Riot

[mma boss]

Anyone got ant info on the riot last night in doncaster?

[sol_dave]

edit ,due to reading first thread!

[Luke]

http://www.cagewarriors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38378

This riot, from Phoenix Fights?

QUOTE FROM ABOVE THREAD, NOT A QUOTE FROM ME

"Like many people tonight I am absolutely livid about what happened at Phoenix Fights 'Retribution'.

Now where shall I start...
Aptly name it was. Because throwing several hundred bottles and (amongst other things) a pool table from the balcony at an innocent crowd (including children, pregnant women etc) seems like fair retribution for a doctor stopppage due to an early freak/accidental split eye brow ...to a group of churlish morons.

If anyoneone knows anyone responsible for this riot then please turn them in, because they are not fit to walk amongst us as human beings.

I must also say, what the hell were the organisers doing, organising a show with no fewer than seventeen fights, two thousand(?) people in the venue, with zero security staff or cops present? ...especially after the dangers of this (just incase they could not work it out for themselves) had been pointed out to them.

So after over four heavy drinking hours in the venue – not that the time factor in anyway excuses the reprobates that were involed in the riot – it was 11:15PM and only eleven of the seventeen fights had been completed. The venue got trashed beyond belief. What must have been the entire police force of several surrounding towns piled into and around the venue. Phoenix or for that matter any MMA are never likely to be using that venue again. The twelve most highly rated fighters there have all wasted what will total between them several years of training. Newspapers are going to have a field day. Everyone, fighters, spectators, promoters, present or not present that evening will be a loser.

I repeat, will everyone please do all they can to track down, bring to legal justice, and ban from MMA venues, those individuals that were responsible for the indescriminate violence"

[Paul Murphy]

Ok firstly I was reffing there last night so lets get the facts correct before things get out of context. Luke I do however agree with your points about the idiot's.
There were 500 people in the venue, I know this because I assisted the promoter. The incident started at 10.20 however that's irrelavant.
95% of the crowd are regulars who love the sport, and families regularly attend.
However I really could do with this post removing purely for the reason that seven of them arseholes are in police custody and interviews are on going.
However the main reason is I don't want the pricks getting the attention.
Let the police do their job and lets hope the idiots are quickly forgotten about and left to rot.

Paul

[Valour5]

I feel a lot of the people who fight/train/follow MMA in this country give the reputation of the sport a very bad name.

Look at the Pro fighters in Japan, UFC, Brazil.... those at the top level are mainly gents who would distance themselves from any kind of trouble, bother, violence, shit like this etc.

In this country it's the total opposite, how many pro fighters often talk openly on here about there trials and tribulations with the law, getting into shit with the police, being in prison, getting arrested, getting into brawls on nights out, playing the hard doorman role in there sidejobs at weekends and knocking drunks out for virtually no reason etc etc... it's all bollocks.

The term proffessional MMA in this country leaves a lot to be desired and although I know i'll get a panning for saying this, I don't care.

[mma boss]

where was the security???????

[Paul Murphy]

I'm not the promoter but know him very well and can speak on his behalf. I was the ref and compere There was enough security there for this event I assure you but what the hell can you do against a BIG bunch of idiots who rain everything on the real supporters below. The security were straight in but were overpowered by a large gang of idiots who to be honest, knew exactly what they were doing and probably do it regular. They did throw a pool table over the balcony which stopped the rest of the security getting up the stairs and it was a large table, landing on the stairs blocking the whole area.The promoter & security then diverted the energy in keeping the real fans safe and got them out of the building.
Guys, this is a very serious incident with people in the cells already. I'd rather not give the arseholes the publicity.
Remove the thread for the sake of British mma, I'll be emailing all the promoters to warn against these fans. I feel for the fighters and coaches but to be honest they probably won't get to fight on a show outside of their home town again.

Paul

[Valour5]

I feel for the fighters and coaches but to be honest they probably won't get to fight on a show outside of their home town again.

Paul

Exactly. They arent just random idiots off the street, the majority were probably heavily connected/mates with those who were fighting were they not?

