class
2 points per class

Private Class
5 points per class

Completed Book
10 points per book

Competition (Champion)
8 points

Competition (Vice-Champion)
5 points

Third and Fourth Place
3 points

Grand Master Francisco Mansor has dedicated 46 years of his life to the practice, study and teaching of Jiu-Jitsu. He is the founder and owner of "Academia Kioto de Jiu-Jitsu," one ofadmin the most traditional and successful Jiu-Jitsu schools in Rio de Janeiro, "Brasil." He is very proud to be one of the six men outside of the Gracie family to be granted a professor's diploma by Grand Master Helio Gracie.

[creonte]

that guy mansur he went to united states many years ago for make money.
he already be expose selling belt to fakey guy in america.ok he had legit link to helio but he become american in way of business.Reylson Gracie been selling belts on internet for years.another guy who make a business from sell belts.
how you feel when you tie knot in you belt? do you feel pride like man or you feel ashame?
this system is not from Brasil it from America.

[creonte]

fren,is possible for read of your <grandmaster mansur> hinvolvment of
this strange stuff here
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46242

[NEO2]

Aylesford is only about 1 mile from where i live, think i might take a wander down to take a closer look. :)

Shane

[FlameBoy]

Aylesford is only about 1 mile from where i live, think i might take a wander down to take a closer look. :)

Shane

If you want an "interested friend" to come along - I could free up some time!!

[rjd]

LOL is this for real?

[Rob T]

Belts - Degrees - Titles


The Belt and Degree test, in the KBJJS is traditionally celebrated uniting all students of all of the academies of the Kioto family, where all students participate. In accordance with individual merit and knowledge students will receive belts, medals, shirts, promotional gifts, diplomas of graduation and participation.

For a student to be promoted to the next belt of degree, it is necessary that he have a minimum of 100 positive points in his personal file, in the following form:

Group Class
2 points per class

Private Class
5 points per class

Completed Book
10 points per book

Competition (Champion)
8 points

Competition (Vice-Champion)
5 points

Third and Fourth Place
3 points

Grand Master Francisco Mansor has dedicated 46 years of his life to the practice, study and teaching of Jiu-Jitsu. He is the founder and owner of "Academia Kioto de Jiu-Jitsu," one ofadmin the most traditional and successful Jiu-Jitsu schools in Rio de Janeiro, "Brasil." He is very proud to be one of the six men outside of the Gracie family to be granted a professor's diploma by Grand Master Helio Gracie.

How many LEGIT (i.e. from a school like Braulio, RGA, Carlsons) purple belts+ have you rolled with?

What is this midnight blue shit about? Explain to me how that is not just a way of making the belt look black to those who don't pay enough attention.

What rank exactly are you and in what circumstances were you awarded your belt?

How often do you roll with purple/brown/black belts?

I do not care what rank the guys who run the association are, nor do I care how big the association is, how friendly the guys were with Helio, or anything else like that.

[megalol]

I've known Mark for a good 3+ years, he has cross trained in a variety of martial arts and has a very dedicated work ethic and a very great craving to improve himself. I don't believe for a moment that he would try and rip anyone off. He is working to this particular system, he did not create it.

I can see where you guys are coming from but the personal attacks are unjustified I feel.

I await your flames.

[NEO2]

If you want an "interested friend" to come along - I could free up some time!!

Sounds good to me, ill e-mail and find out class times etc.
:)

[comegetsome22]

. ..

[comegetsome22]

I will start a little different than the others by introducing myself. My name is Wagner “Mamute” Roque and I am a WBJJA Black Belt. If you would like to reach me, please call our headquarters at: +1-941-400-4609.

Well, I am a Brazilian National and I represent the traditional and the authentic Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu taught by Master Helio and Carlos and by our direct master Mansur. All of you do not represent 5% of the essence of what is Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. As a matter of fact I am disgusted by your dishonor and disrespect and lack of morals and everything else towards some people that are honest and learning BJJ in the right way from certified Black Belts that has given their blood in Brazil to make what maybe is what feed your own families and spread the art throughout the world.

