what does the future hold for bisping

[hitman]

just interested to know what people feel about the future of micks career?
got to say, was a devastating knockout!! dont think the follow up elbow was called for but i think mick would have maybe done the same?
so were now for the count?
can he come back better and stronger from this defeat, or not?

[Stu]

Anything he fucking well wants it to really.

Near enough everyone needs to take highlight reel KOs like that at some point. The most important thing is that he learns from it. Sounds cliched i know.

But i don't see last night's fight having as much relevance for Mike as it did for Henderson.

[hitman]

without doubt, he will definatly learn from it, micks a good friend of mine and was really gutted this morning,
really hope this doesnt affect him long term,

[Stu]

I don't think it will to be honest. From what we see on the TV the guy just oozes confidence in his ability. I don't think it will be that devastating a KO to him that it totally takes that from him.

I think a convincing win at the next British UFC and things will be right back on track.

[hitman]

hope so mate, really do

[Tommo]

He's young enough & good enough to be back.... time out to recover and then build towards another good run!

Hendo was just a step to far at this stage

[Zanmato]

I'm sure he will come back just as strong, though perhaps with a more humble tone as that level of ownage can't be easy to swallow. Perhaps a fight with Belcher/Quarry/Rivera or something... guy's just outside of the pack of elites but who would still present interesting challenges and an incremental increase in respect, experience & skills etc.

[apocalypse18]

Guys,

I know Wolfslair is a great camp but do you think Bisping needs to train in America for a while, and become a small fish in a big pond as opposed to a big one in a small pond.

I know Mike is confident, but saying things like "Hendo won't take me down", "I'll knock Hendo out" strike me that maybe he needs to be a bit more realistic? Has he been surrounded by yes men rather than people who will challenge him?

I'm a big Bisping fan, just considering what needs to happen to take himself to the next level, he didn't look right last night at all.

[darthcrab]

Guys,

I know Wolfslair is a great camp but do you think Bisping needs to train in America for a while, and become a small fish in a big pond as opposed to a big one in a small pond.

I know Mike is confident, but saying things like "Hendo won't take me down", "I'll knock Hendo out" strike me that maybe he needs to be a bit more realistic? Has he been surrounded by yes men rather than people who will challenge him?

I'm a big Bisping fan, just considering what needs to happen to take himself to the next level, he didn't look right last night at all.

I dont think so, who ever the dude was in his corner went sick at him about walking on to his back hand, said it was pathetic as well I think... so it sounds like if anything, Bisping thinks he knows best????

[dunny]

bisping might have a lot of fans on the internet that bum him to death, but i dont think the wolfslair is full of yes men at all

[apocalypse18]

Ok good point his corner did seem pretty pi55ed off.

So is Bisping so arrogant he thinks he knows better than his corner? Or maybe he doesn't have enough trust/respect for his coaches to actually listen to them?

As I said, I've been a Bisping fan since the Epstein fight way back, but without power in his striking, and without an aggressive ground game, he needs to change something IMO.

[darthcrab]

I think your right, he doesnt have KO power, and he doesnt have great wrestling.. I dont know about the corner situation, Its not my place to guess or comment if he thinks he is too good for them or what ever, but it was clear to see, the whole 2 mins in the corner was "stop circling left" and he went out and did the same thing and got put to sleep..

[Valour5]

I think he will stop at MW and probably fight a few of the lesser grapplers at 185 in the UFC.

After such a devastating KO they will probably look to keep him away from any heavy handed strikers for now imho.

Dennis Kang, Thales Leites, Alan Belcher, Palhares, Kendall Grove, Ed Herman, Patrick Cote and Dan Miller are all do-able fights for him imho.

[ocuana]

From what I see of Mike; he's an excellent all rounder but for some will become boring. Lack of stoppages or submissions means grinding out 15 min fights each time. I like that but will the UFC? Anyway, is there really any reason he can't improve over the next two years and come back a different person? I think he can - as long as they don't "Blow smoke up his ass". Hendo is a huge guy at his weight and one of the best, even at his age. No shame in the loss but I doub't he'll get a rematch. Cote/Kang sound like good come back fights.

[apocalypse18]

^ I think most of the fighter mentioned above will beat him.