[SSJ]

This is one of the downsides to fightsports now. I have been to a few UK events where the vibe is very soccer thugish or gansta wannabe's.

It seems a certain element see 'Cage Fighting' as a perfect vehicle for legalised violence... It dosnt do it for me and now I tend to avoid many events.

Whats the solution?

Lee H.

[londonpride]

i dont agree with the "dont give them publicity".
these sort of scumbags arent after publicity, they're just cunts plain and simple. we shouldnt ignore it for the sake of "not giving them attention", quite the opposite. these cunts should be named and shamed, banned from any future events and made unwelcome in british mma from here on.
deleting threads and not talking about the incident will only work towards forgetting it, and , inevitably letting these scummy cunts get away with it. the justice system is a joke, no doubt they'll walk free. lets not make the same mistake eh, instead of covering up and hiding the incident, name and shame the scum and let them receive their dues....

[Dave Hirst]

how many pro fighters often talk openly on here about there trials and tribulations with the law, getting into shit with the police, being in prison, getting arrested, getting into brawls on nights out, playing the hard doorman role in there sidejobs at weekends and knocking drunks out for virtually no reason etc etc...

None that I can remember... can you point me in the direction of any posts on here?

[stu3ufc]

what happened to the remaining 7/8 fights of the night?

did the fights get cancelled?

[UltimatePunch]

[QUOTE=Valour5;363857]I feel a lot of the people who fight/train/follow MMA in this country give the reputation of the sport a very bad name.

Look at the Pro fighters in Japan, UFC, Brazil.... those at the top level are mainly gents who would distance themselves from any kind of trouble, bother, violence, shit like this etc.

In this country it's the total opposite, how many pro fighters often talk openly on here about there trials and tribulations with the law, getting into shit with the police, being in prison, getting arrested, getting into brawls on nights out, playing the hard doorman role in there sidejobs at weekends and knocking drunks out for virtually no reason etc etc... it's all bollocks.
QUOTE]

A few dicks throw a pool table and glass bottles and kick off like a bunch of cunts and now its the uk mma scene and pro fighters fault ?

Unfair mate, its not the case. Boxing and football has this problem aswell. UK MMA is growing and we will continue to attract dicks like this regardless of what fighters choose to talk about. Yet they are a minority and comments like that don't help.

[Valour5]

None that I can remember... can you point me in the direction of any posts on here?

In other words.... "Name names or shut the fuck up" :rolleyes:

[Valour5]

A few dicks throw a pool table and glass bottles and kick off like a bunch of cunts and now its the uk mma scene and pro fighters fault ?

No, but take a look at SOME fighters in the UK, they hardly set a good example, some of them are nothing but thugs who are given a license to fight.

As has been said before, the term being "proffessional" and fighting "Pro-rules" are two totally different things in this country.

[UltimatePunch]

Some footballers are thugs in the premiership

[Leesin]

In this country ? in every country mate, if you think you don't get your fair share of guys like that all over the world then you're naive.

Also yeah, name names or direct to the posts where these pro fighters are all talking about how they knock drunks out for no reason and go out getting into trouble with the law from illegal things they do, otherwise what you said just makes you sound like a twat.

[Dave Hirst]

Football has a much worse problem than MMA in this regard, but then again look at the way it's policed - troublemakers are identified and banned from attending fixtures, with the bans actually enforced. Regarding MMA, it's one thing having promotors saying 'I don't want them at my show' but realistically can you expect the people selling tickets on the door to be able to pick out the troublemakers?

[stu3ufc]

what happened to the remaining 7/8 fights of the night?

did the fights get cancelled?


?????????????anyone???????????

[Dave Hirst]

Apparently they did yeah... but I'm just going off the other thread.

[Valour5]

Also yeah, name names or direct to the posts where these pro fighters are all talking about how they knock drunks out for no reason and go out getting into trouble with the law from illegal things they do, otherwise what you said just makes you sound like a twat.

Why? to make me seem like billy big balls by "calling out" all these posters who fight proffessionally etc...?