Martial arts usually mix up people's mind and right now I see a lot of garage grappler's attacking something that you don't know what it is. It reminds me the movie TEAM AMERICA. Are you the world's police of martial arts? Most of you are related to Gracie Barra or Machado brothers and as you know, both are a network too with the same intention to make BJJ an Olympic sport. We at the WBJJA are part of the IBJJF which your very master Carlos Gracie Jr., is the president. We, as the Gracie Barra, have a curriculum (more extensive in fact), we perform seminars as well and we have a maintenance fee to make the organization works (at a lower cost I must say). At the end all networks have the same goal to provide knowledge to those who are in search of it.

I must say that when you say in BJJ there is no rank test. You are wrong. There are several types of schools and methods of evaluation. In more than 50% of schools there is no evaluation at all. I've witnessed people getting rank in other schools because they are rich, handsome, gay, successful in competitions or demontrating knowledge, etc.

In our case we have evolved from our master's original system and we have an unique method of quantification of knowledge. This is our method. For all of you it sounds strange as in 500 years ago people believed the Earth was flat. So, you're ignorant in regards to this subject. In our system also we strive to offer BJJ classes for a lower membership cost in our schools and advance rank to those who are interested. Our students receive rank certificate, DVD, patches, ID cards, etc... Again, it is a stranger world for you as you don't have access to it...

It is a reality in all our schools to receive members from other schools and even some of yours and such students realize that they have training for long time and knew nothing. Very common white belts from such schools take a class with us and take all the stripes out with peace of mind and realization. Even black belts that joined our organization are pleased to go over our entire curriculum as they told us they didn't kow half of it. So, please don't talk about something you don't know. Most of you if I ask to show me 3 different ways to defend an armbar from guard will simply not show anything technical. There is one available on our website to you learn for free. Enjoy.

Sadly, I see some threats and it will not be tolerated. Some of you are crossing bridges and will be prosecuted. I urge you to go back to your masters and parents and have them to teach you discipline, respect and morals, all important things that are part of our traditional Brazilian Martial Art. I understand that are people also envy and a lot of you are BJJ orphans: those who never had a true master. So, please don't disturb those who are one the serious journey of knowledge with personal offenses. By doing so you're stepping on somebody else's shoes there and here and it will not be tolerated, neither forgotten.

Some mentioned that you never heard about the midnight belt, which is a parallel system created by Master Francisco Mansur, 8th degree black belt, which is the father of the technical director of the IBJJF, which Master Carlos Gracie Jr. is the president, so be careful with your words as it can offend those who are part of the same organization that your master is. Now I am teaching BJJ history for you that probably don't have the intellect to absorb it.

If you dislike the existence of networks and its different methods of operation please talk about the operation of the other above cited as well and you will find out that ours is not behind. I think you should as a fighter test its effectiveness signing up in official tournaments and make sure to bring the gold medal all the time, if you are a coach you should sign up all your students in local tournaments and expect the same result of all of them. What if your student loses a fight for someone from a network you dislike? Are you going to drop your belt and leave town?? Before to the inevitable!

This is our only one and last communication on this forum as we don't belong to cage warriors environment and we spend most of our time training, not virtually. If some of you would be in Rio in July or in California in June, please drop me an email or call me and we will be glad to visit you and talk about it. We will be in the UK soon performing a technical clinic with our members as well. Stay tuned.

Cheers!

[Rob T]

We at the WBJJA are part of the IBJJF which your very master Carlos Gracie Jr., is the president.

lol




(even though you are a troll account)

[Rob T]

What belt level does a midnight blue belt enter in competition?



















A midnight blue belt doesn't enter competitions.

[NeilD]

hah brilliant!

good attempt at being a troll but where you get all the patience to write that shit I don't know!

[Simon Hayes]

I stand by every single word i said.

[Simon Hayes]

Guys,

I have had a PM which states that one of the UK members of the WBJJA
has been threatened.I think this is an absolutely terrible thing to happen and i ask anyone reading this thread to understand the huge difference between
having a public discussion and issuing private threats.I sincerely hope this didn't really happen but if it did the guy making threats should be ashamed of himself.

[Sergei]

Listen motherfucker, I make many PM to threaten leglock on bjj pussy, I tell him bring this grandmaster to Sergei so I can ask how many heelhook escape he know. Sambo master Sergei leglock purplebelt many time. Midnight blue belt gonna go home with mates push him in waitrise trolley for so much leglock.

