how racist are you?

[SoulBrother12]

anybody watching it.. i did this in psychology last year its shocking

quite unethical haha

[BlueRabbit]

I think that some of the people on the programme will watch it and think 'I came across as an ignorant prick'.... Or at least they should do.

[SoulBrother12]

that ginger kid at the beginning, he was a total ignorant fuck wit..

[Ian23]

that ginger kid at the beginning, he was a total ignorant fuck wit..

had to brush my teeth after seeing that fucker so missed the bloody show

[r-v]

had to brush my teeth after seeing that fucker so missed the bloody show

lol his teeth matched his hair colour

[Ben_Hutch]

Just started watching it on Channel 4+1, it seems like she's assuming it's only white people who are racist and that white people will only stick up for other white people.

[vileniall]

Just started watching it on Channel 4+1, it seems like she's assuming it's only white people who are racist and that white people will only stick up for other white people.

YEAH! Ben my honkey friend is right!


is there somewhere online i can test how racist i am?

[BlueRabbit]

YEAH! Ben my honkey friend is right!


is there somewhere online i can test how racist i am?

www.wereyouafanofthethecosbyshow.com

[vileniall]

hmmm i do prefere micheal jackson's later work????

[BlueRabbit]

hmmm i do prefere micheal jackson's later work????

perhaps you're not racist, you just like paedos?

[vileniall]

perhaps you're not racist, you just like paedos?

nah i dont enjoy garry glitter.

[BlueRabbit]

nah i dont enjoy garry glitter.

...said little tommy, aged 5 and a half.

Sorry. I couldnt resist. :)

[vileniall]

garry glitter comes home from a concert to find his wife on the door step. she says to him
"I'm leaving you gary, because I've heard your a paedophile!"
"Paedophile?" said gary "thats a big word for a 7 year old"

[IceKid]

garry glitter comes home from a concert to find his wife on the door step. she says to him
"I'm leaving you gary, because I've heard your a paedophile!"
"Paedophile?" said gary "thats a big word for a 7 year old"

rofl 10

[mack3333]

The old black woman was loving it. I'm calling bullshit on her story about cashiers serving white people who were behind her in the queue first though. I've never seen anything like that happen.

The problem I had was that American woman had taken a concept based on 60's America and taken it to Britain 2009. I mean she brought up lynching as an argument ffs. Her, and those annoying people behind the scenes, were also working on the assumption that every black/asian person suffers massive discrimination every day, and that white people are incapable of seeing it (inherently racist thing to say).

Their basic premise was that white people are either racist, or too dumb to be able to notice it when it happens. Bollocks I say.

[londonpride]

whilst programs like this continue to be created by the loopy left we'll never break down race barriers and treat everyone as equal. there's always some pc cunt analysing how people of different races interact then telling us its incorrect. yet isnt it racist to focus on how 'different races act'? surely as humans we should all be treated as one and race should NEVER come into it?

i thought that was the idea? yet the left who claim to not be racist are the ones who continually mention race and point out humanities differences.

how will we ever stop racism when we have people telling us we shouldnt say something to somebody because it is "racially insensitive".

[londonpride]

The old black woman was loving it. I'm calling bullshit on her story about cashiers serving white people who were behind her in the queue first though. I've never seen anything like that happen.

The problem I had was that American woman had taken a concept based on 60's America and taken it to Britain 2009. I mean she brought up lynching as an argument ffs. Her, and those annoying people behind the scenes, were also working on the assumption that every black/asian person suffers massive discrimination every day, and that white people are incapable of seeing it (inherently racist thing to say).

Their basic premise was that white people are either racist, or too dumb to be able to notice it when it happens. Bollocks I say.

spot on.

only whites are racist though.

we dealt in the slave trade only just over 4 generations ago, i think it's right that we should still be reminded of it on a regular basis. it's quite right for blacks to use it as a valid excuse for their behaviour towards white people. after all, we're the nasty colonials who are too ignorant to see racism, or, are racists ourselves.


if i were prime minister the words race and racist word be banned.

