Grapple Mania 2 - Leeds, Sun 8th!! No-Gi Grappling Competition !!enter now!!

[mattmilk]

GrappleMania 2 -Leeds Sun 8th Nov 09!! No-Gi grappling Comp !!enter now!!
" So you think you can grapple ?''

www.grapplemania.co.uk

Due to the success of the first competition True Spirit (Leeds) is proud to announce a second, new and improved NO-GI Grappling tournament of its kind in Yorkshire. There will be beginners/novice (2 years and under), and advanced divisions (over 2 years), comprising of 6 weight categories in each division - 68kg - 73kg - 80kg - 87kg - 98kg +98kg. Every competitor will have a minimum of 2 fights. there will be a kids division -45kg +45kg. Womens category is open, depending on the day a decision will be finalized. Introducing a new absolute category (open weight, jason v goliath competition) - winner receives cash prize.

Prizes: Trophies will be awarded to first place winners. Supplements and Cash prize also to be won

Sponsors: http://www.ko-sports.com http://www.hidefinitionsports.co.uk.

This is a must for grapplers, submission fighters, BJJ.

Admissions: £20 per competitor (from website grapplemania.co.uk), £25 on door, £10 children, £5 for spectator £10 for kids. You will be able to pay via on the day.

Date, time and venue: start prompt 11.30pm, weigh in 9am-11am /sunday 8th Nov / John Smeaton Leisure centre, Smeaton Approach, leeds LS15 8TA

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&so...1&z=12&iwloc=A

For futher details and conformation email - grapplemania-uk@hotmail.co.uk

Event covered by MMApics - WWW.MMAPICS.COM

The Grapplemania-uk organisation is insured by the AMA, Amateur Martial Associations. We recommend competitiors to aquire insurance cover for themselves.

Rules

Legal techniques

Any kind of chokes (except using hand to close windpipe).
Any armbar, shoulder lock, or wrist lock
Any straight leg lock

Illegal Techniques

No striking, biting, pulling ears, eye gouging, scratching, finger & toe holds, heel hooks, crucifix’s, full nelsons,
suplexs, NO slamming to escape submissions.

*Due to popular demands rules to Grapplemania-uk 2.0 have been simplified.

*Fighters will be warned for breaking the rules and will be disqualified at referees discretion

*No abuse will be tolerated, individuals involved will be disqualified along with the rest of their team

*Bouts will be 6 min rounds, NO points scored for the first 3 mins, and last 3 mins points will be scored. There will be no points to submission attempts. Submission at any point of the 6 mins wins.

*In the event of a draw a further 2 mins will be given, if still a draw after 2 mins the referee's decision will prevail

Final bout will be of 8 min rounds.

Point scoring( positions must be held for 3 sec)

2 mount position
2 knee on stomach
2 sweeps and reversals
2 take down (ends in guard or half guard)
3 back mount with hooks
2 passing the guard
4 clean sweep or reversal (ends passed the guard)
4 clean takedown ( ends passed the guard)

Advantages will be noted by referee and in case of a draw the referee will make the descision for the winner.

Equipment

Shorts, T-shirt, Rashguard optional, groin guard. gumshield, wrestling boots

Shorts is a must.

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[Daywalker]

cool :) getting excited already lol

[Bisky]

Il be ther, the more nogi the comps the better.

[scotty_82]

Im there, the last one was spot on

[NeilD]

excellent, was at work for the last one.. will get my lazy arse to this one :)

[Doug@Phoenix]

Was there many at the last one Neil?

Thinking of heading down

[NeilD]

pretty packed apparently bud, few of us going from ours too.. about 5 iirc

[Doug@Phoenix]

Nice one! Know if Plattsy is going?

What weight you fighting at?

[NeilD]

Not a clue mate haven't seen him in a couple weeks, I'm fighting at -80kg.. got .5kg to go! ;) you?

[tapornap]

Cool. Sounds awesome.

[Doug@Phoenix]

I'm fighting u87kg, not bad seen as though I was about 96kg a month ago! Good luck with the 5kg bud! I went from 92kg to 86.8kg in a week for ground control 6.0, couldn't believe i made it...and stayed there!