[vileniall]

Listen motherfucker, I make many PM to threaten leglock on bjj pussy, I tell him bring this grandmaster to Sergei so I can ask how many heelhook escape he know. Sambo master Sergei leglock purplebelt many time. Midnight blue belt gonna go home with mates push him in waitrise trolley for so much leglock.

no, just no.

[Fight2worlds]

Guys,

I have had a PM which states that one of the UK members of the WBJJA
has been threatened.I think this is an absolutely terrible thing to happen and i ask anyone reading this thread to understand the huge difference between
having a public discussion and issuing private threats.I sincerely hope this didn't really happen but if it did the guy making threats should be ashamed of himself.
This will be the last post i do on hear, the uk WBJJA guy had two blokes go to his house and threaten his wife and child. The WBJJA guy wasnt in at the time. This is the first time i have ever been in a forum and it will be my last!!!

[Simon Hayes]

Although it is absolutely wrong and unacceptable to make threats perhaps you will now begin to understand how emotive the issues of buying belts and wearing a belt that does not exist in BJJ can make some people who perhaps spent years of blood sweat and tears achieving their own legitimate grade.

I truly hope this did not happen.

Please realise that wearing belts that do not exist in BJJ ('midnight blue belt') and advertising BJJ gradings to entice new students to join a Gym will do nothing but upset the UK BJJ community.

[Ben_Hutch]

I'd love to see one of these guys enter a BJJ competition in the 'Midnight Blue Belt' category......that would be a classic!

[Simon Hayes]

At Carlson Gracie BJJ Revolution Team a Blue Belt will be available only to those that have shown they can use
solid fundamental Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Techniques to be able to submit Blue Belts of a similar size and athletic ability
to themselves in live sparring with their opponent offering full resistance.The Belt will have no financial cost,
but instead will be a very expensive commitment of your time,intellect and spirit.
There will be no course,and no grading-Just a test of your heart and ability every time you step on the mat.

That is true Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

[dave coles]

A guide to grading at my academy (a minor case of plagiarism from a post by Simon a few years ago) ;)


Belt promotions will only be awarded to those that have shown they can use the techniques of Ju Jutsu Kumite (juniors) and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (seniors), in a competitive environment, to defeat opponents of a similar size, age and grade to themselves.

At The Combat Academy there are no pre-grading courses and no grading courses to pay for. In fact the belt will have no financial cost what so ever. It will however be a very expensive commitment of your time and effort, and a test of your fighting spirit every time you step on the mat.

[NEO2]

The Belt will have no financial cost,
but instead will be a very expensive commitment of your time,intellect and spirit.
There will be no course,and no grading-Just a test of your heart and ability every time you step on the mat.

Well Said.

[andymc]

This will be the last post i do on hear, the uk WBJJA guy had two blokes go to his house and threaten his wife and child. The WBJJA guy wasnt in at the time. This is the first time i have ever been in a forum and it will be my last!!!

Hope that was'nt true, it's a bad day when things like that happens :(

[Benws]

At Carlson Gracie BJJ Revolution Team a Blue Belt will be available only to those that have shown they can use
solid fundamental Brazilian Jiu Jitsu Techniques to be able to submit Blue Belts of a similar size and athletic ability
to themselves in live sparring with their opponent offering full resistance.The Belt will have no financial cost,
but instead will be a very expensive commitment of your time,intellect and spirit.
There will be no course,and no grading-Just a test of your heart and ability every time you step on the mat.

That is true Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.

I generally agree with everything simon says but:

Should white belts really be able to submit the blue belts of a similar size? Assuming the blue belt is improving shouldn't they pretty much always be a step ahead of the white belts.

Hypothetically when the blue belt got their blue belt they should be at the same standard as the whitebelt who is very near their blue. But they now have all the time from when they got their belt to have improved, so they should be at a higher level then the white belt assuming they have improved in that time. Is it really fair to expect the white belt to tap out the blue belt.

I used to be against syllabuses but i now think they are a good thing(before purple). Every grade there should be two things you take into account imo, mat performance and technical knowledge. I feel that a syllabus makes sure that people have the technical knowledge that one should have for their belt, otherwise holes can occur in peoples games.

Just to stay on topic, this WBJJA stuff is crap imo.

