and as much fruit as you like...

[Bateman]

is this the case, can you eat as much fruit as you like ? the only risk being that you might soil yourself when you sneeze ?

I love fruit and I eat a alot of it, my diet is clean except i love to eat fruit, grapes being my favourite...

[Alex Gold]

No, fruit is full of sugar.

[Leigh]

I think you need to provide more information - is your target weight loss? Strength building? Endurance? Dental health?

I switch to a fruit diet to lean up and it works well. However, when I then cut the fruit out, I drop weight pretty quick for a cut, so clearly the fruit is contributing to me maintaining some of my weight

That said, noone ever got fat eating apples

[Sports-Select.co.uk]

Grapes are one of the most inslin spiking of fruits. The yanks used to mix creatine with grape juice to get better uptake.

I keep it to one piece of fruit a day at breakfast.

[DetoxGuru.com]

heres my ten penneth which is not backed up by mainstream bullshit..doh I mean science..

eat as much fruit as you want before lunch ( best is apples , pears and pineapple )
leave an hour after eating fruit before you eat anything else
do not eat fruit with anything else.

the main reason for the first point is to let your body complete the digestive cycle by not overloading your body with stuff that is hard to digest , ie bacon/pancakes/wheat etc :)

enjoy fruit sensibly lol.

[Leigh]

Here is another idea that works brilliantly for me. Eat food that is natural to humans. Whether you believe in evolution or creationism, we have evolved/been designed to eat certain foods. I do have a cheat day but in general I avoid processed foods, including bread and dairy

However I think the paleo diet as prescribed by some is a bit over the top - no legumes, not tubers etc. They're fine IMHO

[Nak-Muay]

As above, fruit is really highin sugar... I'm no expert but I remember Gary Turner telling me once that too much fruit increases body fat because of this.

That being said, fruit is better than chocolate I guess...

I would guess the fruits to avoid too much of would be raisons and pineapple because they are loaded in sugar and calories. Apples, Melon, Blueberry, etc are low in calories and good for dieting.

I find the same as Leigh... I think one reason for the weight dropping off is Fruit and Vegetables weigh more per calories. Eating like 4 apples, 2 oranges, bag of prunes & appricots and 2 bannanas a day (like I usually do!) weighs a lot in my stomach. I also eat like 2/3 plates of vegetables a day... That weighs a lot more than say a mars bar, lol.

[DanCrase]

I fucking DETEST fruit (although I DO like watermelon) yet I love fruit juice.

[black gerbil1]

unless your eating more caliores then you burn, you will not put fat on from eating fruit.

[piratebrido]

How much body fat will you put on if you include fruit in your diet? Sticking within your calorie limit?

Will eating fruit have any real impact on those who are not trying to cut the last few lbs to fight weight?

[black gerbil1]

How much body fat will you put on if you include fruit in your diet? Sticking within your calorie limit?

Will eating fruit have any real impact on those who are not trying to cut the last few lbs to fight weight?
zero.

Fruit is great, people go crazy over it because it has simple sugars. If you are so worried, just eat it it during the morning, pre and post work outs if anyone is so scared of putting on "Fat".

[Nak-Muay]

I'd not like to give you wrong info... from what I understand (it might be rubbish)

Fruit spikes quickly... so rather than 80g of pasta that digest slowly and therefore allow you to stay full longer and goes torwards the running of the body, 80g of raisons will spike quickly and therefore you will get hungry quicker and the energy won't get put to function and therefore will be stored as fat.

I think Fruit right after or before training though like raisons / bannanas can be good because thesugar goes into your body and can be used to energise / repair... I'll wait for someone to give you a little more than GCSE level nutrition :P

[Nak-Muay]

I have put the important bit in bold...

Does Fruit Make You Fat?

Fruit is a healthy food, full of nutrients, high in fiber, vitamins, minerals, and low in fat and calories. Learn the truth about fruits and the myth that it will make you fat!

The old adage that your body is a temple is well known and still has relevance today. Without a solid foundation a temple cannot be successfully constructed and will eventually collapse. The same holds true for the human body. We at ISSA strive to educate our trainers regarding the synergism between proper exercise, nutrition and behavior modification to effectively draw their clientele into not just a good lifestyle, or even a better lifestyle, but the best way of life; a fitness lifestyle.