No, I don't think so, you all probably know various people who could fall into the categorys I go on about and by people insisting I man up and name names etc just backs up the whole "Machismo"/"Big Lad" theory I have about a lot of UK MMA.

[stu3ufc]

Thanks Mr Hirst!

[Dave Hirst]

No it doesn't... I was just genuinely interested where this was being said because I don't remember seeing anything. You get a few faceless posters saying stuff like that but I don't think any of them are pro fighters, but I could be wrong but unless you know differently you're generalising massively and it's a bit insulting, so you should either point out where this is being said or retract your comment, and I mean that in the politest possible sense.

[rickb]

so do we know who's supporters were responsible?

[Valour5]

No it doesn't... I was just genuinely interested where this was being said because I don't remember seeing anything. You get a few faceless posters saying stuff like that but I don't think any of them are pro fighters, but I could be wrong but unless you know differently you're generalising massively and it's a bit insulting, so you should either point out where this is being said or retract your comment, and I mean that in the politest possible sense.

Fair one Dave but... I don't do dirty washing or mud slinging, for every person claiming they don't know what I'm on about (you) there will be a lot more who will have had names spring into there mind as they read my posts...

I just had a PM wrote out to send you but as I say, i'm not starting any wars and I can't be arsed to cause bother, i'm just stating my point.

[Leesin]

Why? to make me seem like billy big balls by "calling out" all these posters who fight proffessionally etc...?

No, I don't think so, you all probably know various people who could fall into the categorys I go on about and by people insisting I man up and name names etc just backs up the whole "Machismo"/"Big Lad" theory I have about a lot of UK MMA.

No, not at all mate, rather to back up the claims you are making, naming people who fit your claims isn't calling out, neither do you need balls to prove your point.

I know of some people that would fit your claims of course, they aren't all british either, there are also plenty of these type of guys in other Professional Sports so I dont see why you are trying to make a point of it.

No one is 'insisting' you man up and 'name names', simply back up your claims with facts to who all these seemingly imaginary people are other than the obvious few we all know about ?

Yet again you've made yourself seem like an even bigger twat, you sound like a child who is trying to make an argument and stating absurd claims at the same time. So please either shut the fuck up, or prove me wrong, because there are FAR more decent Professional Fighters who dedicate alot of time and effort to this sport than the ones who have a bad name and get into trouble with the police for doing illegal activities all the time.

[londonpride]

Football has a much worse problem than MMA in this regard, but then again look at the way it's policed - troublemakers are identified and banned from attending fixtures, with the bans actually enforced. Regarding MMA, it's one thing having promotors saying 'I don't want them at my show' but realistically can you expect the people selling tickets on the door to be able to pick out the troublemakers?

football is very strictly enforced these days. literally everywhere we went we had a few coppers following us with their handheld video camera. one filiming us, the other writing notes. putting us all on their database and keeping tabs. not to mention the S60's where the coppers can stop and search you at any time, fucking nightmare, i had one game where i was S60'd 8 times. they do like to bully football fans and look for easy arrests.
the bird time for football fighting is a joke too, mate of mine got 4 years for punching another fan who was actually offering it :rolleyes:

it wont be long before mma catches up, it probably needs to though.

[RGS1]

Been to this event in its previous form and under the new name/management a couple of times and not had any trouble.

It would be a shame if a group of idiots brought an end to MMA/kickboxing events at that venue, or in Rotherham in general.

[Valour5]

Yet again you've made yourself seem like an even bigger twat, you sound like a child who is trying to make an argument and stating absurd claims at the same time. So please either shut the fuck up, or prove me wrong, because there are FAR more decent Professional Fighters who dedicate alot of time and effort to this sport than the ones who have a bad name and get into trouble with the police for doing illegal activities all the time.

I'm just not going to go that far. Simple as, I really shouldn't be labled a twat for having an opinion, I did acknowledge in my first post that i'd get a panning on here for saying that I said.

[UltimatePunch]

I'm just not going to go that far. Simple as, I really shouldn't be labled a twat for having an opinion, I did acknowledge in my first post that i'd get a panning on here for saying that I said.

