Some people have no morals where moneys concerned!

[rjd]

How easy they sell out there beliefs...

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1450/11435192871838804185562.jpg

This guy does not look under 16 hummmmm

[r-v]

Could be a very manly 14 year old. It is starting to pop up alot in the states to bridge the gap from white to blue but wots the point.

To keep people motivated enough to pay their monthly fee.

[Rob T]

...but wots the point.

So that the people who train properly can spot the pussies ;)

[SDR]

Could be a joke maybe?

[Rob T]

Could be a joke maybe?

Is no joke my fren;

http://www.efnsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=4364.0

http://www.efnsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=7915.0

http://www.efnsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=4387.0

[TheFreak]

wonder if he will show up to any comps with that belt

[Rob T]

The question is, what would you rather be; a green belt or a midnight blue belt? lol

[Makaveli]

Speaking of midnight blue I'm surprised no one here has posted the recent video of Royce saying how in the old days instructors wore a dark blue belt and from now on he was going to wear a dark blue belt.

[Allan Shrek]

If I was given a green belt off of Liborio or Saulo I'd be honoured to have been recognised by a legend of the sport.

[Mike Bishop]

This is becoming more and more common unfortunately and there's only one reason it's been introduced.

[Rob T]

This is becoming more and more common unfortunately and there's only one reason it's been introduced.

I assume you mean money but is that the case? If there is no cost involved in being promoted then it's not about money. It may be indirectly by being an attempt to retain more students... but surely all academies want to retain as many students as possible for as long as possible?

I don't think extra belts matter or are necessarily wrong other than they are pandering to people who want promotions for the sake of it. This is the wrong attitude to training and I think indulging people in this way reflects poorly on the art. It could also be the start of a longer decline where we see more belts brought in, promotions for time/money reasons rather than ability and people who train just for promotions rather than to learn BJJ.

Stuff like this would put me off training with Liborio and Saulo, even though they are absolute legends.

[TRIBULUS]

It can be frustrating for new students with the slow progress in attaining new belts in BJJ but for me that's one of the reasons I love it. When the belt comes it feels really special.

We use the stripes system at white belt nowadays to give people an idea of where they're at and keep them motivated and it works really well.

I don't like belts before blue for adults, that blue belt would feel less special using that system.

[Mike Bishop]

I assume you mean money but is that the case? If there is no cost involved in being promoted then it's not about money. It may be indirectly by being an attempt to retain more students... but surely all academies want to retain as many students as possible for as long as possible?

I don't think extra belts matter or are necessarily wrong other than they are pandering to people who want promotions for the sake of it. This is the wrong attitude to training and I think indulging people in this way reflects poorly on the art. It could also be the start of a longer decline where we see more belts brought in, promotions for time/money reasons rather than ability and people who train just for promotions rather than to learn BJJ.

Stuff like this would put me off training with Liborio and Saulo, even though they are absolute legends.

I think it's a creative way to retain those students who start with enthusiasm but then drop off on the journey to blue belt. In some ways I can see that as a good thing but one of the things I love most about BJJ is the grading system. If you're in it for the belts then your motivation is just wrong. I completely agree with you that it's chipping away at the integrity of the art and should be resisted. I'd similarly be put off if this is what Saulo is doing

[Rob T]

If people can't last until blue belt, BJJ is not for them.

[r-v]

If people can't last until blue belt, BJJ is not for them.

100% agree

[steve_langford]

How easy they sell out there beliefs...

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1450/11435192871838804185562.jpg

This guy does not look under 16 hummmmm

seeig as though you were once a hardcore DeLaRiva gym. would you have used this system or refused it??

[trev01]

chen moraes gave me a green belt in 2000 which i wore with pride. he didnt charge me anything for promotion.

admitedly i didnt know any better at the time and when chen left i went back to white and got stripes before my blue.

personally i stick with the stripes system. But at the end of the day its down to the instructor not the student. I dont agree with refusing promotions.

[Luke]

I prefer stripe system.

[J-Sho]

If I was given a green belt off of Liborio or Saulo I'd be honoured to have been recognised by a legend of the sport.

recognised as being too mediocre even for a blue belt? sfuk that.

[J-Sho]

in any case, whoever accused brazilians of having morals where money was concerned :D

[Allan Shrek]

in any case, whoever accused brazilians of having morals where money was concerned :D


Hahahahahahaha quoted for truth

[Rob T]

I prefer stripe system.

Out of interest, what do you think is the difference between stripes and different colour belts?

[rjd]

I find it funny because I brought Guilherme Maia (guy awarding the belt ) to the UK and he was dead set against this sort of thing I pmed the guy on face book who got the bet and he was also charged $40 for the grading on belts and stripes day....... just goes to show how people change..

[liamwandi]

green belt. Ah...that's so sweet!