[NeilD]

I'll make it lol it's 0.5kg not 5kg I aint that fat ;)

[benttoe]

can someone please explain why you get points for putting your knee on some ones belly but nowt for nearly subbing some one as there seems to be no logic to this at all> is the purpose to finish the fight or to lay on someone " tightly"

[grapplemania-uk]

can someone please explain why you get points for putting your knee on some ones belly but nowt for nearly subbing some one as there seems to be no logic to this at all> is the purpose to finish the fight or to lay on someone " tightly"

We find that it is difficult to referee submission attempts and there may be discrepencies. So it is simple a good submission will win the fight, knee on belly is not just a knee on belly it is a knee on belly with a leg stretched out showing control and held for 3 seconds +. Again the game is about control, movement and submission. A submission at any point does win, and the rules are the same for everyone so no disadvantages to anyone or advantages, in that sense. We are gratefull to your comments and views.

[benttoe]

thanks for your reply. i know its difficult to ref a sub attempt & i know the rules are pretty much universal but dont you think people are going to just hold on for points instead of going for a sub. this is boring & negative fighting. if its about control why is it called submission fighting? , also why no leg locks if grappling is to evolve it needs sambo & catch wrestlers to compete against bjj guys so everyone has to know everyone elses game much like mma. most people i see at "grappling "events are mma guys who at amateur level can leg lock or neck crank all they want so again i dont understand why at advanced level grappling you carnt. cause hey you can always tap. please dont get me wrong your last event was great & ill be at the next one its just these issues dont make sense. it carnt just be me that thinks so

[NeilD]

points are much fairer imho, it might look like the tightest sub attempt in the world but be perfectly defended.. but who's to say the ref will catch that?

I agree on the leg locks though, heel hooks maybe.. but probably allowed in an advanced division, toe holds I have no idea why they are left out.. for me no worse being kimura'd too far and having my shoulder joint shredded

[mmamomma]

Really looking forward to this event again, we're bringing some of our lads over from Salford - a couple of them in their first grappling event so it'll be good experience for them.

I was planning on doing this one but have got lazy in my training :( I'll be there anyway.....next one methinks!

Have more women entered the comp this time?

[Doug@Phoenix]

I'm not one to usually come on the forums and whine but today was just a disgrace. The event itself was very very well ran and each division went off fine but the refereeing was AWFUL! It wasn't just 1 ref either, it was all of them! They didn't have a clue! Rewarding wrong points, not awarding points, awarding points when they shouldn't have....it was honestly laughable! I'm not just whining because I was on the bad end of a few decisions myself either, I saw it over and over again. They didn't even know there own points system! It was like a lottery about when they would give points! They didn't know the difference between a takedown and a clean takedown for starters! I'm sat here fuming, I can honestly say I will never go to Grapplemania again and recommend that any one else who doesn't want to waste £25 doesn't go either...at least until they get some proper ref's! I've been to NEGC & Ground control and they're spot on! Get yourself there instead.

[IranianWarMachine]

I'm not one to usually come on the forums and whine but today was just a disgrace. The event itself was very very well ran and each division went off fine but the refereeing was AWFUL! It wasn't just 1 ref either, it was all of them! They didn't have a clue! Rewarding wrong points, not awarding points, awarding points when they shouldn't have....it was honestly laughable! I'm not just whining because I was on the bad end of a few decisions myself either, I saw it over and over again. They didn't even know there own points system! It was like a lottery about when they would give points! They didn't know the difference between a takedown and a clean takedown for starters! I'm sat here fuming, I can honestly say I will never go to Grapplemania again and recommend that any one else who doesn't want to waste £25 doesn't go either...at least until they get some proper ref's! I've been to NEGC & Ground control and they're spot on! Get yourself there instead.

Who was reffing? The polish pair kamil and tomik are class bjj players they have an excellent idea of point awarding.

[chowbjj]

The refs were a bit dodgy like, I got points for back control when I put my hooks in, after I had a body triangle. He didn't give me the points for the body triangle, but isn't it for back control?

It was okay, I had fun, it's just another tournament to get more experience :)

[Levo]

Didn't make it up but three of my lads did. Congrats to Liam and Ranj who took gold and silver in the advanced division (4th time they've faced each other now lol, 3 times in finals). Well done to Chris White in his first competition too, who won his first match but lost in semi-final. Proud of you all guys.

Nathan

[Wisniewski]

The refs were a bit dodgy like, I got points for back control when I put my hooks in, after I had a body triangle. He didn't give me the points for the body triangle, but isn't it for back control?

It was okay, I had fun, it's just another tournament to get more experience :)

no...you get points for controlling the back only when you have hooks in.
you do not get points for the body triangle.

some of the guys had hooks in and then went for the body triangle and they got no points at all, why? because they didn't keep hooks for 3 secs.

