bestt non bjj grapplers

[oneshotkiller]

watched matt hughes vs matt serra the other night and jo rogan commented that matt hughes is the equvilant of a bjj black belt in terms of skill , and it got me thinking who are the best non bjj grapplers.
i think karo parysian is pretty good or used to be excellant take downs submissions and submission defence what do you guys think ?:confused:

[thaison]

fedor
Barnett
koscheck

[JonnyB]

sakuraba back in the day, Fedor, Barnett. I suppose are the obvious MMA related answers, dunno about pure sub grappling though, probably whoever has got the best results in ADCC or such. Always thought Tito looked good as well.

[JonnyB]

Kerr was, not now. Couture?

[JonnyB]

Has Yushin Okami got a BJJ rank?

[oneshotkiller]

i'm in two minds about fedor i think its more his strength and conditioning that make him so fierce on the ground .

[thaison]

Fedor does seem mostly atitrubute based when grappling.

[oneshotkiller]

apparently rashard evans and keith jardines ground games are excellant, greg jackson supposedly turns out some brilliant grapplers , i'm pretty sure he holds no bjj rank ?

[MikeyL]

forrest griddens game is supposed to be excerlent

[thaison]

griffen would have trained bjj at singers gym

[Duchman]

griffen still trains bjj with cameron.

[oneshotkiller]

igor yakimov although not a mma fighter has a excellant ground game !

i think he also did well in ADCC , google his videos well worth a watch , i think his take downs are excellant

[Duchman]

igor yakimov although not a mma fighter has a excellant ground game !

i think he also did well in ADCC , google his videos well worth a watch , i think his take downs are excellant

That brings me to the guy he lost to at ADCC. Karimula barkaleav. VERY good.

Rashad events is very very hard to tap. Even in TUF, with no submission training, a very high ranted grappler. could not tap him.

[oneshotkiller]

That brings me to the guy he lost to at ADCC. Karimula barkaleav. VERY good.

Rashad events is very very hard to tap. Even in TUF, with no submission training, a very high ranted grappler. could not tap him.

i'l google him and have a look

[oneshotkiller]

hmmm no vids how strange ?

i've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter what system a submission grappler uses it seems they have been influenced by bjj in some way or another it would seem bjj is the superiour system in my opinion anyway .

i think even those who do not train bjj work strategys on how to avoid playing the bjj game .

[AdamB]

without doubt... Marcelo Brigadeiro

[Waterboy]

Apart from the guys mentioned above (including my coach obviously), I'd defo agree with the OP's choice of Karo Parisyan. The guy used to roll with all the BJJ guys in LA and by all accounts is nigh-on untappable. That and the fact that he used to throw Randy around (as mentioned by Randy, not by Karo) he's top drawer. He's all Judo as far as I can gather - he never joined in with Eddie's class at Legends although I did hear mention that he was doing reciprocal one-on-ones with a Machado BB.

In the UK I'd say there were a lot of top grapplers who aren't BJJ based - Rob Broughton, Dave Faulkner, Paul Cahoon, Tom Blackledge as well as a tonne of guys at Team Kaobon who've never put on a gi.

As for other non-bjj grapplers, the Luta Livre guys like Eddie Alvarez spring to mind. He's with a BJJ gym now for sure, but as mentioned on another thread he went there at their request to teach nogi, rather than giving up LL to train BJJ.

I'll take my Luta Livre ass off the BJJ forum now, sorry guys! :D

[oneshotkiller]

Apart from the guys mentioned above (including my coach obviously), I'd defo agree with the OP's choice of Karo Parisyan. The guy used to roll with all the BJJ guys in LA and by all accounts is nigh-on untappable. That and the fact that he used to throw Randy around (as mentioned by Randy, not by Karo) he's top drawer. He's all Judo as far as I can gather - he never joined in with Eddie's class at Legends although I did hear mention that he was doing reciprocal one-on-ones with a Machado BB.

In the UK I'd say there were a lot of top grapplers who aren't BJJ based - Rob Broughton, Dave Faulkner, Paul Cahoon, Tom Blackledge as well as a tonne of guys at Team Kaobon who've never put on a gi.

As for other non-bjj grapplers, the Luta Livre guys like Eddie Alvarez spring to mind. He's with a BJJ gym now for sure, but as mentioned on another thread he went there at their request to teach nogi, rather than giving up LL to train BJJ.

I'll take my Luta Livre ass off the BJJ forum now, sorry guys! :D

i dont think he's pure judo i think he's trained by gene lebell and a guy called gokor who teaches the hayastan system ( his own )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o63lZQnvsKA

[Duchman]

Apart from the guys mentioned above (including my coach obviously), I'd defo agree with the OP's choice of Karo Parisyan. The guy used to roll with all the BJJ guys in LA and by all accounts is nigh-on untappable. That and the fact that he used to throw Randy around (as mentioned by Randy, not by Karo) he's top drawer. He's all Judo as far as I can gather - he never joined in with Eddie's class at Legends although I did hear mention that he was doing reciprocal one-on-ones with a Machado BB.

In the UK I'd say there were a lot of top grapplers who aren't BJJ based - Rob Broughton, Dave Faulkner, Paul Cahoon, Tom Blackledge as well as a tonne of guys at Team Kaobon who've never put on a gi.

As for other non-bjj grapplers, the Luta Livre guys like Eddie Alvarez spring to mind. He's with a BJJ gym now for sure, but as mentioned on another thread he went there at their request to teach nogi, rather than giving up LL to train BJJ.

I'll take my Luta Livre ass off the BJJ forum now, sorry guys! :D

karo is not just judo. gokors school is very judo based, but also works alot of sambo etc. But hayestan, where karo grew up. Is a amazing gym.

Alvarez a Luta livre dude? His dad taught him how to fight in the basement, i believe (not a joke)

For sure PEQUENO.. he is amazing.. also imho pound for pound one of the strongest guy alive, Also robert leitoa Sr is amazing.
No worries waterboy. Luta livre is awesome :)

[Waterboy]

karo is not just judo. gokors school is very judo based, but also works alot of sambo etc. But hayestan, where karo grew up. Is a amazing gym.

Alvarez a Luta livre dude? His dad taught him how to fight in the basement, i believe (not a joke)

For sure PEQUENO.. he is amazing.. also imho pound for pound one of the strongest guy alive, Also robert leitoa Sr is amazing.
No worries waterboy. Luta livre is awesome :)

I always get Alvarez and JZ Cavalcante confused for some reason!

I will teach my sons how to fight in a basement, just in case they're ever trapped in one.

[Duchman]

hmmm no vids how strange ?

i've pretty much come to the conclusion that no matter what system a submission grappler uses it seems they have been influenced by bjj in some way or another it would seem bjj is the superiour system in my opinion anyway .

i think even those who do not train bjj work strategys on how to avoid playing the bjj game .

HE is the dude that got kicked out of adcc for slapping arona at adcc