The importance of nutrition is imperative as the foundation of any successful fitness program. The core of this foundation should be based around food. Just as certain compounds are necessary to build a solid foundation in a building, specific foods are necessary to build a solid nutritional foundation. Since we have already discussed which foods aid in building this foundation through past articles, we will focus our attention on why certain foods that are considered healthy, actually may not aid in fat reduction.

Why Fruits Are Important!

With the advent of so many nutritional approaches to achieve the ideal look, numerous inquiries regarding the practice of omitting fruit, fruit juices or any of its derivatives from a diet have surfaced. Fruit is a healthy food, full of nutrients, high in fiber, vitamins, minerals, and low in fat and calories. It is a common practice for bodybuilders during pre-contest preparation to omit fruit from their diets, as it should be for anyone looking to minimize body fat. We will discuss the chemistry behind the efficacy of this practice.

Find Out How Many Calories You Are Burning, Click Here!

Our bodies can only absorb monosaccharides (glucose, galactose, or fructose), the single units of sugars and starches. Once absorbed through the small intestines into the portal vein, and then circulated into the bloodstream through the liver as blood glucose, our bodies can put glucose to work in three ways.

The Three Ways Our Bodies Put Glucose To Work:

* It can burn the glucose immediately for energy if blood glucose levels are not at a stable level of 20 grams blood borne glucose circulating per hour.
* If it is not needed for energy immediately, then it is converted into glycogen in the liver or muscles. The liver has the capacity to store 100 grams of glycogen. The muscles have the capacity to store between 250-400 grams of glycogen, depending on muscle mass and physical condition. Liver glycogen supplies energy for the entire body. Muscle glycogen only supplies energy to muscles.
* If the body has an excess of glucose, and all of the glycogen stores are full, the surplus glucose is converted to fat by the liver and stored as adipose tissue (bodyfat) around the body. If needed, fatty acids can be burned as fuel (BUT the fat cannot be converted back to glucose).

Now that we have outlined how our bodies use glucose, we will discuss why fruit (fructose or fruit sugar) is detrimental in an attempt to maximize fat loss. Since muscles have the specific purpose of contraction, they have a limited number of enzymes for glycogen synthesis. Muscle only has the necessary enzymes to convert glucose (and nothing else) into glycogen. The liver, however, is able to make glycogen from fructose, lactate, glycerol, alanine, and other three-carbon metabolites. Muscle glycogen, which is similar in structure to starch, is an amylopectin (branched chained polymer containing hundreds of glucose units). Unlike muscles, which can only supply energy to themselves through the stored 250-400 grams of glycogen, the liver is responsible for supplying energy to the entire body.

If You Have Fruit, Fruit Juice, Or Any Of Its Derivatives, The Following Conditions Occur:

Referring to the three ways the body uses glucose, assuming that blood glucose levels are adequate, the glucose will then be stored as glycogen. Muscle does not have the necessary enzymes to synthesize fructose into glycogen; therefore the liver converts this fructose into liver glycogen. It would only take three, 8-ounce glasses of orange juice to fully replenish liver glycogen stores. Since the liver is responsible for supplying energy to the entire body, once its stores are full, a rate limiting enzyme in glucose metabolism, which is responsible for signaling the body to store glucose as glycogen or convert it to fat (phosphofructokinase), signals the body that all stores are full. If the glycogen stores are signaled as full, then the third way our body uses excess glucose is to convert it to fatty acids and store as adipose tissue. In essence, fruit sugar is easily converted to fat.

Many may be asking why then is fruit low on the glycemic index? If it does not cause a sudden release of insulin, then how could it ever be a poor food choice? Once the fructose (fruit sugar) enters the liver and liver glycogen is already full, then it cannot be used by the muscles for glycogen or energy production.

It is converted to fat and released back into the bloodstream to be stored as adipose tissue. The low glycemic response is based on the fact that fructose leaves the liver as fat, and fat does not raise insulin levels.

This is the biochemistry behind the recommendations to limit fruit in your diet. As mentioned, fruit is a very nutritious food full of vitamins, minerals, fiber, and low in calories and fat. If your goal is to exclusively to minimize bodyfat, then it is advisable that you consume more complex carbohydrates, which will go to replenishing muscle glycogen stores rather than fruit, which will only replenish liver glycogen stores, and is useless in muscle glycogen replenishment.

