Question for you grappling gurus out there....

[steve_langford]

Last night while training I kept getting stacked everytime I locked in a triangle or arm-bar from guard!!!

Is there a way of neutralizing this? It gets thrustrating as hell!

please help?

[dwarfofdoom]

Last night while training I kept getting stacked everytime I locked in a triangle or arm-bar from guard!!!

Is there a way of neutralizing this? It gets thrustrating as hell!

please help?

hook a leg,should stop them from stacking/standing up you as you could sweep them. Also make sure your at right angles to them as this will mean they can't ut as much pressure on yer neck.

[NickKnight]

Last night while training I kept getting stacked everytime I locked in a triangle or arm-bar from guard!!!

Is there a way of neutralizing this? It gets thrustrating as hell!

please help?

Where are you training now mate?

[steve_langford]

hook a leg,should stop them from stacking/standing up you as you could sweep them. Also make sure your at right angles to them as this will mean they can't put as much pressure on yer neck.

makes sense mate , thanks.

The main problem was when I was setting up the triangle , before I had even locked my legs , boom! ........ stacked!

[steve_langford]

Where are you training now mate?

Just did a session with wolfpack mate

[wagon]

Same happens to me a lot. Angles are the key just mine are a bit shit:D

[undercard]

Yep angles and flexibility. Drill rolling your legs behind your head, then to each side. This is not dis-similar to being stacked and will help with flexibility.

[Manik]

angle to the side

[faithsdaddy]

Grab a ball and squeeze. He'll want to move away a bit after that.

[T-T]

Something I seen on a Ryan Hall clip which helped me alot was walking your shoulders back as your being stacked, seems really obvious but it made a difference to my success rate with triangles. If you can walk your shoulders back maintaining head control and obviously look for the angle and hook the leg you should get the tap!

[rjd]

walking your shoulders back as your being stacked

Give that man a CIGAR!

[The Natural]

Something I seen on a Ryan Hall clip which helped me alot was walking your shoulders back as your being stacked, seems really obvious but it made a difference to my success rate with triangles. If you can walk your shoulders back maintaining head control and obviously look for the angle and hook the leg you should get the tap!

things are only obvious to people that know the answer!!;)

[david5]

with the armbar you have three options depending on the type of stack they give you

1) sweep
2) go facedown and finnish the armbar
3) spin under ending facedown

[Levo]

For triangle, some basic quick tips would be:
- Control his posture. If you cannot break his posture you wouldn't be able to triangle. Keep posture broken throughout and drill smashing them down if they regain it.
- Pull them to your belly button, not chest. In most cases your knees shouldn't be coming to your shoulders but many people do that so are essentially stacking themselves. Most peoples thighs should be more vertical. Makes more sense if you see it.
- It's your back getting bent and knees stacked to head which is the problem so if stacked shoulder crawl back and keep back along floor with them above your belly. If you need to curl up (to reach for an ankle to lock up deeper for example) then do it towards them like a crunch, not bring them to you getting stacked on shoulders.
- If can't shoulder walk you can force it by grabbing shin that is across neck on inside of other leg and, while holding down head with other hand and keeping tight, unlock triangle putting that foot on hip. Pushing off their hip while pulling down on head and shin you should be able to shoulder walk back to good position.
- Once you have position locked in get your angle asap so they can't drive directly forward towards your head. Beware of angling before it's locked in as good guys will just smash pass you or shuck leg off head.
- Have an option to bail and get back to guard. Knowing when to let go is as important as knowing when to go for things. Not every attempt is gonna be a finish.

More advanced options would include:
- Spin and angle to another move (usually armbar or omoplata). Risky as that may be what they want.
- Roll or twist to mounted triangle. Various methods, none particularly easy!

As for armbar: sweep them. More advanced moves include spinning all the way under to face down or juji roll armbar but basically trying to get better at sweeping them from there is the answer.

Hope that makes sense.

Nathan

[steve_langford]

For triangle, some basic quick tips would be:
- Control his posture. If you cannot break his posture you wouldn't be able to triangle. Keep posture broken throughout and drill smashing them down if they regain it.
- Pull them to your belly button, not chest. In most cases your knees shouldn't be coming to your shoulders but many people do that so are essentially stacking themselves. Most peoples thighs should be more vertical. Makes more sense if you see it.
- It's your back getting bent and knees stacked to head which is the problem so if stacked shoulder crawl back and keep back along floor with them above your belly. If you need to curl up (to reach for an ankle to lock up deeper for example) then do it towards them like a crunch, not bring them to you getting stacked on shoulders.
- If can't shoulder walk you can force it by grabbing shin that is across neck on inside of other leg and, while holding down head with other hand and keeping tight, unlock triangle putting that foot on hip. Pushing off their hip while pulling down on head and shin you should be able to shoulder walk back to good position.
- Once you have position locked in get your angle asap so they can't drive directly forward towards your head. Beware of angling before it's locked in as good guys will just smash pass you or shuck leg off head.
- Have an option to bail and get back to guard. Knowing when to let go is as important as knowing when to go for things. Not every attempt is gonna be a finish.

More advanced options would include:
- Spin and angle to another move (usually armbar or omoplata). Risky as that may be what they want.
- Roll or twist to mounted triangle. Various methods, none particularly easy!

As for armbar: sweep them. More advanced moves include spinning all the way under to face down or juji roll armbar but basically trying to get better at sweeping them from there is the answer.

Hope that makes sense.

Nathan

thanks Levo! appreciate it!
I worked on the shoulder crawling last night and pretty much got the tap with every triangle.

[SwiftMotion]

You should extend your hips when going for a triangle extend up and then break the posture by pulling down when you lock in the triangle.If your extend its a bit more tricky to be stacked as you tend to be pushed backwards.You probably find that your doing a lazy triangle where your just lying flat during the whole process,which is ok if you slap it on and get the angle swiftly its still better to extend i think watch some clips on youtube and you'll see what I mean.

[liamwandi]

thanks Levo! appreciate it!
I worked on the shoulder crawling last night and pretty much got the tap with every triangle.


Bloody hell Levo what a tutorial! well put bro.

Steve, as I'm sure you're aware, The head bone connected to the neck bone, The neck bone connected to the back bone...etc. and when everything is in it's correct place, the tap comes soooo much easier, the mount becomes soo much easier to keep...etc. you get my drift.

The way I saw what you described was a picture where, although you were about to lock in a triangle or armbar, all the other bits (for a lack of another word) were not in their place and your partner's head amongst other things was over your chest or even further, rather than over your bellybutton. Walking your shoulders back re-aligns a large number of these bits and you end up in a picture much closer to a tight, almost effortless submission.

The second point is, if when you are in a position where you'r techniques are getting stuffed, don't necessarily give up on it. Finding alternative routes (the belly-down, sweeping them...etc.) is certainly a good idea, but going to them prematurely may mean that: i, you never develop the initial technique/position to it's full potential and/or ii, you come predictable (i.e. every time you go for an armbar or triangle, they'l stack and already know what you'll do.

Sorry to have babbeled so much on a question that was already answered :)