Instuctor question

[The Natural]

I have found a purple belt instructor in gi bjj..he has trained with some of the best mmafighters and instructors that there are in mma and bjj eg Rickson, carlson snr and this aint a 'bullshit mcdojo' claim to fame I know this for fact.

My problem..the instructor aint in 'fighting shape'..he still rolls but conditioning aint his best attribute..he has a ton of technique and advice about positions and finishes etc.

So i get to my question - Does it really matter if ur instructor aint in Fighting shape?

I like to be tapped by the guys instructing, but thats just me..
Is this the wrong attitude?

Should instructing simply be about the passing down of techniques and experiences or should he still be capale of kicking my ass everytime we step onto the mat?

Any opinions would be appreciated..

[Jamie Taylor]

So i get to my question - Does it really matter if ur instructor aint in Fighting shape?

I like to be tapped by the guys instructing, but thats just me..
Is this the wrong attitude?

Should instructing simply be about the passing down of techniques and experiences or should he still be capale of kicking my ass everytime we step onto the mat?

Any opinions would be appreciated..

Hmm, if it's privates then I would say yes otherwise you will never get to try out the techniques he has shown you in a live situation because of his poor conditioning.

In a class situation I'd say it's not so important as theres plenty of people to roll with and practice what you have been shown. I'm sure you know that he COULD kick your arse if he was in shape. I sometimes ( well most of the time ) struggle to frequently tap bodybuilder/ roider type guys with scary strength but that doesn't mean they can't learn anything from me. I learn things myself from complete beginners sometimes from stuff they have seen on youtube and practised a few times on their mates or whatever :D

Just my opinion though I'm sure there will be people who disagree.

[Ben]

what it comes down to is this - are you able to implement what he is teaching you?

Then frankly go for it. You can learn from people better and worse than you, as well as better and inferior conditioned athletes

[The Natural]

Thnx for quick replies..

abit more info..in the very short training that we have had..

he showed pointers and set ups that i feel will def help my game but i need to implement in a group environment and regular training partners which i have access to..

I think im answering my own question here as i type..lol..

[Jamie Taylor]

Yup................

[The Natural]

any other insights?

[Predator]

I couldnt care if my coach had no arms or legs, If he can make me better then im happy.

End of the day his job is to coach you so as long as your improving then hes doing his jobs. You should have sparring partners to beat u up lol

[The Natural]

I couldnt care if my coach had no arms or legs, If he can make me better then im happy.

End of the day his job is to coach you so as long as your improving then hes doing his jobs. You should have sparring partners to beat u up lol

Lol..ur rite..

what else are sparring partners for?!?:D

[Rob T]

I think I'd only really want to train with someone who was either actively training or had tons of experience, i.e. 10+ years at black belt (or equivalent).

I only teach stuff which I can apply in sparring. If I learn something new, I don't teach it until I've used it a lot, seen the counters, tried different set-ups, learnt re-counters etc. How could a coach who doesn't train much do that?

[widge milward]

a coach is a coach.

fighters dont always make the ebst coaches and vice versa.

but i do feel your coach should have some competition experience in their field.

as long as they know there stuff then i have no problem.

[Predator]

I think I'd only really want to train with someone who was either actively training or had tons of experience, i.e. 10+ years at black belt (or equivalent).

I only teach stuff which I can apply in sparring. If I learn something new, I don't teach it until I've used it a lot, seen the counters, tried different set-ups, learnt re-counters etc. How could a coach who doesn't train much do that?

I think it goes with experience.

Surely if your talking Jits terms a blue belt can teach a white belt because he knows more and has more experience.

Im not disputing your point just saying thats not always the case.

for example are you saying you wouldnt train with greg jackson because hes not a black belt?

[Rob T]

I think it goes with experience.

Surely if your talking Jits terms a blue belt can teach a white belt because he knows more and has more experience.

Im not disputing your point just saying thats not always the case.

for example are you saying you wouldnt train with greg jackson because hes not a black belt?

I didn't say I wouldn't train under a non black belt. Please reread it...

"I think I'd only really want to train with someone who was either actively training or had tons of experience, i.e. 10+ years at black belt (or equivalent)."

I started training under a purple belt (now brown) who was actively training himself.

[NeilD]

I think for me I'd have to know they have been active in the past, but not neccessarily a constant winner or still competing because I believe you can only know what intricacies work if you've tried it yourself.

I started training with Speedy when he was a purple belt, now he's a black belt but made it from 1 stripe blue to black belt with noone to train with apart from whites and blues and very rare visits back to Marc.

[Jamie Taylor]

I started training with Speedy when he was a purple belt, now he's a black belt but made it from 1 stripe blue to black belt with noone to train with apart from whites and blues and very rare visits back to Marc.

That is fucking excellent !!!!

[The Natural]

Some good adavice on this thread..

some insight..

yes he was active..

yes he was competitive at a decent level..

I know for sure that he has subbed guys of a higher belt status' in the past in both competition and training. But due to lifes circumstances disappeared off the scene for a few years and has now resurfaced..

The more i think about it..i tend to agree with widge..a coach is a coach..

altho rob u do make a good point also..

Cant believe that speedy got to blackbelt without any 'real' high level sparring partners..what an achievement.

[Duchman]

I once took a private with a high level mma fighter, and asked to spar.. and he fucked me up for one hour......... :(

[The Natural]

Silly u..

i'd never ask to spar..techniques only and no f*cking punches..lol..

[Duchman]

It was with out punches. But he voilated my face with his elbows and knees. :(

[TRIBULUS]

If he's a legit purple and is still rolling then I'm sure he can do a great job of coaching you, I don't think his cardio or lack of would be much of a factor.

[Jokebook]

Are you sure this guy is right for you. If you're already questioning his ability what's going to happen when you get beat in a comp or you feeling like you're not progressing.

[The Natural]

If he's a legit purple and is still rolling then I'm sure he can do a great job of coaching you, I don't think his cardio or lack of would be much of a factor.

he's legit 4 sure..and appreciate ur input..

jokebook..i have competed enough in nogi competrions to kno what it takes to win and lose so competition aint an issue..progression is..and im sure that that will be seen during rolling with partners..i hope!

[The Natural]

Man..wearing a gi is a nitemare..

If anyone wants mine..Pm me :) (joke)

[mafmaa]

Coaches coach, fighters fight, etc.,
Man U are not going to sack Ferguson because he cant run as fast as Rooney, cant dribble like Giggs and cant pass like Carrick. He never could and he never will. He can however coach/teach those players how to improve their skills.
I would always look for a coach based on his technical knowledge, his ability to impart that knowledge to me and his ability to improve my game. His physical condition would play no part in my choice of coach.

P.S.
I think Jamie T is being polite saying he struggles to tap roid-bodybuilders!!! (dont believe him at all).