VIDEO EXCLUSIVE Dana White feels the wrath of UK MMA fans

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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/garethadavies/100000479/exclusive-dana-white-apologises-to-uk-fans-over-ufc-100-tv-deal/

Dana White explains...and says you are after his blood on twitter

[MrWinstonChurchill]

He fucked up.

[kissenger]

I noticed that he kind of sidestepped the issue of the quality of the stream, which is what those of us without Sky care about. That makes me think it's going to be not that great, which sucks for us.

But thanks for stepping up and asking the questions people want asked, Gareth.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Who cares if they spent 8 million? - I doubt they really did.

They would have made millions since they broke into the UK market.

They would have made an extra £50 off me if they put the fucking show on PPV.

BUNCH OF FUCKING CUNTS!

[Tom_]

Who cares if they spent 8 million? - I doubt they really did.

They would have made millions since they broke into the UK market.

They would have made an extra £50 off me if they put the fucking show on PPV.

BUNCH OF FUCKING CUNTS!

£50?

But yeah they've made millions and Dana saying they lost 8 million dollars in the US is ridiculous and a poor excuse because of the money they've made in the UK and europe and will continue to make. I like Dana and I enjoy watching his blogs but that was a stupid thing to say and you would have to be thick to accept that excuse. Think of the money he will rake in when they slap the thing on box office and take an extra £15 a month off each of us.

[CraigA]

They might have spent $8 million but thats over all the shows they have done and they have made there money back and some. I like Dana White but what a prick, with leaving it this late they could have put it on ITV and had a massive audience but they are now are probably going to struggle to even get 350,000 like they got TUF9 finale.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I noticed that he kind of sidestepped the issue of the quality of the stream, which is what those of us without Sky care about. That makes me think it's going to be not that great, which sucks for us.

But thanks for stepping up and asking the questions people want asked, Gareth.

Very true!

I'm going to join Twitter and call him a cunt!

[MrWinstonChurchill]

£50?

But yeah they've made millions and Dana saying they lost 8 million dollars in the US is ridiculous and a poor excuse because of the money they've made in the UK and europe and will continue to make. I like Dana and I enjoy watching his blogs but that was a stupid thing to say and you would have to be thick to accept that excuse. Think of the money he will rake in when they slap the thing on box office and take an extra £15 a month off each of us.

I would have paid £50

If I had the time I would have gotten SKY!

[SirFapsAlot]

Moral of the story, get sky.

[baz_main]

am happy with the way everything is lol

[Tom_]

They might have spent $8 million but thats over all the shows they have done and they have made there money back and some. I like Dana White but what a prick, with leaving it this late they could have put it on ITV and had a massive audience but they are now are probably going to struggle to even get 350,000 like they got TUF9 finale.

Spot on, it's pretty poor to leave it until the last minute as well, leaving many with no option, if it's free why not have it on a terestrial channel like you say, even ITV2 or dave or something would be better because all the millions of potential new viewers with freeview boxes, he seriously has fucked up a big opportunity to build the sport, I've lost respect for him.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Christ! The SKY cunts are taking over this thread with their gloating!

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Spot on, it's pretty poor to leave it until the last minute as well, leaving many with no option, if it's free why not have it on a terestrial channel like you say, even ITV2 or dave or something would be better because all the millions of potential new viewers with freeview boxes, he seriously has fucked up a big opportunity to build the sport, I've lost respect for him.

Dana White has always been a lucky cunt.

He did not build the UFC - Lorenzo Fertitta did. Dana White is just a slag for the media.

Look what that cunt said about Fedor?

[Tom_]

Moral of the story, get sky.

I've got sky but you're missing the point, he bangs on about making the sport grow yet he limits the biggest mma event of all time to people who either have sky or broadband, now that drastically reduces the amount of viewers especially when you give them a couple of days notice, it's not like you can have sky or broadband put in in 2 days is it.

millions of people have freeview boxes and virgin media and he's alienated them and given them no option.

[brogan]

am happy with the way everything is lol

Literally ?!

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Has amyone seen an advert for UFC 100 on SKY yet?

[SirFapsAlot]

millions of people have freeview boxes and virgin media and he's alienated them and given them no option.