[black gerbil1]

I'd not like to give you wrong info... from what I understand (it might be rubbish)

Fruit spikes quickly... so rather than 80g of pasta that digest slowly and therefore allow you to stay full longer and goes torwards the running of the body, 80g of raisons will spike quickly and therefore you will get hungry quicker and the energy won't get put to function and therefore will be stored as fat.

I think Fruit right after or before training though like raisons / bannanas can be good because thesugar goes into your body and can be used to energise / repair... I'll wait for someone to give you a little more than GCSE level nutrition :P

if you eat fruit with a meal that consists of fat/protien/complex carbs, the GI of the fruit becomes irreverent, also fruit mostly replaces liver glycogen and little amounts muscle glycogen. I always eat fruit before/after a workout having said that

[Nak-Muay]

if you eat fruit with a meal that consists of fat/protien/complex carbs, the GI of the fruit becomes irreverent, also fruit mostly replaces liver glycogen and little amounts muscle glycogen. I always eat fruit before/after a workout having said that

Well coming from a skinny bastard like myself... I eat 4 apples, 2 oranges, bag of prunes (50-100g) & appricots (50-100g) and 2 bannanas a day... I walk around about 66kg and have walked around as low as 63kg... so can't be that bad... I'm pretty lean.

[black gerbil1]

Well coming from a skinny bastard like myself... I eat 4 apples, 2 oranges, bag of prunes (50-100g) & appricots (50-100g) and 2 bannanas a day... I walk around about 66kg and have walked around as low as 63kg... so can't be that bad... I'm pretty lean.
agreed fruit is good,full of vits and mins, it has sugar yes, but if your active and watch your calorie intake you have nothing too worry about.

[Rob T]

heres my ten penneth which is not backed up by mainstream bullshit..doh I mean science..

Do you even understand what science is/means? Do you understand the scientific method and why it is important?





Answer to all those questions is "no" btw.

[Rosi]

Yup... fruit is full of sugar. Yummy carbs. Mmmm. Carbs get a bad press - nothing wrong with them, if you include them at the right time, in the right amounts for the right reasons. You need carbs to train effectively.

So, yeah - you might want to cut them out in the last week or so of a weight cut when you're dropping glycogen, but otherwise it's not worth getting worked up about a few oranges in your diet.

It amazes me how many people I've spoken to who think fruit is bad because it's got lots of sugar in, but quite happily eat BBQ chicken wings or have a couple of pints of beer in the evening...

BTW, contrary to popular opinion humans are remarkably inefficient at converting carbohydrates to fats for storage. The way carbs contribute to obesity is by stimulating your body to burn carbs and store any fat from your diet.... If you eat a high carbohydrate diet, but are religious about keeping a VERY low fat intake then you won't put on much (if any fat). It would probably be pretty bad for you in the long term, but that's a whole different question.

[Bateman]

thanks guys, the problem is I have started eating fruit in the evening, grapes , oranges , raisins... i am pretty active in the evening, training , running, weights... i just worried if you can eat to much..

in the next 2 weeks I am going to start cutting for a fight in june (19th) i need to cut 8lbs..or there abouts .. My diet is very clean (stapes put it together for me and it has delivered the goods and beyond)

I was sitting on the beach Saturday evening and before I knew it I had smashed a bag of grapes, 2 oranges and an apple... thats when i thought "its ok , you can eat as much fruit as you like..." but i guess this is the case..

[Rosi]

I am going to start cutting for a fight in june (19th) i need to cut 8lbs..or there abouts ..

8lbs by june 19th should be easy! (I hope, ;) )

[Bateman]

8lbs by june 19th should be easy! (I hope, ;) )

thats the plan, but my sudden addiction to grapes , raisins and prunes has made me wonder :confused:

[Rosi]

thats the plan, but my sudden addiction to grapes , raisins and prunes has made me wonder :confused:

Well, I ate a whole bag of satsumas last night. Wickedness.

I'd stay away from the dried fruit though. It's easy to get through a lot of calories without realizing it when you're eating raisins and stuff. At least eat fruit with lots of water and fibre to bulk out the sugar content.