Palhares has a very strong wrestling and ground game, think the would dominate Bisping.

Ed Herman and Dan Miller are doable fights for him.

Shame he is based his strategy on striking and neglected any attacking ground game when he has such weak hands..

[dunny]

im sure bisping has had a few finishes recently? he doesnt just go for desicions at all. i think maybe he would benefit from going to america, maybe to xtreme couture for a bit, but who wouldnt benefit from that. i dont think he NEEDS it though. maybe he isnt destined to be the ufc champ, not everyone can be. its not a right, you dont just get your turn at it, and its ok to not be the best in the world as long as you are entertaining, and bisping is deffinately entertaining

[leglocksrock]

the fight could've gone either way,bisping was taggin hendo quite a bit,but i think that bisping was circling into his big hand that didnt help and was exactly what hendo wanted but maybe also to do with hendo cutting the cage off also,bisping will be back stronger than ever..also sayin bisping hasnt go ko power and good wrestling is daft...hes got both!everyone in mma gets beat at some point...its how you come back from those defeats that makes a great champon...im certain bisping has what it takes to climb the ladder and become that champion

[Toastie]

Bisping showed how average a fighter he really is. He has a 12 week training camp to analyse Henderson and when it comes fight time circled right into the danger zone from the beginning. Genius.

The only thing better then that KO and wathcing that extra shot would be Bisping needing his jaw wired shut for a couple of months.

At least a legit talent like Hardy got into the UFC, and didn't need to go on a reality show full of cans to do it either.

[Duchman]

Bisping showed how average a fighter he really is. He has a 12 week training camp to analyse Henderson and when it comes fight time circled right into the danger zone from the beginning. Genius.

The only thing better then that KO and wathcing that extra shot would be Bisping needing his jaw wired shut for a couple of months.

At least a legit talent like Hardy got into the UFC, and didn't need to go on a reality show full of cans to do it either.

you got to be shitting me............

[taffdragon]

henderson went down in my estimation after that second blow when mike was obviously KO. no need for it IMO.

[dunny]

bispings never been ko'd before, you dont know if he was going to get up or not, henderson had to do what he had to do to make sure he gets another title shot, i dont blame henderson at all

[GingerNinga]

Hendo served up Bisping some homemade humble pie which is gonna be really good for him. There is a fine line between confidence and arrogance and Bisping was starting to border on the latter. He now knows he's not invincible and he will be a better fighter for it but I don't think he'll ever hold a title in the UFC.

[mack3333]

His lack of power and offensive bjj means he'll probably lose to any top tier fighters at 185. He said he doesn't actually cut any weight and admitted he could make 170 but didn't want to look like skeletor. 170 would be better and when you see guys like Alves, Johnson etc down there you think Bisping could make it but I think it's too much.

He screamed "HANDS UP, HANDS TIGHT" on tuf quite a lot yet he drops his hand quite a bit himself. Can't do that against people like Hendo, Silva, Marquardt. Those guys are all better grapplers too so I don't know what the future holds for Bisping. I really can't see him getting anywhere close to a title shot again unless he gets easy fights.

The thing that annoyed me the most was when after the first round, Mark Kinney was screaming for him to move away from his right hand and Bisping told him to "calm down." Maybe instead of telling him to calm down he could have said "yes coach" and then followed those instructions in the next round. Obviously he didn't listen and circled right into it. Poor show.

[Rs1]

Just like alot of fighters in....well in all organisations not just ufc, they are treated like film stars of something.....having to sacrifice alot of gym time for promotions etc.
Imo i think that was part of Bispings....less than great performance. I honestly feel he is the better fighter and just didnt prepare through fight camp properly or enough.
Bit gutted cos i really wanted Bisping to show/prove he can hang with the big hitters well enough.

[shanksound]

He is not the better fighter. He's a coddled commodity that was brought along gingerly to establish a market base. No harm in that from a business perspective.

The Hendo fight was feeding him to the wolves, but a strategic gamble, given the padding of the UK roster via this season's laughably talentless TUF. He's an exciting gatekeeper, but a gatekeeper, at best. At 185, other than Dan Henderson, A. Silva, V. Silva, Marquardt, Maia, and Okami would all handle him easily. Additionally, Almeida, Belcher, Cote, Gouveia, Grove, Leites, McFedries, Palhares, Kang, Akiyama and Sonnen are all very dangerous fights for him.