He's gave them the option to watch the fights for free on a live stream via UFC.com.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

And did not answer when asked if the stream would be any good!

[Tom_]

He's gave them the option to watch the fights for free on a live stream via UFC.com.

Oh my god you really are a dick, as I mentioned not everybody has a broadband connection, even then who the fuck would choose to watch a stream?

[SirFapsAlot]

Oh my god you really are a dick, as I mentioned not everybody has a broadband connection, even then who the fuck would choose to watch a stream?

People with no sky?

[Tom_]

People with no sky?

Dear lord jesus christ please save me from these fucking thick bastards on the internet, good night.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Don't worry Tom - He is just a troll!

[mack3333]

Do you think it's that easy for the UFC to just call up a terrestrial channel and say "whatever shows and advertising you have running for 9 hours on Saturday, get rid of them and put us on!" It's not that simple people. Do you seriously think he would rather have it on a dead racing channel than ITV? Tell me another one. Setanta fucked up and the UFC had to try and pick these pieces up in the run up to the biggest show ever. NOT EASY. UFC 100 is keping them kind of busy you know.

[brogan]

I've got sky but you're missing the point, he bangs on about making the sport grow yet he limits the biggest mma event of all time to people who either have sky or broadband, now that drastically reduces the amount of viewers especially when you give them a couple of days notice, it's not like you can have sky or broadband put in in 2 days is it.

millions of people have freeview boxes and virgin media and he's alienated them and given them no option.

I had wait two week get Virgin Media, I'm not certain what the crack is with Sky installation ??

I think he could have done better for us..

[MrWinstonChurchill]

People Knew Setanta was dead in the water weeks ago - The UFC should have had a back up plan.

And the UFC does not need 9 hours - They just need enough time for the live show.

WTF does SKY Sports have on at 3 in the morning? Why can't they show it?

[baz_main]

Do you think it's that easy for the UFC to just call up a terrestrial channel and say "whatever shows and advertising you have running for 9 hours on Saturday, get rid of them and put us on!" It's not that simple people. Do you seriously think he would rather have it on a dead racing channel than ITV? Tell me another one. Setanta fucked up and the UFC had to try and pick these pieces up in the run up to the biggest show ever. NOT EASY. UFC 100 is keping them kind of busy you know.

spot on dude

[brogan]

Do you think it's that easy for the UFC to just call up a terrestrial channel and say "whatever shows and advertising you have running for 9 hours on Saturday, get rid of them and put us on!" It's not that simple people. Do you seriously think he would rather have it on a dead racing channel than ITV? Tell me another one. Setanta fucked up and the UFC had to try and pick these pieces up in the run up to the biggest show ever. NOT EASY. UFC 100 is keping them kind of busy you know.

Does anyone actually know what channels UFC asked to put them on ( apart from Sky 433 ) ??

[baz_main]

to be honest in could ave been a lot worse the whole of the uk might have had to watched on line, so look on the bright side

[brogan]

There is no bright side for me !

But like I just asked,

Does anyone actually know what channels UFC asked to put them on ( apart from Sky 433 ) ??

[darthcrab]

Do you think it's that easy for the UFC to just call up a terrestrial channel and say "whatever shows and advertising you have running for 9 hours on Saturday, get rid of them and put us on!" It's not that simple people. Do you seriously think he would rather have it on a dead racing channel than ITV? Tell me another one. Setanta fucked up and the UFC had to try and pick these pieces up in the run up to the biggest show ever. NOT EASY. UFC 100 is keping them kind of busy you know.

yeah, but he also said they was close to another deal but it didnt come through... so maybe it is easy, and they hung out for some money... considering this is being streamed live online for free, then they could have put it on virgin 1, or channel 5, but they didt, for some reason its gone on some weirdo station, only sky guys can get, tomorrow im looking for a sky dish to put on my wall, and get in the loft and get my old box out..

[Sinko]

Why are people acting like Dana did this to personally spite them or something ffs?

[Russuk]

cos people are tossers!! short fuckin term memories !

[kissenger]

Yeah, some people are overreacting, but you gotta sympathise: this is the biggest, best, most unmissable UFC event ever and the TV stuff was only sorted today, 2 days before the event, and a lot of people will now have to watch a crappy internet stream.