[Smiler]

Hi!

Just a quickie...fruit is really good for you, I wouldn't cut it out of your diet...unless you are trying to lose fat...

Thats lose fat, not weight...

When my book finally comes out (now looking at 4th quarter 2009, thanks credit crunch!) you'll get the science with the practice...but until then, my advice would be not to eat fruit (as a generalisation) if trying to lose fat.

To get your body to burn fat and not store it is a tricky one...and alot of it has got to do with insulin response and other chemical reactions in your body...production of enzymes etc...and thats the reason why eating fruit can set you up for fat storage rather than fat burning.

Golden rule is to stay away from anything sweet if going for fat loss...

Its not just about calorie intake...

Also, I wouldn't stay away from fats either (although remember fat has 9kcals compared to 4kcals for protein and carbs.)

Best advice would be to not limit any of the food groups, and to experiment to find the best proportions for you...

Just a quick input!

Smiler

[Bateman]

Well, I ate a whole bag of satsumas last night. Wickedness.

I'd stay away from the dried fruit though. It's easy to get through a lot of calories without realizing it when you're eating raisins and stuff. At least eat fruit with lots of water and fibre to bulk out the sugar content.

I had a satsuma thread on here a few months back, I think I achieved 25 in one evening :o , I think thats 2 many, i think even a bag is to many... lol so take note..

I will cut the raisins out, i worked through a few over the weekend, i might just go back to satsumas... to be honest I dont know what to do ...

[Bateman]

Hi!

Just a quickie...fruit is really good for you, I wouldn't cut it out of your diet...unless you are trying to lose fat...

Thats lose fat, not weight...

When my book finally comes out (now looking at 4th quarter 2009, thanks credit crunch!) you'll get the science with the practice...but until then, my advice would be not to eat fruit (as a generalisation) if trying to lose fat.

To get your body to burn fat and not store it is a tricky one...and alot of it has got to do with insulin response and other chemical reactions in your body...production of enzymes etc...and thats the reason why eating fruit can set you up for fat storage rather than fat burning.

Golden rule is to stay away from anything sweet if going for fat loss...

Its not just about calorie intake...

Also, I wouldn't stay away from fats either (although remember fat has 9kcals compared to 4kcals for protein and carbs.)

Best advice would be to not limit any of the food groups, and to experiment to find the best proportions for you...

Just a quick input!

Smiler


thanks Smiler, but after I have been out for a run, should I have some fruit then to get my suger levels back up..?

[Rosi]

I had a satsuma thread on here a few months back, I think I achieved 25 in one evening , I think thats 2 many, i think even a bag is to many... lol so take note..

I'll bear that in mind, thanks for the advice. My weight cut is going really well, by the way, how's yours? :D

(On a serious note, I should perhaps point out that the bag of satsumas was after two hours of sparring... timing is everything)


I will cut the raisins out, i worked through a few over the weekend, i might just go back to satsumas... to be honest I dont know what to do ...

Paul McVeigh had a good suggestion for this... low calorie jelly. It's brill. I think I'm addicted. Of course, some killjoy on here will point out that it's got sweeteners in it which will no doubt rot my stomach or something like that... but hell, there's only so much celery a girl can eat!

[Nak-Muay]

I'll bear that in mind, thanks for the advice. My weight cut is going really well, by the way, how's yours? :D

(On a serious note, I should perhaps point out that the bag of satsumas was after two hours of sparring... timing is everything)



Paul McVeigh had a good suggestion for this... low calorie jelly. It's brill. I think I'm addicted. Of course, some killjoy on here will point out that it's got sweeteners in it which will no doubt rot my stomach or something like that... but hell, there's only so much celery a girl can eat!

They have 10 calorie pots of jelly in tesco these days...

[Bateman]

I'll bear that in mind, thanks for the advice. My weight cut is going really well, by the way, how's yours? :D

(On a serious note, I should perhaps point out that the bag of satsumas was after two hours of sparring... timing is everything)



Paul McVeigh had a good suggestion for this... low calorie jelly. It's brill. I think I'm addicted. Of course, some killjoy on here will point out that it's got sweeteners in it which will no doubt rot my stomach or something like that... but hell, there's only so much celery a girl can eat!

haha you are right , also mine hasnt started yet , its kicking off next monday :D

I like the jelly idea, i am going to give that a go instead of the fruit. it might also cut down my shopping bill, thanks

[Rosi]

They have 10 calorie pots of jelly in tesco these days...