[Bateman]

i like the blue eye / brown eye theory, why didnt she just do whites and non whites ? which is pretty much what she did.

I also thought that about taking 1960's logic and putting it in modern day britain wouldnt quite work

[Sledge]

The show was the biggest load of shit ever.

The old yank woman was trying to teach people not to discriminate but then immediately excluded people who disagreed with her point of view. The most bigoted thing I have ever seen.

And the blue eye/brown eye thing is no better than saying whites on 1 team blacks on another.

To make it a fair comparrison they should have numbered off 1, 2, 1, 2 on the way in. Not done it by some other form of colour separation.

She was asking very closed questions to provoke a desired reaction. The only lynching was by her.

[RetoxGuru]

I think possibly a couple of points being overlooked.

The idea behind the superior brown eyed group, is that it creates a majority non-white group. The groups aren't intended to be random selected.

One of the intentions (although not often apparent to the participants) is that both blacks and whites will revert to black and white sterortyped behaviour and attitudes when in this kind of situation.

[Travis Bickle]

I'm sick of white people being made out to be racists all the time, there are racists in all communities.

Malcolm X was a racist be no one remembers that bit, Gandhi was also a racist be everyone seems to forget about that and as for the slave trade which was horrific plenty of Black Africans got rich from selliing their brethren to the European slave traders and the Arabs were also heavily involved on the slave trade.

to be continued :confused:

[Xanthic]

Just started watching it on Channel 4+1, it seems like she's assuming it's only white people who are racist and that white people will only stick up for other white people.

You're missing the point.

It was role reversal and what she was doing was discriminating against a particular group of people – what mattered was the people that were being discriminated against weren’t accepting that racism is an issue and discrimination between races is non-existent in Britain.

That teacher got on my tits. I understood what the black guy meant about ‘playing the game’ and when he brought up the the point about picking his daughter up from school I understood what he meant too. Her point about her husband not wearing scruffy clothes when picking her kids up though was just completely stupid and she completely missed the point. It’s not the same.

I dont agree with the way she carried the experiment out but it didn't suprise me that it was the white people who were going on like racism isnt a problem/as much of a problem. I'm not saying only white people are racist cos I've seen the other side and believe me, none-whites are just as bad.

I can’t understand how people don’t ‘get’ what she was doing.

[ShaolinSubz02]

The program clearly demonstrated that people are ignorant of what it means to live with racism, and even the liberals who believe they can 'empathise' had a hard time grasping the basics of the experiement, instead of actively paritcipating and helping other people more ignorant to realise the difficulties of living within a 'racist' society they chose to 'make a stand' and in doing so have the complete opposite effect.

Personaly I thought the experiement was flawed to hell but it did get people thinking which is a good thing

on a side note. Boobies

[Xanthic]

The program clearly demonstrated that people are ignorant of what it means to live with racism, and even the liberals who believe they can 'empathise' had a hard time grasping the basics of the experiement, instead of actively paritcipating and helping other people more ignorant to realise the difficulties of living within a 'racist' society they chose to 'make a stand' and in doing so have the complete opposite effect.

THANK YOU!!!! I couldnt for the life of me think to write what you just wrote.

:)

[Xanthic]

The show was the biggest load of shit ever.

The old yank woman was trying to teach people not to discriminate but then immediately excluded people who disagreed with her point of view. The most bigoted thing I have ever seen.

Immediately excluded. Point of the exercise?

She fobbed off anyone who wasnt 'with' the same way as she thought. The same thing with racism, you exclude/fob off the people who arent the same, racists dont care whether you like the same clothes, participate in the same sports, like the same beers - regardless of any of those things - if you're not the same as them skin colour wise they're going to constantly argue against you.

She did it in a harsh way but like the people in the back room said, she needed to squeeze a lifetime of racism into 10 hours and being harsh was the only way it could have been done.

[Manik]

i like the blue eye / brown eye theory, why didnt she just do whites and non whites ? which is pretty much what she did.



To show how petty and trivial the basis of discrimination is, and to show people who may not normally be discriminated against what it feels like, I haven't however seen the programme just the original experiment.