[brogan]

It's disappointing for some of us and obviously we feel as if more could have been done for us all.

[mack3333]

yeah, but he also said they was close to another deal but it didnt come through... so maybe it is easy, and they hung out for some money... considering this is being streamed live online for free, then they could have put it on virgin 1, or channel 5, but they didt, for some reason its gone on some weirdo station, only sky guys can get, tomorrow im looking for a sky dish to put on my wall, and get in the loft and get my old box out..


Well, the fact that they're putting it on for free, shows that they aren't money grabbing. It's obviously the best they could get on short notice.

[londonpride]

the whinging is getting beyond a joke now.
people were so fucking spoilt with setanta, now the toys are coming out.
the ufc cannot accomodate everyone, not on such short notice.
most countries in the world only show the events on PPV or paid tv, it's not as though the uk are suffering worse off.

people fucking expecting a major event to be free to tv for them :rolleyes:
at the end of the day it is a business, why should they make a massive loss for the sake of some spoilt mma fans who want everything for nothing?

the ufc were given just a few weeks to re-negotiate massive, mega million quid deals, it just wasn't possible, especially when one deal fell through at the last minute. there wasn't the time for them to achieve an ideal situation. no doubt things will be ironed out after this event but for now, on short notice, the ufc have done well. they've given the event a temporary home on sky and provided people the ability to watch online. people expecting them to negotiate massive deals on free to air tv in a few weeks :rolleyes: just ignorance to what that actually entails.

just swallow.

[londonpride]

Yeah, some people are overreacting, but you gotta sympathise: this is the biggest, best, most unmissable UFC event ever and the TV stuff was only sorted today, 2 days before the event, and a lot of people will now have to watch a crappy internet stream.

ah what a shame for them, they have my full sympathies :rolleyes:
by some of their reactions were to go by the world is coming to an end. if not getting to watch one ufc live is the worst thing that will happen to them this month then they're laughing.

they can always be patient and just better quality streams sunday morning.

[dramacydal2002]

yeah think everyone is over-reacting, I live in france, cant get sky, cant speak french, and dont have broadband! :(

[Augustus Gloop]

what a bunch of tossers. people moaned when it was on bravo cos of adverts, moaned when it wasnt on bravo, moaned when it went to sentanta cos of the extra subscription, moaned when it wasnt, moaning now its on free on sky, and they would moan if it wasnt

be glad its available. if you cant watch it, do what everyone else did when there was no mma on tv...download it after.

christ there was a time people were happy watching a 3rd generation vhs copy cos thats the only way they could get to watch any shows in the uk. at least now you can get a top quality digital copy a few hours after the show.

and if you moan cos you aint got sky or broadband then your a cheapskate & deserve nothing anyway. now fuck off

[Rob T]

I love how some people must have brilliant insider info on the UFC. First off, you know for sure they are making money on UK shows, secondly you know that they left it until last minute to get a TV deal. How? What info do you have to back this up?

lol at people thinking they weren't trying to sort out a TV deal from the moment Setanta went pop.

Like Dana White said, they obviously want to be on the channel which will get most viewers. If they had something in the works and couldn't finalise the deal (maybe Virgin wouldn't guarantee not to cut fights, like they did with the Finale? Maybe VM subscribers should think of that before blaming the UFC) then they had to go with 433 and so decided to also stream it live.

[Rob T]

christ there was a time people were happy watching a 3rd generation vhs copy cos thats the only way they could get to watch any shows in the uk. at least now you can get a top quality digital copy a few hours after the show.

Good call.

The only way I used to get UFC was by ordering Russian VHS versions!!

[Augustus Gloop]

oh yeah, i forgot to add into my post "people moaned when it was on virgin cos of the editing & now are moaning cos its not on virgin"

[Josh Palmer]

I think Dana has done a great job resolving this issue. Of course they want the biggest platform possible and even if this setup was a plan b, it's a very decent solution.

Once again we are getting it for free which is great. I don't care if some of you would have paid for it on PPV. At 3am in the morning, most people in the UK wouldn't pay for it on PPV so this has to be a far better solution, especially as most viewers will in all likelyhood, sky+ it and watch it back at their leisure on Sunday.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Just fucking lol at the dumb cunts that are telling everyone not to moan - They fucking have SKY and it's easy for them to preach like a bunch of wankers!