No one panning you. Im not. What im saying is this isnt just a uk mma problem. And whats said on here can be taken with a pinch of salt as this is the internet and theres alot of people on here that will say things but react differently in real life. But the outrage shown by most on here about whats happened is evidence enough that this site isnt full of knuckle dragging cave men that want to see mass violence. I doubt any that were involved post on here or express their opinions on here.

[rickb]

lets name the fans, are at least the team they were supporting so this wont happen again. atlest not from them

[ultimate force]

i will name them, fucking STOCKPORT MMA ban them from all events please. i call all promotions to ban them. DAVID SHERMADINE was the fighter and his fans were the cause after he lost his fight. STOCKPORT MMA you are all mindless wankers and hope you never fight again. let MMA move forward without you. you deserve nothing but a small cell.

[Garth Chops Hooters III]

This crap is all we need, our sport is constantly fighting a to be accepted as a legitamate elite sport, against a public perception that we are all thugs and hooligans with no skill & no brain & we're finally getting somewhere & now this! Its gonna set us back years! The best bit about it is I'll bet the tossers that caused all this, won't be fighters I bet they don't even train, they will be the same kind of arsehole that fights at football, big hard men when they are backed up by thier m8's with a gut full of booze but wouldn't dare climb in to a ring or cage and face someone who who knows what they are doing & can fight back. Make me wanna puke. Ban them please.

[Dave Hirst]

Valour5, I am very aware that there are pro fighters in the UK who might be involved in crime, and there might be fighters who frequently get into trouble on nights out etc. Lee Murray for instance, currently in some Moroccan jail and wanted on suspicion of a massive and unpleasant armed robbery.

The point is he didn't post on here and brag about it, others might have spoken about it but I don't believe the fighters themselves will be found on here bragging about their misdemeanours. If I'm wrong then please just PM me with links to a few threads to back up what you're saying and I'll gladly say you were right and we can leave this behind but if you won't or can't then please take back what you said because it's unfair.

[Kid Dynamite]

what happened to the remaining 7/8 fights of the night?

did the fights get cancelled?


?????????????anyone???????????

Ye mate all the fights got cancelled :-( i was ment to b fighting But it was gona be second to last fight on and when the riot started everyone had to leave So never got to fight. my fight was gona b the first Pro fight ever on the event But looks like they will never b any Pro fights on that Show Thats if there's even a Show again.

[Tommo]

Some footballers are thugs in the premiership

Was Steven Gerrard there then?

[NeilD]

fighters in japan are gentlemanly and legit?

I'm sure Pride and all their fighters were squeaky clean lol

[stu3ufc]

Ye mate all the fights got cancelled :-( i was ment to b fighting But it was gona be second to last fight on and when the riot started everyone had to leave So never got to fight. my fight was gona b the first Pro fight ever on the event But looks like they will never b any Pro fights on that Show Thats if there's even a Show again.

dude that sucks!:(

[sol_dave]

Was Steven Gerrard there then?

look what the cat dragged in :D

[mooron]

i will name them, fucking STOCKPORT MMA ban them from all events please. i call all promotions to ban them. DAVID SHERMADINE was the fighter and his fans were the cause after he lost his fight. STOCKPORT MMA you are all mindless wankers and hope you never fight again. let MMA move forward without you. you deserve nothing but a small cell.

Good Lad, Well Done!!!!!!!!!
Im sure im not the only one who thinks it either. Anyone who brings shit like that with them should never be booked to fight again.

[UltimatePunch]

Was Steven Gerrard there then?

ha ha ha no Cantona

[Tommo]

look what the cat dragged in :D

You know it mate... ;)

[peggle]

I feel a lot of the people who fight/train/follow MMA in this country give the reputation of the sport a very bad name.

Look at the Pro fighters in Japan, UFC, Brazil.... those at the top level are mainly gents who would distance themselves from any kind of trouble, bother, violence, shit like this etc.