[Bateman]

To show how petty and trivial the basis of discrimination is, and to show people who may not normally be discriminated against what it feels like, I haven't however seen the programme just the original experiment.

it probably worked in a 1960's school in america when the class was 100 % white, blue eyes against brown eyes, but not today in a multi cultural society.

It didnt prove anything , it just showed how out of date her theory is.

[ShaolinSubz02]

it probably worked in a 1960's school in america when the class was 100 % white, blue eyes against brown eyes, but not today in a multi cultural society.

It didnt prove anything , it just showed how out of date her theory is.

It demonstrated clearly that ignorance of racist experience exists. It also demonstrated that racism will never go away when you have such ignorance perpetuated by people such as so called 'teachers' who are "surpised to see under the black skin was pink flesh" WTF?

etc etc boobies

[Jogs D]

Give me boobies any time...

Didn't watch this programme - by all accounts sounds like a crock of shite.....

[Xanthic]

It demonstrated clearly that ignorance of racist experience exists. It also demonstrated that racism will never go away when you have such ignorance perpetuated by people such as so called 'teachers' who are "surpised to see under the black skin was pink flesh" WTF?

etc etc boobies

Yeah that part got me too.

And the part where the other woman said "I can empathise...", empathy isn't the same thing. You can't put yourself in my shoes and understand what I'm going through when it comes to this.

There are certain things you can empathise with people but racism isn't one of them IMO. Physical, verbal and mental abuse? That's like saying you can empathise with a rape or a bully victim... but obviously rape is another level.

[Bateman]

It demonstrated clearly that ignorance of racist experience exists. It also demonstrated that racism will never go away when you have such ignorance perpetuated by people such as so called 'teachers' who are "surpised to see under the black skin was pink flesh" WTF?

etc etc boobies

I like Boobies ...brown, white or black , I dont mind. No green ones !

[madhorsebjj]

Was a really good show. The bit that really got me was how effected the kids in the States were by being told blue-eyed people were inferior and being treated in a unfriendly manner.

Also interesting was how none of the white people would accept that there is racism in our society and that other groups get discriminated against. It really saddened me to see how ignorant people are and how their views are basically determined by some rubbish they read in the Sun or the Mail. Obviously people do experience discrimination and it's not for someone else to say it doesn't exist when they don't have any understanding of what racism is and how it is not comparable to not fitting into a shirt.

Before anyone says anything about me being pc, in another thread I made the point about white victims of Muslim attacks, etc etc so I always call out injustice whenever I see it and whoever is doing it. That white teacher was so close-minded, I was shocked she is educating kids when she herself is so ignorant.

[Nimmy]

lol his teeth matched his hair colour


that ginger kid at the beginning, he was a total ignorant fuck wit..

the irony... commenting on how ignorant the "ginger" kid was and poking fun at his hair colour... whilst labelling him and insulting him based on something that he was born with

[madhorsebjj]

the irony... commenting on how ignorant the "ginger" kid was and poking fun at his hair colour... whilst labelling him and insulting him based on something that he was born with

Not insulting him just describing him. Describing someone as white, black, Asian or ginger is hardly an insulting term.

[Femme-ma]

I think possibly a couple of points being overlooked.

The idea behind the superior brown eyed group, is that it creates a majority non-white group. The groups aren't intended to be random selected.



Is that actually true? The initial experiment was carried out in a school class of exclusively white children. It's just a random physical characteristic which allows illustration of the absurdiity and arbitary nature of discimination.

I actually really liked the program and the experiment.

[ShaolinSubz02]

I like Boobies ...brown, white or black , I dont mind. No green ones !

hmmmmmmmmm I like boobies of all varieties.. mmmmmmmm boobies

[Nimmy]

Not insulting him just describing him. Describing someone as white, black, Asian or ginger is hardly an insulting term.

in an ideal world, trying calling somoene a black prick im sure you would get shot.. call someone a ginger prick and nobody minds

[RetoxGuru]

Is that actually true? The initial experiment was carried out in a school class of exclusively white children. It's just a random physical characteristic which allows illustration of the absurdiity and arbitary nature of discimination.

