Nogi and gi belt progression

[dawson]

Would somebody doing nogi 2 times a week and gi once a week progress (beltwise) as quick as a bjj practitioner being strictly gi 3 times a week?

[Rob T]

Totally depends on the people involved but I would say it's more likely the guy doing just gi will get better (at BJJ with the gi) quicker.

[illegalhunter]

Its gonna take a while

[Simon Hayes]

it would depend entirely on the student and how well
he manages to apply his skill in sparring.

In my opinion,if training 3 times per week only,the optimum split
would be 2 gi and 1 no-gi session per week-that's a similar split to how
I trained until Blue Belt and then I added an extra 4th session each week that was judo.

[wagon]

it would depend entirely on the student and how well
he manages to apply his skill in sparring.

In my opinion,if training 3 times per week only,the optimum split
would be 2 gi and 1 no-gi session per week-that's a similar split to how
I trained until Blue Belt and then I added an extra 4th session each week that was judo.


Simon,
So do you still train BJJ 3 times per week and Judo once a week? What is your split or recommended split for Drilling, sparring?

[Simon Hayes]

My training split now is entirely dependent on my teaching responsibilities
at Carlsons.

Inevitably,because of the variety of lessons I teach I get a very varied split,
with judo being the only aspect that suffers as I am not getting to the Budokwai to spar with black belts as much a I'd like instead sparring with the
bjj students at carlsons for judo.

Last night at carlsons for instance we did 3 minute rounds of Judo then no gi wrestling swapping each round for 45 minutes non stop.Taking the gi off every other round is great fun and good for development.

My ideal split for a week would be
3x gi sessions
1x no gi
1x judo
2x weights.

[Malcontent]

2x weights.

What does your weight training regime look like?

Are you trying to achieve anything specific from it IE: functional strength, explosiveness, muscle endurance etc?

[Simon Hayes]

Hi Malcontent,

I don't have the time right now to answer your question in detail so instead i will try and cover the basic principles.

It is my aim to become as strong as possible while spending the least amount of time strength training as possible for 2 reasons
1.So i have more time to practise martial arts.
2. So i spend as little energy as possible strength training with the most gains
so i have more energy for martial arts.

With this in mind i do two completely different types of strength training.

1. One type of workout is an all over body 'High Intensity' 'super slow' regime as popularised by Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer.It involves using Arthur Jones' 'Med-ex' machines.I do 2 excercises per body part,1 set only per excersice,using a 'slow' cadensce of around 4 seconds on the positive part of the movement then 4 seconds on the negative part of the movement with a second between positive and negative,meaning each rep is around 10 seconds long.I train to complete muscular failure on each set.
Each set lasts approximately 1.5 minutes and i do 8 sets so i am out of the gym completely fatigued within 15 minutes.

2.My other type of workout is a heavy,pyramid lifting system on free weights comprising only compound movements-
Bench Press,Wide Grip Chin Ups,Shoulder Press,Leg press.3 sets per excersice,differing rep ranges month to month.This workout is finished in 25 minutes.

One thing that is constant in all workouts is striving to lift heavier weights
each session.


So that is approximately 40 minutes per week spent doing strength training.


I cannot dead lift or squat due to an old herniation of L4/L5 discs so i do extremely heavy leg press on the med-ex equipment.

My muscle endurance is trained while rolling BJJ in a 'sport specific' manner
as is my core strength.

All i want from resistance training is to be as strong as possible to protect me from injury in BJJ.


Hope this helps in some way.

Simon


P.S. We do a 'Strength Training for BJJ/MMA at Carlsons on a Sunday morning at 11am using our weights there.

[wagon]

Thats really interesting Simon. It would be brilliant to see how the different black belts split their training.

[Malcontent]

Cheers Simon

I'm trying to fit weight training in but I suffer with doms quite bad.

If I squat properly I can pretty much rule out any other form of intense training for around two days. I just won't be able to get the most from any BJJ/MMA training as my legs will be aching.

Perhaps in time my recovery will improve, but at the moment it's a pain in the arse.

[russel]

im the same as well spend to long in the gym lifiting weights if i could get the same results from doing less the work that would be excellent i would also like to see what the black belts do to

[piratebrido]

I'm trying to fit weight training in but I suffer with doms quite bad.

What's doms?

[Kaish]

either dominos pizza or delayed onset muscle soreness. I.e. you do squats and the next day you feel like you've had your ass punched by a gorilla. Warmin up and stretching before rolling makes my doms unnoticable but

[piratebrido]

Ahh. I'm a two days after guy usually.

[rjd]

I had a FULL ON EPIC battle with Bruno for 10 min 2 weeks ago I could not fucking move for a week after I think alot of its on how hard you go I went 150% and paid the price lol

[Rob T]

The (physically) easiest rolls I have ever had have been with Braulio... because I can't actually move at all, so no chance to get tired!!

[steve_langford]

The (physically) easiest rolls I have ever had have been with Braulio... because I can't actually move at all, so no chance to get tired!!

......haha!

[rjd]

The (physically) easiest rolls I have ever had have been with Braulio... because I can't actually move at all, so no chance to get tired!!

I'm 16 stone and tried to fucking smash him brunos prob 11 stone at a push? I got owned repeatedly but man did we have a scrap!!.
I tried to be a smart ass with Fernando last week and got put right in my place hes 6'2 and 100kg lol :rolleyes:

I think size does count with BJJ? Braulios 6'3 and 14 stone and with his technique I can imagine hes a beast to roll with ( I remember mauricio Gomes ) he was a nightmare :o

[Rob T]

I don't think it's the weight because when I rolled with Marcelo he felt the same, couldn't move him at all.

[rjd]

I dunno man after watching Braulio with Marcelo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quBtqmx7vbI

I looks to me that Braulio was just imposing his will with him being bigger and stronger?

Its food for thought because if you get to world class black belts like this fighting at diff weights I would have thought the bigger stronger guy would most likely come out on top? ( topic for another thread perhaps? lol )

[Rob T]

Strength obviously helps but I really don't think Braulio needs to rely on it when he's rolling with me!

[rjd]

LOL!!! yeah bud I forgot your shit..................:rolleyes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGVZ8wKrU8

I only think its WORLD class Black belts that can treat you like that bud lol

Im still using the kimura grip you taught me ages ago!!! lol
works sweet with Gi aswell!

[Rob T]

It's better with the gi cos the friction makes it harder for them to escape. Steve hates it, haha ;)

[rjd]

It's better with the gi cos the friction makes it harder for them to escape. Steve hates it, haha ;)

Steve must SMASH now lol :D

[TRIBULUS]

I started out training 3 times a week but have progressively trained more and more as time goes on.
An ideal week for me would be
4 BJJ with gi
1 Judo
1 weights
1 yoga or cardio

I don't really train much no gi but enjoy doing it every couple of weeks.

The reality is that I often end up just training BJJ 5 or 6 times a week and forget everything else (unless in the run-up to a comp where I'll be much more organised)