If the UFC is interested in rebuilding Bisping at 185, a Nate Quarry, Jorge Riveira, or CB Dolloway is who they should give him.

[GainsDan]

I think it will be interesting to see how UFC and Mike go about coming back from this, i think hes young enough to get back training hard, build up a few wins and look at once again coming against some of the best in the game in the future.

I think after all the hype some maybe expected too much from him against Hendo..

[robs1980]

Bisping showed how average a fighter he really is. He has a 12 week training camp to analyse Henderson and when it comes fight time circled right into the danger zone from the beginning. Genius.

The only thing better then that KO and wathcing that extra shot would be Bisping needing his jaw wired shut for a couple of months.

At least a legit talent like Hardy got into the UFC, and didn't need to go on a reality show full of cans to do it either.



no need for comments like that mate

[Adasko]

is he alright anyway? any serious damage ?

[Lyoto The Cheater Machida]

Bisping needs to fight a guy like Cote and win to earn some legitimacy in his division.

[darthcrab]

no need for comments like that mate

lol, he is the guy that slags off all uk ufc fighters, got found out by goddard who he was, then he went and said it wasnt him, it was his flat mate, then he comes back with that post and owns himself... go to "posts by" and see the toastie is fucked thread, very lol

[apocalypse18]

Ok, here's a question,

Which camp would best bring up Mike's game?

I know Wolfslair is a good camp, but I seriously think he needs to move to a bigger pond if he wishes to develop. He did make Wolfslair's name after all, I imagine he is a big dog down there.

[Sammo27]

I think he's good just not good enough. He has to improve something he doesn't ever look dangerous enough. Somebody like Leben for example - I went to that fight and he played safe for a decision thats fine but Anderson walked through Leben like he was an amateur in no time at all rd1.

Maybe this will do him good and give him more fuel to the fire. I hope so as otherwise i see Maia, Marquardt, and Leites taking him easy. I think they will give him Belcher next.

[alwaystapping]

Damarques Johnson

[brawler4life]

wow u guys are stupid if u think he needs to leave the wolfslair seriously guys.


they have kongo page bisping kelly blacklege n loads of other good fighters....

bisping dont need to leave wolfslair at all that place made him

why would rampage leave the states to come here if he thought it was a shit place

[Stu]

What's with the Wolfslair bashing? He's not the only fucker there ya know, it's not just him and a bunch of unknowns!


Damarques Johnson

YES!

On British soil, this shit would sell!

[brawler4life]

they wont give him belcher he will get someone like herman just to start building himself up again

[Serial Killer]

henderson went down in my estimation after that second blow when mike was obviously KO. no need for it IMO.

I think Hendo wasn't wrong especially after all the shit Bisping said before the fight.

I like Bisping but i think he is overrated and needs to change some aspects of his game. I always thought that it was crazy to say he was TOP 10. He did not really win that fight against Hamil and the fight with Lieben was pretty close, and Lieben is not even top 20. He is a good and fast striker but got no knock out power so he needs to improve his takedows and ground to have more options.
I just think that Hendo was too much for Bisping who is just an average fighter.

[apocalypse18]

Not bashing Wolfslair, its one of the best camps in the UK, obviously!

However, he needs to change something if he wants to improve, as he doesn't have a strong weapon, no KO power, no submissions, no takedowns.

Lots of top fighters from Europe visit camps in the US- no disrespect to their original camps, but surely getting a different perspective, sparring partners and atmosphere must be good?

[v1o]

henderson went down in my estimation after that second blow when mike was obviously KO. no need for it IMO.
To be honest the rules of the sport are that you only stop after the ref tells you to. And besides Bisping still could have gotten up if Hendo didn't deliver the final blow.

They've been cases of fighters prematurely raising their hands in victory after dropping someone. Gomi has done it before.

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

why would rampage leave the states to come here if he thought it was a shit place

He basically came because Bisping invited him and

Rampage had burned his bridges with a couple camps (Team Oyama, Juanito)

and then he had that whole legal trouble thing with terrorizing the motorway with his Monster Truck and crashing into cars and people and running from the police.