In Bj Penns documentary he is talking about his first time up at Ralph Gracies academy "i still didn't know what jiujitsu was, because untill you train with a really good blackbelt you dont know what it is"

You cannot really understand jiujitsu till you start training with some high level guys. You need to feel it to really understand. You can see how to do an armbar in a book, but until you feel the pressure etc you wont really understand the way its meant to be done. You need to learn jiujitsu from an actual instructor, not online or through a book. Books and online tuition can help but are no substitute for a real life instructor and able sparring partners. Your students are going to be copies of you, so if you learn how to do something badly, your students will do it badly.

[ringmedic]

I don't believe for one minute that anyone went to a WBJJA guy's house and threatened their family. This stinks of trolling to me!

This comment as well I've witnessed people getting rank in other schools because they are has just destroyed any credibility that the poster claiming to be from the WBJJA has.

I think this is trolling in order to produce a response and it has worked!

If this is the responses the members of WBJJA make then it doesn't reflect well on their organisation.

[Simon Hayes]

The White belt should be catching the blues in submissions.He will probably get caught himself by them a lot more times than he can catch them but he needs to be able to finish the blues sometimes.And not be being tapped by whites anymore.
Obviously there are a lot of other factors to take into account and that is what a good instructor will do when he knows his students,knows the current dynamic and everyones level in the club.He will also know people's competition results and their personalities and what their strengths and weaknesses are.

These are all the things an 'internet' or long distance coach CANNOT know,
and why internet and long distance coaching,as well as seminar belts suck.

[Simon Hayes]

I don't believe for one minute that anyone went to a WBJJA guy's house and threatened their family. This stinks of trolling to me!

This comment as well I've witnessed people getting rank in other schools because they are has just destroyed any credibility that the poster claiming to be from the WBJJA has.

I think this is trolling in order to produce a response and it has worked!

If this is the responses the members of WBJJA make then it doesn't reflect well on their organisation.

Agree 100%

[NeilD]

What a load of bollocks no one went to his house lol

Simon why'd you delete that long response to his thread? It was pretty well written

[steve_langford]

Stuff like this really fucks me off!
I live literaly 2 mins away from Coseley , lets meet up and have a 'roll'....

[Rob T]

So how much of this is a troll? Are these clubs actually part of the WBJJA and teaching BJJ classes?

[white belt for life]

Stuff like this really fucks me off!
I live literaly 2 mins away from Coseley , lets meet up and have a 'roll'....

A roll? What, a cheese roll? whats with all the hard man stuff Steve 'anyone thats seen me roll knows im a cunt' Langford. Gotta turn it into a fight! Complete cock!

[white belt for life]

This will be the last post i do on hear, the uk WBJJA guy had two blokes go to his house and threaten his wife and child. The WBJJA guy wasnt in at the time. This is the first time i have ever been in a forum and it will be my last!!!

Hello fight2worlds. If it was langford and Rob T that went round (the forums enforcers by all acc'unts), tell the geezer to send his wife out nxt time for a 'roll'. She'll be ok.
Just tell her to mind robs triangle if there's a car nearby tho!:D

[white belt for life]

How many LEGIT (i.e. from a school like Braulio, RGA, Carlsons) purple belts+ have you rolled with?

What is this midnight blue shit about? Explain to me how that is not just a way of making the belt look black to those who don't pay enough attention.

What rank exactly are you and in what circumstances were you awarded your belt?

How often do you roll with purple/brown/black belts?

I do not care what rank the guys who run the association are, nor do I care how big the association is, how friendly the guys were with Helio, or anything else like that.
Typical rob tit! u always sound so patronising.
U dont care about anything the geezer said, just force your opinion on everyone else. Its a good job no-one on here gives a fuck about anything you say, innit baldy! Notice you never got a reply?

[SWM]

White belt for life has mad hatred, like proper seething hatred.

Que?

[South Central]

[QUOTE=NeilD;347432]What a load of bollocks no one went to his house lol

[/QUOT


Nice Bombhead.

[NeilD]

nice lack of simple point and click skills with the quote button there dick

[vileniall]

White belt for life has mad hatred, like proper seething hatred.

Que?

Because he has all those teeth and no toothbrush.