I actually really liked the program and the experiment.

yep, initially the experiment was used to examine the effects of discrimination amongst white kids. but apparently evolved over time, particualrly when Elliot started conducting workplace diversity training in the 70s.

i think the basis the experiment is run on now is that the behaviours exhibited can be predicted based on the makeup of the control group used.

so i can't say it was absolutley true of last night, but it has been run in the past to create a black-white divide based on physical charecteristics.

[ShaolinSubz02]

in an ideal world, trying calling somoene a black prick im sure you would get shot.. call someone a ginger prick and nobody minds

Its really very far from being the same Nimmy. Very far indeed

[Nimmy]

Its really very far from being the same Nimmy. Very far indeed

how is it tho?

Technically you are discriminating against someones genes, something they cant change?

Im sure if you go to school as a kid with Ginger hair and all you hear all your life is ginger bastard this ginger cunt that it hurts as much as how a black person feels getting called "nigger" or an asian "Paki".

The difference you will tell me is that people with ginger hair havnt been persecuted or put in chains for centuries? well i dont see any of the young black generation in chains? yet its acceptable to discriminate against one but not the other.

[foxy]

nimmy just cause your a fucking ginger, get over it you soft cunt

http://images.roflposters.com/images/rofl/thumbs/1229784245.1229784246.jpg.thumb.jpg

[Nimmy]

nimmy just cause your a fucking ginger, get over it you soft cunt

http://images.roflposters.com/images/rofl/thumbs/1229784245.1229784246.jpg.thumb.jpg

lol how did you guess :D

[foxy]

mate is that a ginger bread man in your avtar, ha ha quality!

[ShaolinSubz02]

how is it tho?

Technically you are discriminating against someones genes, something they cant change?

Im sure if you go to school as a kid with Ginger hair and all you hear all your life is ginger bastard this ginger cunt that it hurts as much as how a black person feels getting called "nigger" or an asian "Paki".

The difference you will tell me is that people with ginger hair havnt been persecuted or put in chains for centuries? well i dont see any of the young black generation in chains? yet its acceptable to discriminate against one but not the other.

At a guess I would suggest that school teachers don't think your cuts would not be pink, that there are not large organisations including scientific nstitutions that believe you are inherinetly intellectually inferior due to your gingerness, that you possibly don't recieve the same kind of predujice for your entire family (Unless they are all ginger?) and possibly do not have a continenent of gingers that have been treated as inferior etc etc. Not saying being Ginger isn't shit (Just kidding). :D, Just saying it does not represent the same kind of sweeping blanket predujice (Spelling is fooked today 0 - busy)

[Nimmy]

mate is that a ginger bread man in your avtar, ha ha quality!

its the Ginja Ninja!

[mack3333]

I also didn't like the assumption that any white person standing up for another white person, is doing so because they're racist. No, they're doing it because they saw discrimination, and they would do the exact same thing if it was happening to a black or asian person. But no, white people don't notice that when it happens...bollocks.

[Jamie Taylor]

Missed this.

I did however watch the intelligence debate the night before, interesting stuff.

[Basilisk]

At a guess I would suggest that school teachers don't think your cuts would not be pink, that there are not large organisations including scientific nstitutions that believe you are inherinetly intellectually inferior due to your gingerness, that you possibly don't recieve the same kind of predujice for your entire family (Unless they are all ginger?) and possibly do not have a continenent of gingers that have been treated as inferior etc etc. Not saying being Ginger isn't shit (Just kidding). :D, Just saying it does not represent the same kind of sweeping blanket predujice (Spelling is fooked today 0 - busy)

Ginger people are less intelligent but they also posses "ginger strength".

[ShaolinSubz02]

I also didn't like the assumption that any white person standing up for another white person, is doing so because they're racist. No, they're doing it because they saw discrimination, and they would do the exact same thing if it was happening to a black or asian person. But no, white people don't notice that when it happens...bollocks.