[v1o]

Do you guys think he won the Matt Hamil fight?

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

Do you guys think he won the Matt Hamil fight?

No he lost that fight on points.

But he's become more and more timid after the Hamill fight with his standup. Not that he ever had much power but his power has seemed much less since then as he is retreating most of the time.

He beat Leben but none of his shots were hurting Leben and he was backpeddaling in that fight too.

I think stylistically he has been told to play a very safe, retreating game but what's happening is people are no longer respecting his power so they are gladly giving up a free shot to their face to have a chance to land a big counter.

[Nasir]

I'm not sure if Mike can finish the top guys at 185.

I think Mike should fight a Belcher or Kang and take it from there but he does need to start fighting the top guys otherwise he won't improve.

[apocalypse18]

Agree...

I think the problem is,

He's pretty much a stand up based fighter

But.. He hasn't got enough power in his stand up to hurt guys at a decent level...

So he needs to develop other weapons, i.e. an attacking ground game.

Maybe it's too late for him to change his style though?

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

Agree...

I think the problem is,

He's pretty much a stand up based fighter

But.. He hasn't got enough power in his stand up to hurt guys at a decent level...

So he needs to develop other weapons, i.e. an attacking ground game.

Maybe it's too late for him to change his style though?

Yes there is a danger of not being able to teach an old dog new tricks (See Mark Coleman, Chuck Liddell)

I figured he'd have more power at 185 but then again guys like Henderson are 205ers too. What I have noticed though is that on Bisping's cut to 185 he seems to have compromised alot of muscle mass in his dieting so that he's losing his 205 power at 185 if that makes any sense. So he's basically lost muscle mass and fat instead of water weight in his cut.

At this point it almost seems like he would have to somehow drop down to 170 to remain competitive given his current skill set.

[Serial Killer]

Agree...

I think the problem is,

He's pretty much a stand up based fighter

But.. He hasn't got enough power in his stand up to hurt guys at a decent level...

So he needs to develop other weapons, i.e. an attacking ground game.

Maybe it's too late for him to change his style though?

He is still young and could change his style, i think the problem is that he thinks he is great and that he can beat everybody. He already said he would knock out Wand, Silva and Maia ,that he would out-wrestle Hendo, that he could beat GSP... So maybe he thinks he does not need to change anything.

[mark22uk]

Imo bisping has to go back to basics he is not heavy handed. His hit and run style aint working. Big focus on his wrestling jitz and ground and pound and he will do ok. But a said once and a will say it again he will never be a ufc champ at any weights. This has been a big reality check the hard work starts from here he needs to reinvent himself in my opinion

[UK_MMA]

For fucks sake, still talking about Hammil? What about the declne of the Byzantines? Man, I'm stll pissed about that.

Mike seems like an intelligent lad, just too stubborn. I reckon he'll be reviewing that fight for a while and realise what he was doing wrong and come back better than ever.

Hendersons last shot was complete bullshit btw, he said himself it was purely to hurt him. I've always been a fan of Hendo, always thought his quiet demeanor was because he was just a chill, laid back bloke. Not because when he does show anything of himself he comes off like a complete prick.

[apocalypse18]

Don't think a cut to 170lbs is the answer tbh.

I think what he needs to do, IMHO of course, and no disrespect to the Wolflair S+C coach if they have one, is to look at his S+C program.

I've only seem clippings of his conditioning training, but he doesn't seem to actually do much serious strength training, at least his physique doesn't seem to indicate it (although there are very strong guys who aren't muscular)...

Proper strength and conditioning has huge benefits, look at GSP has progressed under Chaimberg for instance.

[IceKid]

TBH every fighter in the MW division is under anderson silvas thumb, when it comes to that division i just wanna see people knock each other senseless til they reach the top and get owned by anderson. mike wont be able to beat silva anyway.

[Serial Killer]

For fucks sake, still talking about Hammil? What about the declne of the Byzantines? Man, I'm stll pissed about that.

Mike seems like an intelligent lad, just too stubborn. I reckon he'll be reviewing that fight for a while and realise what he was doing wrong and come back better than ever.

Hendersons last shot was complete bullshit btw, he said himself it was purely to hurt him. I've always been a fan of Hendo, always thought his quiet demeanor was because he was just a chill, laid back bloke. Not because when he does show anything of himself he comes off like a complete prick.