[steve_langford]

white belt for life / south central hates me and Rob T

Hows that quote go? 'you know youve made it when people hate on you?' or something?

xx

[minibjjer]

Aylesford is only about 1 mile from where i live, think i might take a wander down to take a closer look. :)

Shane
i live near aylesford (if its the one in kent) count me in

[Banana]

LOL! This is so bad it is almost funny! What is not funny is if people are being ripped off with fake BJJ. But to be fair to the "instructors" if they have been ripped off with the instructor course and not realised it how are they to know any better when teaching their students???

To the UK part of the Wbjja:- come to a BJJ competition there are plenty around, British Open 21st June for a start, see how your students and instructors do, no you're not expected to get all golds, but if all your students & instructors are being outclassed you may want to have a rethink!

[alakazan]

Well well well... I see a lot internet crap here. You shall see the WBJJA athletes in the tournaments, just wait and you will see when the right time come. I know it disturbs the GB monopoly in UK and that's the reason why for all this crap. Tournament results will speak by itself. I personally trained in a GB school and moved to the WBJJA. Their curriculum is just 100x better to learn. It's a fact. You will need to learn to live with other teams in UK. I was disturbed by this internet crap and looked on their youtube page and found two long clips where I saw WBJJA fighter beating GB fighter...twice...So, a lot of people here are GB whores or have big mouths...Cheers in the name of the sport!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHGfpXl2hw&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbpxDimoFc

[vileniall]

Well well well... I see a lot internet crap here. You shall see the WBJJA athletes in the tournaments, just wait and you will see when the right time come. I know it disturbs the GB monopoly in UK and that's the reason why for all this crap. Tournament results will speak by itself. I personally trained in a GB school and moved to the WBJJA. Their curriculum is just 100x better to learn. It's a fact. You will need to learn to live with other teams in UK. I was disturbed by this internet crap and looked on their youtube page and found two long clips where I saw WBJJA fighter beating GB fighter...twice...So, a lot of people here are GB whores or have big mouths...Cheers in the name of the sport!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHGfpXl2hw&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbpxDimoFc

what are you on about? whats this monopoly you speak of? when are you competing?

[rjd]

Lol.............................

[Rob T]

Well well well... I see a lot internet crap here. You shall see the WBJJA athletes in the tournaments, just wait and you will see when the right time come. I know it disturbs the GB monopoly in UK and that's the reason why for all this crap. Tournament results will speak by itself. I personally trained in a GB school and moved to the WBJJA. Their curriculum is just 100x better to learn. It's a fact. You will need to learn to live with other teams in UK. I was disturbed by this internet crap and looked on their youtube page and found two long clips where I saw WBJJA fighter beating GB fighter...twice...So, a lot of people here are GB whores or have big mouths...Cheers in the name of the sport!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzHGfpXl2hw&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKbpxDimoFc


You are probably a troll, but...

There is no GB monopoly in the UK, far from it. RGA & Carlsons normally contend for the team trophies at most comps. Then there are also; BJJ School, EC BJJ, BTT, Italo Ferreira, Pedro Bessa and many, many more.

Why does the fat guy in the first clip have a white belt on?

WBJJA promote people via testing sheets submitted online by instructors who hold bullshit ranks of "midnight blue belt". They also charge for promotions, so imo they can fuck right off. Just because they might have some good competitors in local US comps doesn't mean a thing... how many WBJJA competitors medalled at this year's Mundials? How many even entered?

[Simon Hayes]

^Good Post

[tommynos30]

>>>>>>>>I dont mean to open such a old post but i have some questions about a tournament my son was just in and it has alot to do with what ive found threw the internet,that led me to this forum...

My son trained at wbjja,we decided to pull him out for various reasons..We found another local place that is associated with the ibjjf and the trainer is a true BJJ black belt and a great trainer..We recently decided to attend a tournament held by my sons old school/wbjja...

This is the problem..My son is 13 and just recieved his orange belt,when we showed up the ex instructor had put my son against a 15 year old kid that has been all over the world in tournaments,winning and has a "light blue" belt..lol..I know how you all feel about the 2 tones of blue belts...Anyway there was many kids here 12-16 years of age and my son was put against this light blue belt,but the thing is he was wearing a orange belt for this tournament??...

I asked the instructor why I found all kinds of videos of this kid in tournaments all over the state,winning,wearing a blue belt but now he downed him 2 belts to fight my son??..He said the kid is 15 and cant have a blue belt but wears one in tournaments?..Im just asking is this true,I thought from what I read that the rules were ages 12-13?..