I think this is a confusing aspect of the test. By standing up you are defeating the point of the experiment. So its not really an inditement against the blue eyes or brown eyes for standing up against oppresion, but rather negative to the experiment. But I agree, its nice to see people not like bad treatment of others but its the indemicness that the test was attempting to communicate

[ShaolinSubz02]

Ginger people are less intelligent but they also posses "ginger strength".

I have heard tale of this. I avoid sparring with ginger bearded people due to the clear manly strength advantage they posess

[KODE]

spot on.

only whites are racist though.
we dealt in the slave trade only just over 4 generations ago, i think it's right that we should still be reminded of it on a regular basis. it's quite right for blacks to use it as a valid excuse for their behaviour towards white people. after all, we're the nasty colonials who are too ignorant to see racism, or, are racists ourselves.


if i were prime minister the words race and racist word be banned.

Bull shit! I'm not gonna say im not racist because I believe to some extent everyone is, but I dont hate anyone for the colour of their skin!!!:mad: i've been spat on and had stuff thrown at me by a bunch of Somalians for being White! Explain that if only Whites are racist?

And I'm sorry to say this, but the 'Scary White man' never just walked into Africa and started taking people creating Slavery. Slavery has been around since the Egyptians, and even before that! And you know what, guess where Egypt is??? AFRICA! Oh and by the way, Do some research before you spout some shit you know nothing about, The Arab slave trade took an estimated 16million Africans between around 670AD to 1900AD.

Im not saying that makes it any better that European Slavery existed but what I am saying is that its not just Whites who have, and still practise slavery.

[Ben_Hutch]

The programme was ridiculous, it was a bunch of people arguing amongst themselves (something I could see in a pub) with a black lady loving it and feeling sorry for herself, yes the majority of 'kids' stopped and searched are black, but is that not because the majority of stabbings/shootings are commited by young black males? Surely it'd be stupid to search an equal amount of every race when a certain race is commiting the majority of the said crimes.

This experiment was set up in 1960's America and built for that time, the old white bitch didn't take into account that racism isn't as much of a problem as it used to be, I'm not saying it doesn't exist because that'd be ignorant, but it isn't as much of a problem as it used to be and it certainly occurs amongst all races.

The old bitch made some real stupid statements as well; "Some of us white folks would rather not see white folks verbally....abused", she's saying that white people will only stick up for other white people and that white people don't really care if other race's are verbally abused. That's just straight up bullshit, if I saw someone being unfaily attacked then I'd stick up for them no matter what race they were.

Another stupid statement she made was at the end, when she was being interviewed she said "What I do looks brutal to white people", well that's another ridiculous statement because she's assuming that white people have never experienced racism, when infact they do.

[Rob T]

large organisations including scientific nstitutions that believe you are inherinetly intellectually inferior

Which scientific institutions believe non-whites to be intellectually inferior?

[ShaolinSubz02]

Which scientific institutions believe non-whites to be intellectually inferior?

type in IQ and race into google - and remember, the IQ test is a heap of dog dung that fails to take into account cognitive skills outside of those needed to conform to a captalist industiral/technological enviroment

[Femme-ma]

I think this is a confusing aspect of the test. By standing up you are defeating the point of the experiment. So its not really an inditement against the blue eyes or brown eyes for standing up against oppresion, but rather negative to the experiment. But I agree, its nice to see people not like bad treatment of others but its the indemicness that the test was attempting to communicate

I think you are very right. Looking at it dispassionately, the experiment needs to create a partiular environment and depends on predictable reactions from the subjects. Which didn't happen in this case.

I found some of the conclusions which were being drawn on the denial of some of the subjects who couldn't comprehend the enormity of sociological and institutional discrimination as it never happened to them to be pretty spot on.

I've seen exactly the same reaction in equal opportunities discussions in the workplace.

[Rob T]

type in IQ and race into google - and remember, the IQ test is a heap of dog dung that fails to take into account cognitive skills outside of those needed to conform to a captalist industiral/technological enviroment

Can't you just answer my question?

[Nick Griffin]

Jane Elliot is a bitch

[ShaolinSubz02]

Can't you just answer my question?