I prefer to mix my own from the packets... works out cheaper, plus you can add a handful of frozen berries to it if you're not being completely obsessive compulsive about cutting out the fruit.

("oh no, a raspberry, think of all that sugar... I'll be obese before I know it!" :p )

[Smiler]

Hi Bateman, it depends on what you are doing...

Timing is everything...

And eating for fat loss is not the same as a healthy eating holding diet, or eating for optimum performance...

And if eating for optimum performance are you eating for doing an explosive event...or an endurance event...

It gets more and more complicated!

Smiler

[Rosi]

Timing is everything...

And eating for fat loss is not the same as a healthy eating holding diet, or eating for optimum performance...

And if eating for optimum performance are you eating for doing an explosive event...or an endurance event...

It gets more and more complicated!

and of course, the difficult bit is when you have to lose fat AND also maintain performance and explosiveness....

[Maccavelli]

its better than cake

[Duchman]

I think allot of people are over complicating this. Having lost of LOAD of fat. Im now back on my old weight, 68kg.. coming down from 79 kilo. I hardly did any cardio exercise. Did Bjj at max 3 times a week.. most of the time it was 1 or 2.
I stopped eating all crap.
Meat (joke away) was replaced by tofu and soy
Cut out 90% lactose
i eat ALOT of veggies and fruits, A LOT. and yes i leaned up.

All and alot fruit and veg = its hard to stay fat...

Since i stopped eating meat, and using allot of lactose. i also sleep way beter, but less. 6/7 these days is more than enough compared to 8/9 since i dont wake up to alarm clock it was very funny to see

[Malcontent]

If you eat a high carbohydrate diet, but are religious about keeping a VERY low fat intake then you won't put on much (if any fat).

This would depend on how active you are surely?

Fruit is good.

Veg is good.

Unrefined carbs are good.

Unprocessed fats are good.

Frying in unsaturated fats is bad. Even the healthiest oils (avocado oil, olive oil etc) do not cope very well to heat. They oxidise and generate horrible trans fats which are terrible for your health.

Believe it or not saturated fats such as butter and coconut are by far the healthiest fats to cook with at high temperatures. They are much more stable when heated. As always though, moderation is key.

Oh sorry, fruit, yes it's good stuff. Full of cancer fighting anti-oxidants, fibre and vitamins. If you have a sweet tooth it will certainly save your sanity when trying to lose fat.

Perhaps not eating fruit might help in some small way to lose weight, but if you (like me) have a bad sweet tooth then trying to lose fat without fruit doesn't even bare thinking about.

[Leigh]

Duchman is correct. LMAO @ people getting fat on a fruit diet. You can count whatever calories and crunch whatever numbers you want. Bread and pasta, as well as lots of junk food, makes you fat. Fruit will not (dried fruit might)

I even reckon you can eat decent amounts of chocolate and not get fat, as long as the rest of your diet is in check. If I have an easy cut, I eat as much fruit as I want and I drop weight. If its a hard cut, I hold back to just 2 pieces a day (like I am now)

Fruit is awesome, its natural and we are supposed to eat it. Same as meat. Not like bread, pasta and milk (or ice cream, or crisps or donuts). I NEVER count my calories, ever. I just eat clean and the weight falls off

[Brigsy]

I think allot of people are over complicating this. Having lost of LOAD of fat. Im now back on my old weight, 68kg.. coming down from 79 kilo. I hardly did any cardio exercise. Did Bjj at max 3 times a week.. most of the time it was 1 or 2.
I stopped eating all crap.
Meat (joke away) was replaced by tofu and soy
Cut out 90% lactose
i eat ALOT of veggies and fruits, A LOT. and yes i leaned up.

All and alot fruit and veg = its hard to stay fat...

Since i stopped eating meat, and using allot of lactose. i also sleep way beter, but less. 6/7 these days is more than enough compared to 8/9 since i dont wake up to alarm clock it was very funny to see

Interesting. What did you do for starchy carbs? Skip them? Limit?

[Rosi]

This would depend on how active you are surely?

