St's Submission Competition

[oddscwodd]

St’s Submission Competition (No Gi)

The competition will be held on Sunday the 14th of March at the St Andrews University sports Centre, St Andrews, Fife.

This competition is directed at the Club level grappler /MMA fighter who wants to come along and have a go at a Submission wrestling competition.

The entry fee is low at ten pounds. This will get you a roll in your weight class and an option to enter the open weight category.

alongside the competiton we (hopefully) will have an open mat area where members of different clubs can roll and swap ideas.

The doors will open at eleven and the competition will end when it does.

Weight classes will be 60-70kg
71-80kg
81-90kg
90kg+

The format is a step away from the more formal grappling rules due to the fun nature of the competition.

Bouts will be six minutes with no point system just a submission gets the win. After six minutes with no winner the referee will decide on a winner.

The winner of the weight class will get a quarter of the total entry money for weight class.

The winner of open gets a quarter of all entry fees.

Numbers are looking good already so if you want to enter or have any questions or ideas about the competition please get in contact. Either through private message or email me at pdahughes@o2email.co.uk

This competition is a fundraiser for various charities and is a non profit event running alongside St Sports Bash on the evening of the 13th March an MMA event .

You’ve trained it. Come and do it.

[TheJuice]

I really think there should be a point system in place as in the event that a match goes the distance(which will happen quite a bit) having a ref decide may create bad feeling and loads of arguments.

At least with a point system theres a clear way to win if the match goes the distance.

Also what rules will be in place? ADCC rules? CBJJ rules ect?

[oddscwodd]

What ever sytem points or no points certain sectors of the community will argue and be affronted. No points is a quicker easier method.

The argument may be why make it quick and easy? Because evryone is volunteering the time to do this. No one is making any money out of it. So it needs to be quick, easilly understandable and fun.

A points system also may also create arguments and an ill will and can create more as people think points have been missed.

Referees decision can not be argued with as in entering the competition you have agreed to abide by his decision. If an individual is not willing to accept their decision then they do not compete.

[Keerin]

I think because its just supposed to be some fun rather than a serious competition, no scoring system might be a good thing - it makes people focus on trying new things rather than staying in a certain position just to score points.

[TheJuice]

A points system also may also create arguments and an ill will and can create more as people think points have been missed.

A no points system will create FAR more problems than a point system would. With points you have a clear cut system that next to no one can argue with.

A no point system, how will the ref judge it, who has positional dominance? Who had more sub attempts? Who was more aggressive, Who was more effective? As anyone can see, all subjective to view those decisions.

Then theres the other things to factor in, will a judge be biased to a certain player or team therefore leading decisions?

You STILL havn't mentioned what the rules are!

[oddscwodd]

Sub rules

The competition is no gi.

No wrestling boots or footwear can be worn apart from ankle supports.

The competition is tournament style with only the winner progressing to the next round.

Rounds will be 6 minutes with referees decision if one competitor has not won outright.

1) Legal Techniques:
* Any kind of choke (except for using the hand to close the wind pipe).
* No use of T-Shirt/ rash guard and no holding the shorts allowed
* Any armbar, shoulder lock, or wrist lock


2) Illegal Techniques :
* "Full Nelson" and "Crucifix"
* No striking of any kind
* No eye gouging or fish hooking
* No grabbing the ears
* No hair pulling
* No finger or toe holds
* No thumbing
* No scratching and pinching
* No kicking
* No biting
* No touching groin area
* No hands, knees or elbows on face
* No slippery substances allowed on body or clothing
* No hellhooks
* No slams
How you can win
The winner will be decided according to:-
* If one competitor gives up or submits by tapping the leg, arm or verbally
* If Referee feels one competitor is unable to defend himself or feels his life is in danger, the Referee will declare the winner
* If a fighter breaks the rules twice he will be disqualified by the Referee

Winning by
* Submission
* Referee Decision



These are the rules tha we are thinking of implamenting. this is a bastardisation of the ADCC rules. Some of the competitions in America run them.

[oddscwodd]

Points system is now being considered by commitee. Any input is valued.

[brick]

Are heel hooks allowed? Because peoples knees exploding isn't much fun.

[funkdizzle]

it says "No hellhooks" under the Illegal techniques. I don't see anywhere though if all other leg locks are allowed?

[Allan Shrek]

What about spine locks?

Can I go Twsiter crazy at it?

[brick]

Just to be clear, the list was edited and no heelhooks added since I made that comment right? or am i losing it completely?

[meat]

Just to be clear, the list was edited and no heelhooks added since I made that comment right? or am i losing it completely?

No your right, initial list had no mention of heelhooks being illegal.

I'd imagine twisters are illegal as the rule barring them is normally the same one that prohibits crucifix's and similar moves.

[oddscwodd]

Hi everyone. Having real difficulties with setting this show up as some governing bodies are being really ratty. At the moment it looks like independant events have no footing.

[meat]

Hi everyone. Having real difficulties with setting this show up as some governing bodies are being really ratty. At the moment it looks like independant events have no footing.

Could you give a bit more information as to what you mean there (pm if you dont want to post it here), in nearly 5 years running no-gi and gi events I've never had any outside agency cause problems with them

[scotsmmafan]

hope this goes through cos ive been dyin to get involved in mma/jits at a (very) beginner level for ages.

the ideas for this day sound spot on for wot im looking for

[oddscwodd]

Right back on course now. After lots of politicing, if thats a word. Twisters and spine cranks maybe should be included in the illegal moves section. Is it just my age but back in the nineties was the twister called the Mongolian back crank. Maybe its just in my head.

Still need names.

[TheJuice]

Right back on course now. After lots of politicing, if thats a word. Twisters and spine cranks maybe should be included in the illegal moves section. Is it just my age but back in the nineties was the twister called the Mongolian back crank. Maybe its just in my head.

Still need names.

In wrestling it was known as the guillotine.

[sanchez]

In wrestling it was known as the guillotine.

Wrestling or Roid Wrestling WWE stylee?? Can never tell with you! :D :D