In this country it's the total opposite, how many pro fighters often talk openly on here about there trials and tribulations with the law, getting into shit with the police, being in prison, getting arrested, getting into brawls on nights out, playing the hard doorman role in there sidejobs at weekends and knocking drunks out for virtually no reason etc etc... it's all bollocks.

The term proffessional MMA in this country leaves a lot to be desired and although I know i'll get a panning for saying this, I don't care.

I have to agree with this, I don't know why so many people are getting mad at this guy when what he says is self evidently true. It goes beyond the fighters though.

Of course different nationalities support mma in different ways and I'm not saying a crowd should be quietly appreciative and give a golf clap at every reversal or sub attempt like the Japanese (although I do think they are the best fans). But UK mma does have a very backward following and image, often self promoted, compared to some other countries. I actually think it's regressed, a while ago I thought bright "ideas" like getting Dave Courtney to auction off his favourite knuckle duster were behind us but I think with the scaling back in size of a lot of shows it's getting back to that.

When you have promotions fronted by bald headed bouncers going into spastic contortions about what a "tear up" every fight is going to be, really, what do you expect the overall image and progression of this sport to be here?

In Japan you have organisations like Deep, Pancrase, Shooto etc with esoteric names, recognisable individual style and a long tradition. Here every show is a forgettable acronym involving "cage" "warrior" "titan" blah blah - My point is the basic aesthetic is shit and geared to the lowest common denominator, I don't think it will ever particularly change to be honest.

Every month or so there is the "Lee Murray thread": regurgitating the fight with Tito and generally what a salt of the earth, lovable Cockney gangster he was (er, that held someones family up at gunpoint) it's pathetic really.

Lee H basically said as much in fewer words, this is the person that brought the sport to this country, if he's weary of it then it says a lot really.

[Mike Bishop]

Good post

Also interested to know the numbers of security on and police in attendance. Surely there should be sufficient security in place to handle a situation involving 25 people or less

[ocuana]

Appreciate that post Peggle. I think what valour5 was trying to express was difficult for him to back up but i felt the essence of it and it made sense. I admire the Japanese formula for MMA attendance, set up and respect for fighters (and other attendees). Our "culture" is still drowned out by the beer swilling Bulldog image, even if it is the loud minority, it has its impact and leaves a bitter taste. I appreciate that the event might suffer after last night but overcoming it long term, may improve the future promise of attendance and image. Where did the Bushido warrior spirit go to..., Have we really inherited the Bulldog vodka spirit instead?

[MiKeY B 20]

By the way, how did this guy lose? Drastic fashion i guess due to his "fans" making arses of themselves..

[Kid Dynamite]

dude that sucks!:(

ye mate after all the training i put in and the weight cutting Plus the fights iv turned down because i had this fight it Really SUCKS :-(

[kaizer]

So,
These lads from Stockport have a lot to answer for.

[zippy]

I dont think bringing the security into question is the answer to the problem, unfortunatley no matter how much security you have there will be a delay in response due to many factors, i.e. getting the correct amount of staff to that location, getting through crowds of people to tackle the instigators, the fact that people are fleeing away from the scene, etc, etc. If Mr Murphy says there was enough security I would tend to believe him based on his events I have been to.
At the end of the day if I am supporting a fighter and they lose, no matter how controversial or in what manner, my natural instinct is to have a few drinks to drown my sorrows, go to a night club and TRY to dance my blues away and then end the night by comfort eating via a donnor kebab. I normally find this does the trick.
I can certainly say I dont have the urge "TO THROW A FUCKING POOL TABLE AT A CROWD"

Mindless thugs are just mindless thugs and whether they go cagefighting, football, ballet, childrens circus, they will still cause trouble and violence and be mindless thugs. Not the events fault or the promoters but the fault of a few human beings wired up wrong.

Just my opinion.

[thinkrandom]

The thing that has always tickled my mind is the atmosphere/attitude of a Rugby match - many sports (especially football) have a lot to learn from the way things are done and if a sport like MMA (still in its infancy) can use this as example a very bright future will remain.

Just a shame that people do attend events with that whole thug/blood thirsty attitude which unfortunately spoils for the other innocent 90% (guesstimate!).