Nope. You can eat thousands of calories in glucose, but if you don't eat ANY fat in your diet, then you won't put on much. Humans are rubbish at turning carbs directly into fat. I could look up references to the research papers, but I doubt anyone would care enough for it to be worth my while.

Of course, if you're not active and you're doing this on a regular basis, then it would be bad for you in other ways. And in reality any diet is going to have some fat, and eating too many carbs will ensure that it all gets stored... even a small amount on a regular basis will add up over time. So I'm not recommending people do it. But that wasn't the question :)

[Duchman]

Interesting. What did you do for starchy carbs? Skip them? Limit?

Let me tell you.. I dont even know what a starchy carb is..:) I did lose 10 kg.. And people no longer make fat jokes to me.

Not that i can train much, but if i much on some nice oranges, bananas i will real good at training.

i never expected to actually eat this clean.. Having/have serious colon problems and had to cut out a allot in my diet.. When i was giving the clear again to eat meat/milk etc it just did not make any sense going back into normal food ways.
To bad eating this way is fucking expensive

[Nak-Muay]

Duchman is correct. LMAO @ people getting fat on a fruit diet. You can count whatever calories and crunch whatever numbers you want. Bread and pasta, as well as lots of junk food, makes you fat. Fruit will not (dried fruit might)

I think Leigh, the reason dried fruit tends to get you putting on fat easily is because 70% of fruit (typically) is water right? So say you eat like 3 appricots (which would prob fill you up) you have only eaten 51 calories. Now if you consider water has no calories and I'm eating dried appricots I'd easily eat 20-30 to fill me up and therefore I am eating 340-510 calories.

Saying that, I happily eat as many prunes, dates and appricots as I likeas long as they have nothing added... Dried apple crisps are nice also. I just avoid any other dried fruit. I'd esspecially keep away from raisons, banana chips, pineapple and cherries.

The worst is cranberries because they tend to have syrup and sugar loaded into them... I brought 1kg of cranberries from Holland and Barrots and the label said '45% cranberries' work that out!!!

[Duchman]

I think Leigh, the reason dried fruit tends to get you putting on fat easily is because 70% of fruit (typically) is water right? So say you eat like 3 appricots (which would prob fill you up) you have only eaten 51 calories. Now if you consider water has no calories and I'm eating dried appricots I'd easily eat 20-30 to fill me up and therefore I am eating 340-510 calories.

The worst is cranberries because they tend to have syrup and sugar loaded into them... I brought 1kg of cranberries from Holland and Barrots and the label said '45% cranberries' work that out!!!

Thats why you actually should buy fruit. Not dried, not juice, not nothing. They come ready of a three.. No need to mess with it any more.

[Jamie Taylor]

Just thought I'd add my bit.

I used to eat a fair bit of low gi carbs in every meal ( although maybe I ate too much of it ) usually quinoa, wholemal rice / pasta etc. . as I always thought that would help me stay lean and provide energy for training. I have NEVER ate fruit, every now and then if someone has grapes at work I'll pinch a few but they have never been part of my diet. After reading the grapplers guide a few month back I recently decided to clean up my diet, start eating fruit and hopefully drop some fat.

My diet has basically consisted of salmon, tuna, chicken, TINY bit of mixed veg ( as well as powdered greens ) and SHIT LOADS of fruit ! The only time I have had any other carb is an hour after my post workout shake and is usually quinoa or rice.

In just under 3 weeks of eating like this I have a visible six pack. ( which was a foul kite 3 weeks ago ) After eating fruit I always expect a bit of a sugar crash because we are told most fruits are high gi and cause a spike followed by a crash blah blah however I have not felt this once. I have had a lot more energy when training which I'm pleased about as I thought I'd be drained without my usual huge plate of pasta and tuna 2 hours before training to keep blood sugar stable. I'm guessing a lot of what I'm experiencing is just from cleaning my diet up and taking all the crap out but still fruit can't be as bad for fat storage as some make out.

As far as I'm concerned as somebody else stated as long as you havent gone way over your calorie expenditure for the day I can't see fruit being a problem at all ????

[DetoxGuru.com]

fruit is good for you thats the bottom line , maybe I am over fussy about when i eat it etc but thats just me, i dont eat it with other foods cos im just fussy about eating fruit with other stuff as it gives me bad guts(fermentation).

