Twister

[Bateman]

Been watching some of the Eddie Bravo stuff recently, has anyone competed in the ADCC for example or other grappling comps and been successful using his techniques?

Brandon Quick who put Fade to Black series together looked pretty on good on video but didnt have much success at NAGA.

Any ideas , I know the Brandon Quick fake brown belt has been covered but more interested in how 10th planet compares to Luta Livre and BJJ.

[Darkside]

yes.....you can watch it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQ0MXp-8ds

[Bateman]

yes.....you can watch it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LVQ0MXp-8ds

I will have to check that this evening as I cant see it at work , what is it ?

[Darkside]

It's ADCC highlight's I think it's on there, havent seen it for a while though

[Rob T]

The stuff he is known for which is most commonly used would be the half-guard sweeps. Old school is a common sweep, as is the one which Maia used on Quarry.

Rubberguard works, but it's pretty easy for the guy in guard to just stall out if they have good enough posture.

I find that most of the exotic submissions are unnecessary because if you got to a position where you could land those, you'd have been able to sub your opponent much earlier.

As for the Fade to Black DVD; I don't see the need to give every single different entry and angle of a choke a different name. Basically you can choke someone with an arm in, or just around the neck, using various grips (gable, s, rnc). After that, you just need to get used to which way to squeeze which will be obvious once you have a decent amount of grappling experience.

[Bateman]

Cheers Rob , the half guard and the lock down looked ok, just wondering how much strength is required in appliyng his techniques. I roll quite a bit of no gi just thought about trying to work a few of the 10th planet ones in to mix it up.

[Rob T]

I've used some of the basic rubberguard successfully in training, it definitely works. Some of it needs too extreme flexibility for me though. There are a few other things I've picked up from him too.

The lockdown half-guard stuff revolves around being able to maintain a tight lockdown and protecting your neck from the darce choke. Check out Oli Geddes Youtube account to see a lot of half-guard stuff including lots of the Eddie Bravo techniques (although I don't know whether that's where he got them from). His account name is Stalkachu.

[Bateman]

I've used some of the basic rubberguard successfully in training, it definitely works. Some of it needs too extreme flexibility for me though. There are a few other things I've picked up from him too.

The lockdown half-guard stuff revolves around being able to maintain a tight lockdown and protecting your neck from the darce choke. Check out Oli Geddes Youtube account to see a lot of half-guard stuff including lots of the Eddie Bravo techniques (although I don't know whether that's where he got them from). His account name is Stalkachu.

i got Eddies instructionals from that place that doesnt exist. Mp4 so on my ipod. got 3 of them. the series I think. much like the fade to black ones I am thinking alot of the moves need to be on a willing person as they do look like you need the flexibility and a compliant person to use them on.

I have just gone over the lock down and the stoner so far. I will look at Stalkachu and see them in action. Just looking to mix up my No Gi a bit for the next tournament

[Jimmy Boogaloo]

http://www.youtube.com/user/Stalkachu#play/uploads/184/nmDiq-CCQSk

just checked out a random video on his incredibly long list - brutal!

[Bateman]

I've used some of the basic rubberguard successfully in training, it definitely works. Some of it needs too extreme flexibility for me though. There are a few other things I've picked up from him too.

The lockdown half-guard stuff revolves around being able to maintain a tight lockdown and protecting your neck from the darce choke. Check out Oli Geddes Youtube account to see a lot of half-guard stuff including lots of the Eddie Bravo techniques (although I don't know whether that's where he got them from). His account name is Stalkachu.

Started working in the Lock down last night , works pretty well. Going to try a few more of his techs

[The Natural]

the lock down is a good technique..but there are sub counters to it..

i had a friend who used the lockdown all the time and he squueezed the shit outa my calve..it was painful and very annoying..

i sought out an effective counter to the lockdown and drilled it consistantly and use it to counter very effectively and infact submit the person who is applying. It is a sub that comes out of no where inwhich could hurt ur partner, so restraint must be shown when applying..

my rolling partners are now VERY weary about applying a lockdown..:D

[cagewarriors]

The "Twister" in particular has only ever been successfully executed once in competition MMA here in the UK, It was performed by Gerald Strebandt against a very determined Dave Elliott, on a previous CW event. Was a very horrible painful manouver to watch & I'm sure Dave will verify almost impossible to escape once on.

[Rob T]

Joseph Duffy has used it too, albeit in amateur MMA... and I wasn't sure how it was allowed under the rules of the competition... but still, he got the submission with it.

[Bateman]

the lockdown was good, just going to work through a few more.

[IjumpGuard]

the lock down is a good technique..but there are sub counters to it..

i had a friend who used the lockdown all the time and he squueezed the shit outa my calve..it was painful and very annoying..

i sought out an effective counter to the lockdown and drilled it consistantly and use it to counter very effectively and infact submit the person who is applying. It is a sub that comes out of no where inwhich could hurt ur partner, so restraint must be shown when applying..

my rolling partners are now VERY weary about applying a lockdown..:D

I assume your talking about the "indian death lock", does anyone know if this is allowed in competition?

[The Natural]

I assume your talking about the "indian death lock", does anyone know if this is allowed in competition?

lol..sounds SCARY!!!

i havent got a name for it, it was simply passed down to me by a knowledgable grappler. I dont even know if its the same manuover but thats sounds as good a name as any..:D

No one has ever stopped me from using it in comp..albeit i have only used it once..

[IjumpGuard]

here it is

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msc2L6tMESs

i think it should be legal in comp if lock down is allowed

[The Natural]

cant see it now but will have a look later 4 sure..i agree with ur comment

without watching this technique...personally i think if someone attempts to lock u down then u are entitled to break this lock by what ever mean necessary..after all its ur opponents problem if he doesnt see ur counter coming and counter ur counter appropriately..

after all, heel hooks are allowed in some high level competitions and they are the most dangerous subs around.