LOL. The IQ test is a scientific and established test of Intelligence. It is widely understood that various racial groups (From specific enviroments) score differently when taking the IQ test. For instance first up are 'Asians' then 'Whites' then blah blah blah with Aboriginal Ozzies at the bottom scoring around 45-55 IQ. Clearly a crock of shit - but a view engrained in scientifc study.

Look at History also. Especially in reference to ancient Egypt. Its clear that Black skinned Afircans from Nubia and Sudan had a massive influence on the first dynasty, infact Narmer, the Pharoah of the first dynasty appears to be black

http://www.africawithin.com/images/Narmer%5B1%5D.jpg

but this is not taught. Neither is the value of Nubia in Mathmatics and Chemistry. Its a bit of a white wash. But this is to be expected as most historical knowlege of Afirca comes off the building blocks and foundations laid by very white, very racist explorers during and prior to the colonial era

[Nick Griffin]

This programm was very enlightening to me and I will certainly be giving those black folks a bit of slack from now on

[iandean]

type in IQ and race into google - and remember, the IQ test is a heap of dog dung that fails to take into account cognitive skills outside of those needed to conform to a captalist industiral/technological enviroment

/fail

I'm sure it's the same for white working class / blue collar people too

[ShaolinSubz02]

/fail

I'm sure it's the same for white working class / blue collar people too

Not sure what you mean. I did not develop the test

[ShaolinSubz02]

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/race-and-intelligence-sciences-last-taboo

[Femme-ma]

/fail

I'm sure it's the same for white working class / blue collar people too

/+ fail. There is actually a raging scientific and political debate on this subject, with Professor Richard Lynn being a major antagoonist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Lynn#Race_differences_in_intelligence

He also extends his views to gender as well as race.

Check out Leon Kamin for the constructive counterargument that IQ assessments have a strong cultural bias.

http://www.indiana.edu/~intell/kamin.shtml

Do more research.......

[Leesin]

I'm not racist at all but I'm sick of the race card being pulled everytime a white person does something to a person of another race, but when its the other way around its just a normal 'attack' etc.

Also the bitching about it mainly being young black males being searched, isn't this the case in America too ? hmm. Oh yeah, it was the african tribes who captured other africans and traded them with us ! so instead of blaming us for everything and call it racist why dont they go blame their own people too.

I would be more than happy for the whiners to go live in poverty and wooden huts if they want to bitch about white people and slavery because it absolutely isnt my fault or problem and the certain people who bang on about it need to shut the fuck up and stop feeling sorry for themselves, shit happens, our island has been raped time and time again throughout history, we aren't bitching about it.

I've got quite a few black friends who are nothing like these idiots, infact I've got friends of all races, we can joke racially with eachother without anyone taking offense, which proves to me these idiots are just attention seekers.

[ShaolinSubz02]

I'm not racist at all but I'm sick of the race card being pulled everytime a white person does something to a person of another race, but when its the other way around its just a normal 'attack' etc.

Also the bitching about it mainly being young black males being searched, isn't this the case in America too ? hmm. Oh yeah, it was the african tribes who captured other africans and traded them with us ! so instead of blaming us for everything and call it racist why dont they go blame their own people too.

I would be more than happy for the whiners to go live in poverty and wooden huts if they want to bitch about white people and slavery because it absolutely isnt my fault or problem and the certain people who bang on about it need to shut the fuck up and stop feeling sorry for themselves, shit happens, our island has been raped time and time again throughout history, we aren't bitching about it.

I've got quite a few black friends who are nothing like these idiots, infact I've got friends of all races, we can joke racially with eachother without anyone taking offense, which proves to me these idiots are just attention seekers.

as far as I am concerned you know you are missing the point. I don't disagree with what you say about people being too PC, or Africans trading Africans to the wider market for weapons, but placed in context of the argument all these points back up the arguments raised by the experiment, that we live in a white dominated intrinsicaly racist society. I am not calling any cards or saying you are racist or he is racist I am just looking at things from a different perspective

[Ben_Hutch]

as far as I am concerned you know you are missing the point. I don't disagree with what you say about people being too PC, or Africans trading Africans to the wider market for weapons, but placed in context of the argument all these points back up the arguments raised by the experiment, that we live in a white dominated intrinsicaly racist society. I am not calling any cards or saying you are racist or he is racist I am just looking at things from a different perspective

What examples are there of the racism you're speaking about? (for the record I'm not saying you're wrong, I would genuinly like to know).