My son is 6 foot,160 with gi but his mind isnt there yet and everyone knows this other kid is hard core and a great fighter and I used to complain about how this kid went way too hard with slams as he had broke my kids foot and gave him a concussion on another end of the day spar and this was one of the reasons we left..I personally think he had nobody to fight my son that could have won so he belted down a blue belt to make sure his class walked with the first place as this trainer is all about tournaments....
My son fought him at this tournament twice and 1 other kid??and went 2 minutes each fight and tried his heart out,but this kid picked him up again slammed him which bruised his foot up...Whats the exact rules or is there any,can he have a adjustable belt color??

[Rob T]

Kids belts only go up to green. Blue belt is for 16+.

Is the belt specifically called a "light blue" belt, or is the kids belt just light in colour?

[Simon Hayes]

We did a good job stopping these jokers infiltrating the sport in the UK.

[TRIBULUS]

>>>>>>>>I dont mean to open such a old post but i have some questions about a tournament my son was just in and it has alot to do with what ive found threw the internet,that led me to this forum...

My son trained at wbjja,we decided to pull him out for various reasons..We found another local place that is associated with the ibjjf and the trainer is a true BJJ black belt and a great trainer..We recently decided to attend a tournament held by my sons old school/wbjja...

This is the problem..My son is 13 and just recieved his orange belt,when we showed up the ex instructor had put my son against a 15 year old kid that has been all over the world in tournaments,winning and has a "light blue" belt..lol..I know how you all feel about the 2 tones of blue belts...Anyway there was many kids here 12-16 years of age and my son was put against this light blue belt,but the thing is he was wearing a orange belt for this tournament??...

I asked the instructor why I found all kinds of videos of this kid in tournaments all over the state,winning,wearing a blue belt but now he downed him 2 belts to fight my son??..He said the kid is 15 and cant have a blue belt but wears one in tournaments?..Im just asking is this true,I thought from what I read that the rules were ages 12-13?..

My son is 6 foot,160 with gi but his mind isnt there yet and everyone knows this other kid is hard core and a great fighter and I used to complain about how this kid went way too hard with slams as he had broke my kids foot and gave him a concussion on another end of the day spar and this was one of the reasons we left..I personally think he had nobody to fight my son that could have won so he belted down a blue belt to make sure his class walked with the first place as this trainer is all about tournaments....
My son fought him at this tournament twice and 1 other kid??and went 2 minutes each fight and tried his heart out,but this kid picked him up again slammed him which bruised his foot up...Whats the exact rules or is there any,can he have a adjustable belt color??

Kids should be matched up according to age weight and ability, same as adults. If you wouldn't train somewhere for various reasons then I think it's fair to say you shouldn't attend tournaments organised by the same people.

[tommynos30]

Thanks for the responses,The belt color he has is blue...Im just never going to allow my son to compete here again,obviously the instructor is more worried about winning first place than doing whats right for the kids..

[shakus maximus]

My son is 6 foot,160 with gi but his mind isnt there yet and everyone knows this other kid is hard core and a great fighter and I used to complain about how this kid went way too hard with slams as he had broke my kids foot and gave him a concussion on another end of the day spar and this was one of the reasons we left..I personally think he had nobody to fight my son that could have won so he belted down a blue belt to make sure his class walked with the first place as this trainer is all about tournaments....

an instructor has a responsability to look after youngsters of opposite teams as well as his own.
If we are going build BJJ into a national sport then all instructors have a duty to ensure children compete in a safe enviroment. Kids must enjoy the experience of competition.
On many occasions I have told my students during a competitive match to slow down and allow there opponent some slack if they are totally dominating the match.
Im all for a good tear up between 2 evenly matched kids and enjoy nothing more than watching one of my kids win tournaments, but occasionally there will be mismatches due to level of capability, and in these cases we should be looking out for the well being of the kid rather than just concentrate on our team winning.
Any coach that is encouraging kids to purposly hurt opponents is an asshole.
I have a very good crop of youngsters competing regular and encourage them to enter comps. I have also talked some kids out of competing as i dont feel that they are quite ready yet.
1st and foremost BJJ must be an enjoyable experience for the kids, and not be about how many medals they have.
If the kids are enjoying training then believe me the medals will come.