[MsgnpBren]

On a lighter note i'd like to thank Reece Iverson for putting on a great fight with me, the kid is tough as hell. And besides all the mindless violence it was shaping up to be a good show :(

[boxingbrit]

Valour5, maybe the reactions you get on here are due to opinionated posts where you seem to know fuck all but like to put down guys who not only train and fight full time but also put a lot of effort into helping other people in the sports shows by judging commentating etc.

I try to ignore your posts but your constant holier than thou attitude is grating.

[iandean]

I have to agree with this, I don't know why so many people are getting mad at this guy when what he says is self evidently true. It goes beyond the fighters though.

Of course different nationalities support mma in different ways and I'm not saying a crowd should be quietly appreciative and give a golf clap at every reversal or sub attempt like the Japanese (although I do think they are the best fans). But UK mma does have a very backward following and image, often self promoted, compared to some other countries. I actually think it's regressed, a while ago I thought bright "ideas" like getting Dave Courtney to auction off his favourite knuckle duster were behind us but I think with the scaling back in size of a lot of shows it's getting back to that.

When you have promotions fronted by bald headed bouncers going into spastic contortions about what a "tear up" every fight is going to be, really, what do you expect the overall image and progression of this sport to be here?

In Japan you have organisations like Deep, Pancrase, Shooto etc with esoteric names, recognisable individual style and a long tradition. Here every show is a forgettable acronym involving "cage" "warrior" "titan" blah blah - My point is the basic aesthetic is shit and geared to the lowest common denominator, I don't think it will ever particularly change to be honest.

Every month or so there is the "Lee Murray thread": regurgitating the fight with Tito and generally what a salt of the earth, lovable Cockney gangster he was (er, that held someones family up at gunpoint) it's pathetic really.

Lee H basically said as much in fewer words, this is the person that brought the sport to this country, if he's weary of it then it says a lot really.

Sorry about promoting MMA so badly

I do try and tone down my gangster image but this life chose me not the other way round.

[The Gimp]

The thing that has always tickled my mind is the atmosphere/attitude of a Rugby match - many sports (especially football) have a lot to learn from the way things are done and if a sport like MMA (still in its infancy) can use this as example a very bright future will remain.

Just a shame that people do attend events with that whole thug/blood thirsty attitude which unfortunately spoils for the other innocent 90% (guesstimate!).

As my father once said:

"Rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen. Football is a gentlemen's game played by hooligans"

Rugby Union is a university-played game that has a following of university graduates (of all ages). Before the game became professional the players were assorted lawyers, bankers, solicitors and other 'professions'.

Football is a working-class game with a working class following, just like boxing*. Boxing is violent and attracts violence due to its uneducated crowd (in a schoolastic sense). MMA is violent and ergo attracts violence.

* Check out the documentary 'The End' about the East End gangsters and other assorted persons - including Jimmy Tibbs.

[pedro17]

Rugby league is as working class as they come and that doesnt require segregation of any kind. Only time there is trouble it is from the football element with the likes of Hull and Leeds during the football off season.

[chubb666]

name and shame

[Valour5]

Valour5, maybe the reactions you get on here are due to opinionated posts where you seem to know fuck all but like to put down guys who not only train and fight full time but also put a lot of effort into helping other people in the sports shows by judging commentating etc.

I knew i'd get panned. I don't mind that... it's just my opinion and it counts for nothing, id never badmouth anyone by name as I simply don't have the right, nor do I care that much tbh. And to be fair, i'm not the only one who has echoed these sentiments on this thread, and others.

To say I have a 'Holier than thou' attitude is a tad unfair tbh... when do I ever make refference to anything like I have on this thread (for virtually the first time).

[TheUnfitOne]

Always makes me chuckle how many people I see at MMA shows from the UFC at the O2 to much smaller shows that are so clearly 'charged off their chops'

Makes me wonder if I was as obvious as them when I used to be naughty

:)

[mcgovern]

lol at charged off their chops

[The Gimp]

Rugby league is as working class as they come and that doesnt require segregation of any kind. Only time there is trouble it is from the football element with the likes of Hull and Leeds during the football off season.