Rob T - Their new game sold 750,000 copies within the first couple of days - The UFC is making a lot of money in the UK.

Has there been any adverts about the 'UFC Channel' on SKY yet? Are they giving it a big push?

[Rob T]

Just fucking lol at the dumb cunts that are telling everyone not to moan - They fucking have SKY and it's easy for them to preach like a bunch of wankers!

Rob T - Their new game sold 750,000 copies within the first couple of days - The UFC is making a lot of money in the UK.

How much does it cost them to put on an event over here? Do you have any idea? No. Nor do I.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

They sell out every event. I doubt they are making a loss and they fill the card with low paid fighters.

Have you been to any live UFC events in the UK? I have.

They have a big market for DVDs - They are making a lot of money in the UK.

Answer the question about SKY - Have you seen any adverts for the 'UFC Channel' yet?

[Rob T]

I don't watch TV, I have no idea about advertising.

Yes, I have been to a UFC event. End of the day you have to admit you have no idea whatsoever whether they are making money each event, whether they have broken even on the UK as a whole etc... It's all speculation. Just like every event when the salaries get published and the idiots start up with "I can't believe FIGHTER only got paid $X" etc...

[Josh Palmer]

They sell out every event. I doubt they are making a loss and they fill the card with low paid fighters.


Yet they offer almost every UK event for free in US which is stripping them of the vast majority of their revenue for the event. The agte at most events means almost nothing compared to PPV.



Have you been to any live UFC events in the UK? I have.


I have been to several events in both the UK and Las Vegas.



They have a big market for DVDs - They are making a lot of money in the UK.


I have only ever bought one UFC DVD (Tito Vs Ken Vendetta) - that was years ago before I knew what torrents were. I also train with alot of different people and I know almost none who actually own any official DVDs.


Answer the question about SKY - Have you seen any adverts for the 'UFC Channel' yet?

I haven't watched any TV since they announced it so I can't say.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

It's not speculation.

They have sold out every event.

Their new game sold 750,000 copies within the first couple of days.

Major stores on the high street carry their DVDs.

[Josh Palmer]

It
They have sold out every event.


Which means absolutely nothing! The gate at live events is pittence compared to the PPV which they negate on nearly all UK shows.

[Rob T]

It's not speculation.

They have sold out every event.

Their new game sold 750,000 copies within the first couple of days.

Major stores on the high street carry their DVDs.

If it's not speculation then please give me a detailed breakdown of the UFC income and expense for UK operations...

[John@FightersOnly]

I've got sky but you're missing the point, he bangs on about making the sport grow yet he limits the biggest mma event of all time to people who either have sky or broadband, now that drastically reduces the amount of viewers especially when you give them a couple of days notice, it's not like you can have sky or broadband put in in 2 days is it.

millions of people have freeview boxes and virgin media and he's alienated them and given them no option.

i dont think you can personally blame dana white for this

setanta went under, they were left scrambling for a broadcast partner

they then have to negotiate with x amount of potential broadcasters

its not a case pf phoning ITV and saying "put this on your channel on staurday night " and ITV going "oh yes mr white, thank you sir"

First of all, ITV wouldnt want it for their mainstream channel and ITV4 has no money, which is why cage gladiator broadcasts went by the wayside

with the other channels they spoke to, obviously the price has to be right and also the timing - perhaps certain channels already had programming scheduled and couldnt change that at late notice without breaching exisiting contractual obligations?

as for the money, just because its short notice they cant bend over a barrel and pull their pants down. Once you give something away or charge a low price for it, it becomes difficult to raise your price afterwards. Were they supposed to devalue the price of their product for the sake of one event?

from what i know there have been hours and hours of complex and torturous negotiations trying to get UFC 100 on UK tv; the amount of people bleating as if dana white or ufc execs have personally and deliberately set out to put the show on the racing channel is ridiculous. Setanta crashed and it was a late notice fuck-up that left them scrambling; I'm surprised they actually got it onto a UK broadcaster at all.

oh and, they lost a fortune on at least the first three big uk shows, thanks to poor dollar-to-sterling exchange rates, relatively low PPV sales in the US thanks to weird broadcast times, and high marketing costs. UFC 70 in manchester, the entire city was wallpapered with UFC posters, plus ads in all the mags and papers etc. I know people love UFC bashing and I am no apologist, but cut them some slack, its not a big conspiracy against everyone!