I'm not sure if Mike is that intelligent, he had months to get ready to fight Hendo and still moved to the wrong side even after his corner told him not to.

After watching the last TUF i started to see Bisping as a prick.

[CROMSCOTT]

Bisping showed how average a fighter he really is. He has a 12 week training camp to analyse Henderson and when it comes fight time circled right into the danger zone from the beginning. Genius.

The only thing better then that KO and wathcing that extra shot would be Bisping needing his jaw wired shut for a couple of months.

At least a legit talent like Hardy got into the UFC, and didn't need to go on a reality show full of cans to do it either.

HAHAHA Toastie the shithouse.............Have you come out of hiding now you utter cock.........How's your imaginary friend doing?...Oh sorry i mean your "house mate"...........You fucking scruffy bellend.......Does your dad still hide under your bed???.......Peace out you filthy dickhead.

[CROMSCOTT]

Bisping will be back......keep the faith.........Title or no title i just like seeing him fight......Hold your head up high Mike.....Theres no shame in getting beat by a hall of famer...........Everyone gets KO'd and beat its just how you come back from it.

[apocalypse18]

Don't feed the troll guys!

[mack3333]

Yeah, I think he needs to switch up his training. Doesn't necessarily have to go to the U.S, but his current style and tactics just aren't going to cut it.

If you look at how Marcus Davis went from one dimensional boxer to all of a sudden submitting a bunch of guys, or how Florian went from a weedy bjj guy with zero standup to a complete ninja on his feet; that's the type of improvement that Bisping needs to make imo. Maybe he needs to do what Davis did; put on a gi and start working pure bjj under a new coach, maybe do some judo as wrestling doesn't seem to be something he's natural at or maybe moving to the states and getting a completely new camp is the best thing. Obviously he has family and friends but sometimes fighters or sportsman in general have to make these sacrifices in order to further their career, and the sooner the better.
Look at Chuck who was loyal to the same camp his whole career, and look at GSP who regularly moves around to Brazil, New York, Canada and New Mexico to get the right training. One remained one dimensional and payed the price, the other has become the most well rounded guy out there and obviously the champ.

I mean Sean Salmon, Trevor Prangley and Phil Baroni probably weren't the best guys to prepare him for Hendo. Greg Jacksons may be a good place for Bisping.

[IceKid]

i think he should move back up to 205

[apocalypse18]

Fully agree with Mack,

I'm a Bisping fan but if something doesn't change he can't expect to improve or even remain at the same level as other guys will be constantly improving.

[KidKimura]

This loss is hardly gonna set Mike back at all IMO.

I mean he lost to Dan Henderson. DAN FUCKING HENDERSON!! No shame at all in that, and I think the only thing that fight changes is that Mike won't fight Silva any time soon, which I reckon is for the best anyway. Bispings future holds more fghts and hopefully more wins, then maybe getting a shot at another top tier guy a couple of fights down the line.

Wolfslair is a brilliant camp, you can't win em all, and I'm sure Bispings prep for this fight was first class. They got plenty of top guys there that have alot of other training options, they choose to train at Wolfslair for a reason.

[Paul Murphy]

Mike's a great fighter and will of course come back. Let's not forget this happened in the 2nd rnd so it's not as if he was easily beaten, he just got tagged with a great shot.
He stepped up and fought one of the best around. Peolpe are always quick to comment on his ability, punching power etc but you ask the people who spar with him, he hit's hard enough I assure you.

Paul

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

I mean Sean Salmon, Trevor Prangley and Phil Baroni probably weren't the best guys to prepare him for Hendo. Greg Jacksons may be a good place for Bisping.

Prangley's not bad.

But when I heard he was training with Phil Baroni that concerned me as I'm not sure how that prepares him for Henderson at all.

[KidKimura]

Prangley's not bad.

But when I heard he was training with Phil Baroni that concerned me as I'm not sure how that prepares him for Henderson at all.

By training with someone with good wrestling and really heavy hands?

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

Peolpe are always quick to comment on his ability, punching power etc but you ask the people who spar with him, he hit's hard enough I assure you.