Rugby league is one of the most 'violent' games. You can smash the crap out of your opponent within the rules, so there is no come back from the fans.

Plus their educated northerners. Ish

[Hywel Teague]

As my father once said:

"Rugby is a hooligans game played by gentlemen. Football is a gentlemen's game played by hooligans"

Rugby Union is a university-played game that has a following of university graduates (of all ages). Before the game became professional the players were assorted lawyers, bankers, solicitors and other 'professions'.
Much like the pie munchers from the North who follow league, the majority of players from the Welsh valleys weren't professionals either, but very much working class.

[Ben]

mma is a very violent sport unfortunately alot of the shows I have been to have a fair proportion of coked up piss artists in the crowd. There is a definite difference between the educated fans who know the game and those who are there to see someone "get hit in the facking head"

One of the shows I went to in the north east I was pretty sure I was the only person there with hair and no tattoos

[TheUnfitOne]

...One of the shows I went to in the north east I was pretty sure I was the only person there with hair and no tattoos

Bender..........

[hellboy]

i have been to stockport mma loads ov times ian the head coach is a true gent and its the most welcoming gym in the manchester area. everyones nice and noone takes the piss when rolling. the quality ov rolling is top level

i also know dave shelmodine. really niceguy not an attitude at all hes a workin family man. i wasnt their but from what i have been told it was an altercation between local fans and manchester fans. 2 out ov the 8 people arrested were from manchester the rest wernt so it wasnt just stockports fans

i dont think you should lable the gym coz it really is a nice gym with really nice lads training their. just one ov them things. scally getting drunk and thinking they can fight and drowning out the brilliant work that the trainers and fighters do. it happens all over the world i have seen it a million times at boxing shows football matches ect

the people that did this dont go to the gym after work they go for a pint and dont have early nights on fridays for training on sat morning. they go on weekend sessions taking drugs and getting into street fights.

i feel sorry for the promoter tho. nice guy lost a load ov money now tho

[ChrissyS]

I have no problem saying I traveled up with the two Stockport fighters and their families, I can safely say none of them were involved in any of the violence and were just as quick to get the hell out of that venue as the rest of crowd.

It's a shame that the same of football hooliganism, the idiots who don't go to support the gym or the fighters can tarnish the name of the fighters / gym themselves, as if these budding fighters would want anything like that following them around. They wouldn't get anywhere! They have entered the sport professionally and from what I have heard after the events they got themselves out safe and weren't involved or know any of the involved.

It's a scary thing when people just start off trouble for no reason. From what I saw the banter from downstairs and upstairs just got worse and worse and I think no matter what the result was going to be that something was going to occur, then swearing and plastic cups getting thrown up top just started off the riots that ensued.

It definitely wasn't 'fans' that started off anything in my opinion, just thugs who went along for a fight.. and not to watch one..

Just glad everyone decent and who went there for the right reason got out ok and unharmed!

[boxingbrit]

I knew i'd get panned. I don't mind that... it's just my opinion and it counts for nothing, id never badmouth anyone by name as I simply don't have the right, nor do I care that much tbh. And to be fair, i'm not the only one who has echoed these sentiments on this thread, and others.

To say I have a 'Holier than thou' attitude is a tad unfair tbh... when do I ever make refference to anything like I have on this thread (for virtually the first time).

I aint that interested to read through your past posts, just pointing out how you have comne across to me in the past. On this point i agree that it would be wise to try to promote to a different element to those described in this thread but your attitude to me against myself and other fighters who are friends has been consistently bad and with no backing.

This is why I can see why people would then react to you offensively and it i laughable you then try to play the victim

[mmafighter999]

It was a good night some great fights and suddenly BANG shit hit the fan and the trouble started. So stockport mma fans are to blame but only a few they knew what they were doing cos they blocked both staircases and security and a few fighters such as me and half the contestants ran to help but they kept throwing bottles down etc it was a bad night so next time im sure people can pull it together and im sure paul murphy and the security team will secure a new venue and get phoenix going good again.