[John@FightersOnly]

They have sold out every event.


they havent

they might have a capacity crowd at events, but that is not the same thing as selling out. There are several thousdand comp tickets given out sometimes.

and ufc 95 wasnt capacity even with the comps.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

This is going to sound a little gay - But I'm pissed that I can watch the UFC and I'm pissed that I can't give them my money.

I was one of the few people who was happy those Pirate Bay guys were given a year in prison - I don't want to use a torrent site.

Sales of their new game shows they have a huge market in the UK - 750,000 copies in the first few days is insane! That would have made them millions.

[John@FightersOnly]

I was one of the few people who was happy those Pirate Bay guys were given a year in prison - I don't want to use a torrent site.

did they get jail time? never saw that. pirate bay is still up though? i used it yesterday for.. er.. a film...


Sales of their new game shows they have a huge market in the UK - 750,000 copies in the first few days is insane! That would have made them millions.

certainly will have made money but there's a split to be made with THQ, plus marketing fees, shipping, pressing, printing... that video game revenue may not have found its way back to the ufc from the retail stream yet and even if it has, it may not be immediately accessible liquid assets depending on the structure of the company.

but even if they made £300 million truckloads of cash - whats that got to do with broadcasting ufc 100 in the uk?

[Rob T]

Sales of their new game shows they have a huge market in the UK - 750,000 copies in the first few days is insane! That would have made them millions.

So this is your detailed breakdown of how much they are making? "Millions"?

Can you let me know how much it costs to put on a UFC event?

Where have you got this 750k first day sales in the UK from btw? Have you got a source for that figure?

[MrWinstonChurchill]

They got a year: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8003799.stm

Do you think the UFC is making a loss on live events in the UK?

Could they have put an HD UFC 100 on PPV?

[Rob T]

but even if they made £300 million truckloads of cash - whats that got to do with broadcasting ufc 100 in the uk?

Don't you know that's how successful business models work? :rolleyes: If you make money in one area you chuck it all away in another! ;)

[MrWinstonChurchill]

So this is your detailed breakdown of how much they are making? "Millions"?

Can you let me know how much it costs to put on a UFC event?

Where have you got this 750k first day sales in the UK from btw? Have you got a source for that figure?

Yes. I'll find the links in the press.

[Rob T]

Do you think the UFC is making a loss on live events in the UK?

Nice way of totally avoiding all the questions. I have no idea whether they are making a loss or not but I know Dana White said it cost them money for the first 3 events over here (I haven't heard him comment on it since then).

[Grake]

This is going to sound a little gay - But I'm pissed that I can watch the UFC and I'm pissed that I can't give them my money.

I was one of the few people who was happy those Pirate Bay guys were given a year in prison - I don't want to use a torrent site.

Sales of their new game shows they have a huge market in the UK - 750,000 copies in the first few days is insane! That would have made them millions.

i pressume you must be "the mighty bishop" on the underground forum?

every post over there has the bad c word in it lol.... anyone else reading that thread?.....talk about giving the uk a bad name

[MrWinstonChurchill]

That's me.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Nice way of totally avoiding all the questions. I have no idea whether they are making a loss or not but I know Dana White said it cost them money for the first 3 events over here (I haven't heard him comment on it since then).

That question was directed at the guy from Fighters Only.

[Rob T]

That question was directed at the guy from Fighters Only.

So? I can still give you my answer.

[Josh Palmer]

That's me.

Hmm I just read the UG and I have to say: you really are a pathetic individual.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Hmm I just read the UG and I have to say: you really are a pathetic individual.

I think you are a prick.

[Josh Palmer]

I think you are a prick.

Perhaps but judging from the vox populi I'm not at all alone in my statement.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

Like I give a fuck what people think.

[John@FightersOnly]

Do you think the UFC is making a loss on live events in the UK?

i dont have the facts available to comment on recent shows, but i know they took a big hit on the first few.

but as someone said above, PPV sales are what drives the UFC revenues for the most part so when that revenue stream is inactive for a UK show, it certainly hammers their turnover for that event.