Paul

I have no doubt that he can hit hard. I've been following him and rooting for him since Ultimate Combat and Cage Rage.

However his backpeddling style that he has adopted since Leben has taken away any power IMO. He has just seeemed very tentative.

[taffdragon]

I think Hendo wasn't wrong especially after all the shit Bisping said before the fight.

I like Bisping but i think he is overrated and needs to change some aspects of his game. I always thought that it was crazy to say he was TOP 10. He did not really win that fight against Hamil and the fight with Lieben was pretty close, and Lieben is not even top 20. He is a good and fast striker but got no knock out power so he needs to improve his takedows and ground to have more options.
I just think that Hendo was too much for Bisping who is just an average fighter.


whatever the rights and wrong of what hendo done, i still dont think it was the right thing to do just for a bit of smack talk.

[dealer d]

i think bisping didnt look confident at all i just hope he comes back better i think he needsto fight some one like alan belcher

[SirFapsAlot]

Hendo was just making sure the job was done, I'm sure Bisping would of done the same thing, as would 90% of the other fighters in the world.

[taffdragon]

To be honest the rules of the sport are that you only stop after the ref tells you to. And besides Bisping still could have gotten up if Hendo didn't deliver the final blow.

They've been cases of fighters prematurely raising their hands in victory after dropping someone. Gomi has done it before.



fair play, but hendo said in the interview he knew he was out. i think it was sammi berik in a simular situation and he held back. i suppose in that situation with your blood up its a hard call to make and only the guy in the fight can make that call. hope mike is ok, no lasting damage.

[Zanmato]

Hendo was just making sure the job was done, I'm sure Bisping would of done the same thing, as would 90% of the other fighters in the world.

except he said he knew the job was done & continued to 'shut him up' which is entirely different and not something anywhere near 90% of other fighters do

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

By training with someone with good wrestling and really heavy hands?

Baroni's wrestling isn't really that great. He went to Hofstra and Central Michigan which are okay schools but not elite programs.

Also he is a Hammer House product and Hammer House products have been very one dimensional.

What concerned me is that Baroni is a short Welterweight (5-9 170).

It just doesn't make sense to me how that is supposed to mimic or help him fight Hendo. (6-1 185/205)

Dan Henderson went to an Elite Program, Arizona State under the legendary Lee Roy Smith, not to mention having been under Bob Anderson's Jets program during his youth. (sort of a wrestling academy). His wrestling is just on a complete other level than Baroni.

It's like training with a relegation level team in preparation for Man U or Chelsea.

It just made no sense to me and when I heard he was training with Baroni it concerned me alot for Michael for this fight.

[dealer d]

bisping would of done the same

[apocalypse18]

Mike may have heavy hands down the gym, but his recent performances suggest otherwise.

A boxer down his local gym may knock people out in sparring, but does that mean he has genuine world class punching power? No. That can only be shown through knocking people out on the world stage.

Maybe if he gets in a serious S+C coach, other than Kerry Kayes, he can develop more power.

[SirFapsAlot]

except he said he knew the job was done & continued to 'shut him up' which is entirely different and not something anywhere near 90% of other fighters do

Ah right, I've not watched the interviews yet. If that's the case then bit out of order, BUT not uncommon in MMA.

[KidKimura]

Baroni's wrestling isn't really that great. He went to Hofstra and Central Michigan which are okay schools but not elite programs.

Also he is a Hammer House product and Hammer House products have been very one dimensional.

What concerned me is that Baroni is a short Welterweight (5-9 170).

It just doesn't make sense to me how that is supposed to mimic or help him fight Hendo. (6-1 185/205)

Dan Henderson went to an Elite Program, Arizona State under the legendary Lee Roy Smith, not to mention having been under Bob Anderson's Jets program during his youth. (sort of a wrestling academy). His wrestling is just on a complete other level than Baroni.

It's like training with a relegation level team in preparation for Man U or Chelsea.

It just made no sense to me and when I heard he was training with Baroni it concerned me alot for Michael for this fight.

Baroni may have exactly the same style as Hendo but then not many people do! Not forgetting tho he was training with Zach Light too who is a pretty damn good wrestler. Its just the way things go though, you don't always get to hand pick every one of your training partners to try to simulate your opponent, but the more decent, experienced people you have helping you the better IMO.