And so Channel 4 made a programme with an old bitch just to say to us that the majority of people in the UK are white and that racism occurs? Really? Well I'd never have fucking guessed.

[Jak-TapouT-]

I'm not racist at all but I'm sick of the race card being pulled everytime a white person does something to a person of another race, but when its the other way around its just a normal 'attack' etc.

Also the bitching about it mainly being young black males being searched, isn't this the case in America too ? hmm. Oh yeah, it was the african tribes who captured other africans and traded them with us ! so instead of blaming us for everything and call it racist why dont they go blame their own people too.

I would be more than happy for the whiners to go live in poverty and wooden huts if they want to bitch about white people and slavery because it absolutely isnt my fault or problem and the certain people who bang on about it need to shut the fuck up and stop feeling sorry for themselves, shit happens, our island has been raped time and time again throughout history, we aren't bitching about it.

I've got quite a few black friends who are nothing like these idiots, infact I've got friends of all races, we can joke racially with eachother without anyone taking offense, which proves to me these idiots are just attention seekers.

Great Post. Some of my Black Mates take the piss out of me and pull the race card litteraly at every opportunity - in a sarcastic, joke way, they realise the idiocy involved with this issue.. Just shows that it isnt "blacks" in general who are acting like cunts, its a select number of people who just want attention. I agree with London Pride (or RobT cant remember) comment in an earlier thread about banning the word "Racist"

[Waz]

that crazy bitch would die if she ever saw what gose on were i train

[Leesin]

as far as I am concerned you know you are missing the point. I don't disagree with what you say about people being too PC, or Africans trading Africans to the wider market for weapons, but placed in context of the argument all these points back up the arguments raised by the experiment, that we live in a white dominated intrinsicaly racist society. I am not calling any cards or saying you are racist or he is racist I am just looking at things from a different perspective

The point is there is racist people in every country, but I know FAR more white people who arent racist at all than I do people who are just slightly racist. You don't even have to be a different colour to get discriminated, go to places in spain or somewhere else in europe and you'll get abused and perhaps attacked for being English.

To go as far as saying england is a racist country is bullshit, it just so happens that tons more white people live here thus there are obviously going to be more white racists, not everyone is born with a fully working brain and parents that teach them not to be racist. There will ALWAYS be racism in the world and believe it or not, the UK. It isn't our fault and IMO we already do as much as we can to educate people, but people have the freedom to believe what they want.

[Travis Bickle]

I'm not racist at all but I'm sick of the race card being pulled everytime a white person does something to a person of another race, but when its the other way around its just a normal 'attack' etc.

Also the bitching about it mainly being young black males being searched, isn't this the case in America too ? hmm. Oh yeah, it was the african tribes who captured other africans and traded them with us ! so instead of blaming us for everything and call it racist why dont they go blame their own people too.

I would be more than happy for the whiners to go live in poverty and wooden huts if they want to bitch about white people and slavery because it absolutely isnt my fault or problem and the certain people who bang on about it need to shut the fuck up and stop feeling sorry for themselves, shit happens, our island has been raped time and time again throughout history, we aren't bitching about it.

I've got quite a few black friends who are nothing like these idiots, infact I've got friends of all races, we can joke racially with eachother without anyone taking offense, which proves to me these idiots are just attention seekers.


nice post Leesin :D

[ShaolinSubz02]

The point is there is racist people in every country, but I know FAR more white people who arent racist at all than I do people who are just slightly racist. You don't even have to be a different colour to get discriminated, go to places in spain or somewhere else in europe and you'll get abused and perhaps attacked for being English.