Keep up the good work Jamie b.t.w

[Malcontent]

Nope. You can eat thousands of calories in glucose, but if you don't eat ANY fat in your diet, then you won't put on much. Humans are rubbish at turning carbs directly into fat. I could look up references to the research papers, but I doubt anyone would care enough for it to be worth my while.

Of course, if you're not active and you're doing this on a regular basis, then it would be bad for you in other ways. And in reality any diet is going to have some fat, and eating too many carbs will ensure that it all gets stored... even a small amount on a regular basis will add up over time. So I'm not recommending people do it. But that wasn't the question :)

It's a moot point really, it wouldn't even be possible to eat nothing but carbs. It would result in death sooner rather than later, surely?

[Rosi]

It's a moot point really, it wouldn't even be possible to eat nothing but carbs. It would result in death sooner rather than later, surely?

True, and maybe I'm being unnecessarily pedantic. But I think it's important to be clear about WHY too many carbs make people fat - and it's not because we convert carbs to fat.

[Nak-Muay]

Thats why you actually should buy fruit. Not dried, not juice, not nothing. They come ready of a three.. No need to mess with it any more.

Off a three? :P

[Duchman]

Off a three? :P

I cant say or write it tree, three all the same for me.

Try writing or talking in foreign language for you keep slagging me off.

Having a naked Thai oil fight in the gym, while calling each other 'katoy' doesn't count, fag

[Smiler]

"and of course, the difficult bit is when you have to lose fat AND also maintain performance and explosiveness...." says Rosi...

And that is definately the difficult bit, and what has been covered throughout my book. The purpose of the book is to show how to lose fat whilst actually increasing in performance throughout. And that takes a wee bit of juggling...

It depends if you want to lose fat. Or be a top athlete increasing performance while you lose fat.

If, like me, you want to be the latter, then things like fruit can be an issue, and should be cut out during that process. Of course, if you're less dedicated, not concerned with the most efficient course....

And please note that I think fruit, a good variety too, should always form part of a healthy diet! Its just that in optimising fat loss, while optimising performance in training during that period, it is one of the factors that needs to be addressed.

Just a thought...

Smiler

[MikeyL]

this thread has made me hungry. I miss fruit.

[Leigh]

I just had some grapes as part of my weight cut

[Lou]

Just thought I'd add my bit.

I used to eat a fair bit of low gi carbs in every meal ( although maybe I ate too much of it ) usually quinoa, wholemal rice / pasta etc. . as I always thought that would help me stay lean and provide energy for training. I have NEVER ate fruit, every now and then if someone has grapes at work I'll pinch a few but they have never been part of my diet. After reading the grapplers guide a few month back I recently decided to clean up my diet, start eating fruit and hopefully drop some fat.

My diet has basically consisted of salmon, tuna, chicken, TINY bit of mixed veg ( as well as powdered greens ) and SHIT LOADS of fruit ! The only time I have had any other carb is an hour after my post workout shake and is usually quinoa or rice.

In just under 3 weeks of eating like this I have a visible six pack. ( which was a foul kite 3 weeks ago ) After eating fruit I always expect a bit of a sugar crash because we are told most fruits are high gi and cause a spike followed by a crash blah blah however I have not felt this once. I have had a lot more energy when training which I'm pleased about as I thought I'd be drained without my usual huge plate of pasta and tuna 2 hours before training to keep blood sugar stable. I'm guessing a lot of what I'm experiencing is just from cleaning my diet up and taking all the crap out but still fruit can't be as bad for fat storage as some make out.

As far as I'm concerned as somebody else stated as long as you havent gone way over your calorie expenditure for the day I can't see fruit being a problem at all ????


I have been following the grapplers guide too and it's great. I have never had so much energy, even after training and I am really starting to see a difference now. It can be quite tricky working in eating every 2-3 hours but it feels great.
I eat a fair amount of fruit, even for a sweet fix as I have cut out sweet stuff, I love blueberries and bananas and often make a fruit smoothie. To cut fruit out would just make my diet horribly bland.

[Bateman]

I just had some grapes as part of my weight cut

:D

I have limited myself to 50 g a day .... in prep for mine

and 50 g of strawberries for breakfast