The UFC is approaching the UK and Europe as a long-term project though, so the shows up till now could all be loss-leaders, who knows? As you said, sales of the gam are through the roof so maybe they recoup any losses there.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I'm just pissed off. If any of you read that thread on MMA.TV you will see that I'm not a not fan. I've been following the UFC since 1999. Not being able to watch it on TV has been a hard pill to take.

[Rob T]

I'm just pissed off. If any of you read that thread on MMA.TV you will see that I'm not a not fan. I've been following the UFC since 1999. Not being able to watch it on TV has been a hard pill to take.

No one is going to criticise you for being annoyed you can't watch it, it's just the retarded shit you are coming out with about Dana White being "a cunt" which people are on your case about.

Also, your knowledge of business practice seems pretty poor from your rants.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

From what I've seen in the shops and at live events I do not think they are making a loss in the UK - I will be 110% sure they won't be making a loss if they sign with ESPN.

[Rob T]

From what I've seen in the shops and at live events I do not think they are making a loss in the UK - I will be 110% sure they won't be making a loss if they sign with ESPN.

Again, can you give us any figures to back up these claims?

You are making statements without any foundation.

[MrWinstonChurchill]

You want me to break everything down - That will take sometime. I will give it a go.

I have a question - Does anyone know if the new ESPN Channel will be HD?

[Grake]

yeh it will be hd, channel 443 http://www.whathifi.com/news/ESPN-to-launch-new-channel-for-Premier-League-football-complete-with-HD/
noting to say that is where the ufc will end up though

[MrWinstonChurchill]

i pressume you must be "the mighty bishop" on the underground forum?

every post over there has the bad c word in it lol.... anyone else reading that thread?.....talk about giving the uk a bad name

Don't worry about the UG.

Tito posted this yesterday:

"FUTA1 - You guys have stuped to an all time low! Must be sitting in front of a computer on your fat ass with nothing better to do but talk shit. Is your wife fat or are you to fat? Think about it. Have you ever heard of "If you cant say anything nice dont say anything at all".
I'm done with this site. Fuckoff!
Tito Ortiz"

[Augustus Gloop]

I'm just pissed off. If any of you read that thread on MMA.TV you will see that I'm not a not fan. I've been following the UFC since 1999. Not being able to watch it on TV has been a hard pill to take.
you said before you didnt like torrent sites

if youve been following since 1999 how on earth did you watch the older events? did you get it on tv then?

you really are a prick. at least if you are going to keep on then try & make some sense

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I used to buy tapes.

[Augustus Gloop]

I used to buy tapes.
then wait til the dvd is released & watch it then

[Grake]

i think the hotel idea is your best bet.....

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I've booked a hotel!

[Keerin]

I've booked a hotel!

What a guy!

You shoulda just look on couchsurfing websites and pretended you were foreign. Couchsurf with someone that had sky!

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I'm looking forward to it.

[Augustus Gloop]

i assume you checked they have full tv for that channel? would be very funny if they didnt

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I did.

I used my Hilton card so I got a discount.

All I need is some Chicken Cottage and it will be like being at home!

[Brian Elliott]

noting to say that is where the ufc will end up though
http://www.cagewarriors.com/forums/showpost.php?p=382377&postcount=1
"No news IS good news."

[Augustus Gloop]

chicken cottage?

is that like a toilet where male chickens go to pick up other male chickens? (im almost afraid to use the word "cock"!!!)

[MrWinstonChurchill]

http://www.chickencottage.com/welcome.html - I love Chicken Cottage.

You can't beat a couple of spicy wraps and diet cherry coke!

[purist]

It's not speculation.

They have sold out every event.

Their new game sold 750,000 copies within the first couple of days.

Major stores on the high street carry their DVDs.

Pretty sure 95 wasnt sold out.....lots of empty seats by me. Loads up on the upper level too.

[Grake]

I've booked a hotel!

now all you need is http://www.mckenziesescorts.co.uk/ and you night will be complete :p

[MrWinstonChurchill]

I've had a a crazy life!

Lions Den tryout and now I work in porn!