[Wisniewski]

I'm not one to usually come on the forums and whine but today was just a disgrace. The event itself was very very well ran and each division went off fine but the refereeing was AWFUL! It wasn't just 1 ref either, it was all of them! They didn't have a clue! Rewarding wrong points, not awarding points, awarding points when they shouldn't have....it was honestly laughable! I'm not just whining because I was on the bad end of a few decisions myself either, I saw it over and over again. They didn't even know there own points system! It was like a lottery about when they would give points! They didn't know the difference between a takedown and a clean takedown for starters! I'm sat here fuming, I can honestly say I will never go to Grapplemania again and recommend that any one else who doesn't want to waste £25 doesn't go either...at least until they get some proper ref's! I've been to NEGC & Ground control and they're spot on! Get yourself there instead.

I think I know what takedown are you talking about. Takedown attempt started on the mat, finished outside the mat with guy on the bottom in semi butterfly guard (one shin on opponents hips) from that position ( OFF THE MAT, ON THE FLOOR ) guy from top passed the guard to the side mount. And that doesn't count because the guard pass started outside the mat.(so only 2 points for a takedown instead of 4 for a clean one)
And that seems pretty obvious.
There was also one situation that from thai clinch both guys landed on their knees, opposite each other and one guy grabbed guillotine grip. There is no way that he could get point for takedown for that, because it wasn't a takedown..simple is that.

If you are talking about different situation maybe you could share that with us.

I know that there were some problems on the mat 3 and I totally understand that as I saw some mistakes there as well but this ref was later replaced and we can just apologise for that and promise it will never happen again.
Loosing by a refs decision is one of worst things that can happen to an athlete, it happened to me few times, to my friends and my students but I am pretty sure that only small percentage of complains made that afternoon have a real coverage in truth.

The event was very well run again with exciting fights, good prizes and great atmosphere.

[NeilD]

Were there supposed to be prizes for the division winners? Tyrone Elliott won the kids and didn't win anything.. or was it just absolute?

[IranianWarMachine]

The refs were a bit dodgy like, I got points for back control when I put my hooks in, after I had a body triangle. He didn't give me the points for the body triangle, but isn't it for back control?

It was okay, I had fun, it's just another tournament to get more experience :)

You don't get points for a body triangle only when the hooks are in.

[AxlRoseWarrior500]

Were there supposed to be prizes for the division winners? Tyrone Elliott won the kids and didn't win anything.. or was it just absolute?

I was wondering the same, I won my division to.

[Sherlock]

It was a good event but I have to agree with some of comments re. judges, altho not all judges, just some of them. Some clearly had no idea and how a ref can ref and work the clock at the same time is beyond me? Have all these refs qualified to the shows standards etc.? I saw numerous descrepancies between different mats again.
Also why did the absolute catagory start and finish before some of the other catagories had even started? It wasn't just for winners or advanced so this meant people who had been waiting around to fight all day didn't get a chance to enter it as it finished before their 1st fight.
Mats could have been better utilised too as we were waiting around for catagories to start at the end of the day when other mats were not being used.
The paramedic getting off before the end is a major problem too, especially when nobody was there to check the lad dropped on his head.

[grapplemania-uk]

We went through the process of bringing a medic, he must have gone for a break and many shows dont even have a medic. It is very difficult to referee a grappling competition occasionally mistakes are made but to lose and make excuses by blaming referees wont help you progress and improve in your grappling skill level. Learn from your weaknesses positively and become a competition champion. Grapplemania sponsers were generous enough to give supplements which were allocated to the advanced divisions, there were no supplements for novices and kids. We will endavour to supply supplements to novices in the future.

[paulkeegans]

I was in the under 80kg novice category and a few things I would like to see change from my experience is:

1) Better announcements when weight categories are on as I almost missed mine as I had no idea when I was on. Which ment I dint not have chance to warm up.

2) I feel as well as others that rash guards or t-shirts should be worn because this for me looks unhygienic and probably is too!

3) I also feel that 3rd places should be awarded as people are paying quite alot of money and for there to only be 1st and 2nd places is wrong. E.g let the semi finalist losers fight for 3rd place.

However, apart from this I enjoyed the event make the improvements and more people will compete IN MY OPINION!!!!!