[CraigA]

Hope hes ok because hes about the only fighter they havent shown on post fight interviews on ufc.com.

I think he should move down to 170 and join Rough House, there probably the best team in the uk for WW and LW. He looks well to small for middleweight, Hendo looks alot bigger and i didnt think he was a massive MW.

[brawler4life]

Hope hes ok because hes about the only fighter they havent shown on post fight interviews on ufc.com.

I think he should move down to 170 and join Rough House, there probably the best team in the uk for WW and LW. He looks well to small for middleweight, Hendo looks alot bigger and i didnt think he was a massive MW.


what you smoking mate????? like hes gonna leave wolfslair for rough house

[James-w]

they wont give him belcher he will get someone like herman just to start building himself up again

tbh, I think he should ask for the next top guy at that weight, dont start from the bottom.. Franklin, or is he a no go now? Okami, Maia, Marquardt.. thats who he should ask for next, get straight back into the mix...

if he won, he would have got a title shot, so he was ranked and rated that highly, so why after a loss, should he drop right back down to the lower guys??? give him a top name from above, prove he is up to hanging with the top, and then all good.... if he gets beat by one of them, then it will show people he just isnt up to it, and maybe should have a rethink on weight, fights, whatever...

he doesnt need to build back up, he took a loss to the now number 1 contender.. so he should fight the number 2 or 3 in line..

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

Hope hes ok because hes about the only fighter they havent shown on post fight interviews on ufc.com.

I think he should move down to 170 and join Rough House, there probably the best team in the uk for WW and LW. He looks well to small for middleweight, Hendo looks alot bigger and i didnt think he was a massive MW.

To be fair Henderson is a huge 185er. He's fought most of his career at 205.

I do agree thought that Bisping seems to have lost too much muscle mass and fat from 205 to 185.

[BruceLeeMMAfighting.net]

if he won, he would have got a title shot, so he was ranked and rated that highly, so why after a loss, should he drop right back down to the lower guys??? give him a top name from above, prove he is up to hanging with the top, and then all good.... if he gets beat by one of them, then it will show people he just isnt up to it, and maybe should have a rethink on weight, fights, whatever...

he doesnt need to build back up, he took a loss to the now number 1 contender.. so he should fight the number 2 or 3 in line..

Well the thing with a brutal KO like that is we don't know how that will effect his confidence. Alot of people are never the same after that.

Igor Vovchanchyn had never been Koed in around 50 fights and then he was LHK'd by Mirko and was never the same.

Ditto for Chuck Liddell, Mirko, Wanderlie Silva after they were brutally KOed.

You sort of have to give Michael a gimmee/safe fight to build his confidence back up.

[apocalypse18]

I think its more the fact that he would have lost any strength, and the explosive strength in particular, rather than losing muscle.

I mean, losing some muscle isn't going to hurt if you maintain or even increase strength.

Size isn't much of a factor, strength and explosiveness are huge factors.

I simply think the is not strong enough and seems to lack explosiveness.

[brawler4life]

tbh, I think he should ask for the next top guy at that weight, dont start from the bottom.. Franklin, or is he a no go now? Okami, Maia, Marquardt.. thats who he should ask for next, get straight back into the mix...

if he won, he would have got a title shot, so he was ranked and rated that highly, so why after a loss, should he drop right back down to the lower guys??? give him a top name from above, prove he is up to hanging with the top, and then all good.... if he gets beat by one of them, then it will show people he just isnt up to it, and maybe should have a rethink on weight, fights, whatever...

he doesnt need to build back up, he took a loss to the now number 1 contender.. so he should fight the number 2 or 3 in line..


i think he should fight kendall, riveria, herman if he faught okami maia or marquardt im afraid to say i think hed lose

he needs more time to develop his game hes a good striker but the guys you mentioned have an all round better game and would probably beat him then you see a guy with 2 losses, 1 more and hes gone? possibly.