To go as far as saying england is a racist country is bullshit, it just so happens that tons more white people live here thus there are obviously going to be more white racists, not everyone is born with a fully working brain and parents that teach them not to be racist. There will ALWAYS be racism in the world and believe it or not, the UK. It isn't our fault and IMO we already do as much as we can to educate people, but people have the freedom to believe what they want.

Don't get me twisted. Firstly I have not said England is racist. I have said that our current culture is inherintly racist. Its kind of our responsiblity as educated men and women of the dominant monetary society to understand tha racism is not just a thing that effects the white family in the Asian community or the black family in the white community etc et all, but to realise that its bigger then that, its on a monetary and trade level and embedded and constructed through popular culture sometimes blatenty but in the main subversly and that ths racism is not necissarily a conscious choice. I can give two examples, one is something I noticed today on an advert for Egypt toursim on the tube this morning.

It was an advert with the pyramids and sphinx with the image of a good looking white womans face super imposed in front of the landscape with the catch line above her image. Now its not racist, its an advert for Egypt. Maybe the white face is to try and make the country seem more accomadating to Europeans to travel to. It must have been commisioned by the Egyptian tourist board. But why a white woman? Why not an Arab Egyptian? Why not a native Egyptian? Could simply be the choice of the time or racial equality programs right? But I think its more complicated then that. I believe it was a conscious choice based on main stream popular culture to do with what represents attractiveness, pureness and safety

Its a little deeper then simple racism as we are shown it by the press. They would have you believe racism is about poeple getting stabbed for there colour etc, yes of course it is but deeper still is the subconscious injections of what is attractive, what is good, what is pure, what is evil etc, and not all of it is clear cut but it is there.

The second example is the 'black doll white doll' study which is an even clearer illustration of the point. A group of young black girls are asked to choose between a white toy doll and a black toy doll, they are thenasked why they made the choice. The majority of young girls choose the white doll and make statements to the effect of wanting to be white, and derogatory statments about being black.

Here is a link to the original study done after segregation was abandoned in the states (Not that long ago either) but many more studies have been done since with similar results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_and_Mamie_Clark

My point being, whats on the surface is easy to react against. I am white and like you have friends from all races, I also would step in if some cunt was being racist whatever way round the racism was, but how do you stand up against what is not there to physicallyfight? Obviously through education and understanding, that way it feeds into the political system and can gain popular support or revolution (for monetary systems that will never change without drastic measures).

Same way our monetary system will always destroy the envioment and feed from poorer nations (and very intetionally keep those systems and states poor and corrupt - for this exact reason) so too will racism be indemic becuse they walk hand in hand and are older systems and stronger systems then we care to believe.

I would go further and say that in the US Black Americans are marigalised due to crime etc, but we in the UK know that this is not that straight forward and I suggest that it WAS the slave trade and segregation that fed poverty and crime by segregating intentionally uneducated and marginalised people and creating the cycle of ghetto mentality that holds people down and repeats the crime cycle. Then you throw in the Prison system and the Prison industrial complex and you have a never ending and benificial system to certain political agendas.

[Lyoto The Cheater Machida]

Haha I love how her experiment totally failed

Good on the people



The way that I see it is

1) Non whites (specifically blacks) tend to think that racism happens a lot more than it does. Some people are just rude fuckers in general and will overlook you/look down on you because they're twats. It also annoys me how a lot of black people think that whites are just "ignorant" or "dont understand". Stop being so fucking arrogant...a lot of the white people there were just nice fucking people and wouldnt let somebody be racially abused in the street. Believe them when they tell you
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2) Just because YOU yourself arent racist...doesnt mean that non whites haven't been subject to racism. Racism DOES exist and there are ignorant racists that probably express themselves in a subtle way. I'm sure there are people out there that arent outwardly racist...but do happen to feel less comfortable amongst non whites (like the older lady i nthe show was saying).

[Basilisk]

I'm black and I'm racist as a muthafucka.
Who cares?
Someone calls me a nigger I say fuck you little dick whiteboy.
Fuck it.

[Stubbsy]

If she wants to provoke racism and be the victim I say let the slag have it.