[nagirrocmail]

I have to agree that the mat space should've been used more efficiently, on mat 2 thefirst 2 categories (-80 and -73) had 8 competitors combined and so were finished by half 1. Yet a guy from our team didnt get to fight until 4 even though by 3 o'clock the first two mats were empty. This comp could've been ran much more quickly, waiting six hours for your first match is no fun.

I also think there were a few guys that were better standard than novice that i have seen around the grappling circuit regularly doin well, yet still competing in novice, step up!

Lastly, my winners trophy was silver (last one was gold, and bigger)

[Doug@Phoenix]

I think I know what takedown are you talking about. Takedown attempt started on the mat, finished outside the mat with guy on the bottom in semi butterfly guard (one shin on opponents hips) from that position ( OFF THE MAT, ON THE FLOOR ) guy from top passed the guard to the side mount. And that doesn't count because the guard pass started outside the mat.(so only 2 points for a takedown instead of 4 for a clean one)
And that seems pretty obvious.
There was also one situation that from thai clinch both guys landed on their knees, opposite each other and one guy grabbed guillotine grip. There is no way that he could get point for takedown for that, because it wasn't a takedown..simple is that.

If you are talking about different situation maybe you could share that with us.

I know that there were some problems on the mat 3 and I totally understand that as I saw some mistakes there as well but this ref was later replaced and we can just apologise for that and promise it will never happen again.
Loosing by a refs decision is one of worst things that can happen to an athlete, it happened to me few times, to my friends and my students but I am pretty sure that only small percentage of complains made that afternoon have a real coverage in truth.

The event was very well run again with exciting fights, good prizes and great atmosphere.

As I said before i'm not denying that it was a rell run event. I know of 2 seperate occasions where the clean takedown pointing didn't occur, one on mat 2 & one on mat 3, it may have happened more than this. On mat 4 there was a lot of missed points and the re-setting of positions was terrible, I remember a re-start where some of the audience had to intervene as the referee forgot where he'd stopped the fight. I could go on and on but I wont. All i'm saying is that there needs to be a lot of improvements in the refereeing department! People are travelling miles and paying £25 to compete!


We went through the process of bringing a medic, he must have gone for a break and many shows dont even have a medic. It is very difficult to referee a grappling competition occasionally mistakes are made but to lose and make excuses by blaming referees wont help you progress and improve in your grappling skill level. Learn from your weaknesses positively and become a competition champion. Grapplemania sponsers were generous enough to give supplements which were allocated to the advanced divisions, there were no supplements for novices and kids. We will endavour to supply supplements to novices in the future.

Occasional mistakes are acceptable but the amount I and others witnessed was not. Please don't insult me by saying i'm making excuses. I know that i'm at best an average grappler and have a vast amount of work to do in every aspect of my game. I wasn't the only one affected by these poor decisions. I've been to several grappling competitions before and lost before, not once have I complained, the reason behind this was because it was a very well officiated competition and I lost fair and square. At this event it was a different story. Wisniewski seems like a great guy and apologised for anything that may have went wrong and is seeking to improve. You on the other hand are blaming others for your shows obvious ineptness and taking this attitude will only hinder any future progress you & your show wish to make.

[Levo]

Some of my guys matches:

Ranjeet "Suave" Baria SemiFinal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzr5AValtYs

Liam "Bermuda" Corrigan SemiFinal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehwb9eZ9KJc

Liam "Bermuda" Corrigan vs. Ranjeet "Suave" Baria Final
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OulnZO5kop0

Chris White 1st Match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvVEej0CDE0

Nathan

[MrSimon]

To add to the list of refing mistakes, i saw a fight started with the score reading 2 - 0. Luckily this fight ended via submission, otherwise someone might have lost by points which shouldn't have even been on the scoreboard!

[MrSimon]

Are the results being posted?

[zippy]

I enjoyed it and would not like to organise or ref such an event, it seems like a no win situation.

[dude501]

I really enjoyed the event i thought it was really well ran. The supplements was a great idea. The only thing i have to criticise is the ref at mat 3 he was a bit off, but i talked to the organisers of the event and they said they would replace him for the next event.

[Doug@Phoenix]

I really enjoyed the event i thought it was really well ran. The supplements was a great idea. The only thing i have to criticise is the ref at mat 3 he was a bit off, but i talked to the organisers of the event and they said they would replace him for the next event.

What happened to you like bud? I have to agree like, he was by far the worst!

[NeilD]

Sheesh Chris just cos you got beat ;)

[MrSimon]

Are the results being posted?

............Anybody?