[Bearpark]

Hendo was right to follow up with the second shot! remember hendo had to put up with Bisping running his mouth all the time in the ultimate fighter, then Bisping say's stupid shit like "I'll knock him out" WTF! when if ever does hendo get kocked out? I'm glad Hendo won and shut bispings mouth atleast for a while any way

[steve_langford]

I think Bisping vs Belcher is needed right now

[TheUnfitOne]

Lets just remind ourselves who he just lost to,
When Mike was making his debut against Steve Mathews , Dan had already fought Kondo, Nakamura, Bustamante, Nog, Arona, Rua, Shoji, Renzo, Wanderlai, Babalu, Yvel, Newton, Goes & more, so mike certainly didn't fight his best fight but regardless of that came up short against a top top tier fighter.

Mike's a good fighter a nice bloke and will be back in Manchester Nov 14th, he's simply too great an asset for the UFC.

[Serial Killer]

Lets just remind ourselves who he just lost to,
When Mike was making his debut against Steve Mathews , Dan had already fought Kondo, Nakamura, Bustamante, Nog, Arona, Rua, Shoji, Renzo, Wanderlai, Babalu, Yvel, Newton, Goes & more, so mike certainly didn't fight his best fight but regardless of that came up short against a top top tier fighter.

Mike's a good fighter a nice bloke and will be back in Manchester Nov 14th, he's simply too great an asset for the UFC.

Hendo is a great fighter inded. The problem is not that Mike lost to Hendo, the problem is the way it happened. First because Mike just kept running away from Hendo and never tried to fight back. And second because he got knocked out by that right overhand that everybody, including me, you and all the guys in this forum knew that was Hendo's best chance, so he was supposed to know that too.

[Malcontent]

Mike looked overawed and afraid to get stuck in. His mental approach seemed all wrong. He'll come back from this a better fighter I'm sure. He needs to work on his mind.

[jasper]

All due respect to Mike but I think he is another Tim Henman - we would all love him to win but.............

[Nimmy]

Bisping wont ever be a contender for the belt as long as guys like Henderson, Franklin, Silva, Maia, Marquart, Wanderlei Silva etc... are in the division.

Its a different ballgame fighting the likes of Day, Schafer and Leben.

[Edwin_junior]

Mike will always be an amazing fighter and i'm sure that he will come back stronger he always does. He's still getting used to fighting at middleweight. Mike helped pave the way for new up and coming fighters bringing the UFC to the UK.

Hederson is a top class fighter but its taken hi9m a long time to get to that point. I remember when he lost to Wanderli and Nogueira, he's had battles with some of the best fighters in the sport and it is only inevitable that Bisping had a real fight on his hands.

Lets not forget this is his first 'real loss,' I support him 100 percent and know he will come back to do damage!:)

[Plasticpaddy]

Mike looked physically small, mentally timid and frankly seemed nervous. He then fought a strategically naive fight and ignored his corner. IMHO a balls out all action loss in his next fight Against a decent top 10 mw would serve him better than an easy win. He has to show himself, and his fans that he is coachable and resiliant. Imagine if one of the uk team on tuf had fought like that and then told him to calm down. I'm a huge fan of mike b but really believe that he must seek external help. The wolfslair are too close to be objective right now. Best of luck whatever you do next mike.

[v1o]

Saw this on another forum

http://i28.tinypic.com/347fcpl.jpg

[apocalypse18]

Good post by Plastic Paddy, sometimes hard for people close to you to tell you what the reality is.

[igor22]

still plenty of good fights out there for him at 185. do i dont think he will ever be champion!

[A Clowrey]

Lets just remind ourselves who he just lost to,
When Mike was making his debut against Steve Mathews , Dan had already fought Kondo, Nakamura, Bustamante, Nog, Arona, Rua, Shoji, Renzo, Wanderlai, Babalu, Yvel, Newton, Goes & more, so mike certainly didn't fight his best fight but regardless of that came up short against a top top tier fighter.

Mike's a good fighter a nice bloke and will be back in Manchester Nov 14th, he's simply too great an asset for the UFC.

Here Here!!!!!

[sol_dave]

I think Bisping vs Belcher is needed right now

why not sexyyama or whatever they call him? I think that would be a good fight

[mickclark]

why not sexyyama or whatever they call him? I think that would be a good fight

Great shout, plus sexiyama is a massive star in the East so a win against him will propel Mikes name out a bit more

[JimC]

Bisping will have to go back to fighting amongst average fighters and go back to avoiding the top guys.