Not today Timmy! You don't get a blue belt just yet. But how about this nice green one hey? There you go. Now go play.

[steve_langford]

no one really knows why they are getting stripes these days!! time served? skill? amount of money pumped into the club? who knows!!











................not that im saying certain BJJ clubs are money orientated in any way what so ever!! , would never ever say that!!

[warrenb]

Money spoils.

[JonathanFrakes]

Belt and merit both end with T.

[boxingbrit]

in any case, whoever accused brazilians of having morals where money was concerned :D

lol, funny shit


:D

[TheFreak]

If people can't last until blue belt, BJJ is not for them.

i was just about to say this

[TRIBULUS]

Out of interest, what do you think is the difference between stripes and different colour belts?

stripes are part of the commonly accepted system of belts but green belts for adults aren't.

In my kids' karate class there are about 5 belts before yellow and the whole grading system is geared towards making money. At the end of the day if people are doing this for a living and face a choice of more money and compromising their beliefs or taking the moral high ground and staying skint most would compromise their beliefs for more money.

[FAIXA RUA]

My frens

I say this befor
professor who give green belt is cock
student who ware green belt is faggot

[Allan Shrek]

Or a child.

[TRIBULUS]

The funny thing is that if it is a child then that green belt means a lot, like a baby purple.

[Malcontent]

It's shit like this that almost makes me think about turning away from the gi and just doing no gi.

I realise that the gi is an integral part of bjj and the belt/grading system in martial arts has been around for hundreds of years, but there seems to be something very pure about no gi.

The proving ground is on the mat, end of! Belts are immaterial. It cannot be corrupted as it's simply about how good you are in competitions. (Or at least it was until they started bring this coloured sash bollocks into it).

[faithsdaddy]

Malcontent- Where I train (Carlson's London), there's no politics about belts. We just train. I do the same stuff as the higher or lower belts and so do they. I would say 99% of what you hear about politics would be from other teams or this forum. Also, Eddie Bravo has coloured shirts, instead of belts, so there's no getting away from it. It's your own 'Hotel California' :)

I had the Morales belt colour crap too. He gave me one for being a ref at a tournament. Felt completely worthless. I only felt that blue would be worth anything and anything else before was just to earn extra money.

I know a professional martial artist has to earn money, but there are better ways. I want my BJJ to feel 'real', not feel that I'm a cog in some money making machine.

FWIW, I think there would be a place for an extra belt, to differentiate between low and higher blues. I hold my own with other new blues, but get seriously caned by those who've had it a couple of years.

[Rob T]

On that last point, that happens at all belts. I have smashed purples, I have been smashed by purples. You're right about politics though; there are none in GB Swansea or Cardiff and I've never come across any at Braulio's or from any of his other clubs.

[Malcontent]

Malcontent- Where I train (Carlson's London), there's no politics about belts. We just train. I do the same stuff as the higher or lower belts and so do they. I would say 99% of what you hear about politics would be from other teams or this forum. Also, Eddie Bravo has coloured shirts, instead of belts, so there's no getting away from it. It's your own 'Hotel California' :)

I had the Morales belt colour crap too. He gave me one for being a ref at a tournament. Felt completely worthless. I only felt that blue would be worth anything and anything else before was just to earn extra money.

I know a professional martial artist has to earn money, but there are better ways. I want my BJJ to feel 'real', not feel that I'm a cog in some money making machine.

FWIW, I think there would be a place for an extra belt, to differentiate between low and higher blues. I hold my own with other new blues, but get seriously caned by those who've had it a couple of years.

HAHAHAHA, small world!!! I train at Carlsons too mate and I know that what you say is true. You'll only get a belt out of Simon, Dickie and Wilson for what you can do on the mat, not for what you put in their bank accounts. Of that I am absolutely certain.

Unfortunately I have trained at other places (pre Carlsons) where I got the distinct impression that progress could be purchased without all the hard work.

The fact that such attitudes and academies exist at all is what leaves me feeling a little disillusioned.

[Rob T]

Yeah, but people have nogi grades too and Ari Bolden went straight to purple under Eddie Bravo. 10th Planet affiliation fees are about $2k a year I think. Don't judge the majority by the actions of a few.

[Malcontent]

Yeah, but people have nogi grades too and Ari Bolden went straight to purple under Eddie Bravo. 10th Planet affiliation fees are about $2k a year I think. Don't judge the majority by the actions of a few.

Yes, very true.

It may not be a popular opinion, but I actually feel a real hatred for no gi gradings. I can't quite verbalise why it is or if it's even rational, but it's there nonetheless. It burns.

[rjd]

heres how it should be ( and was in the UK )

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/766/64961022378136832174658.jpg

Kids getting kids belts

[trev01]

It's shit like this that almost makes me think about turning away from the gi and just doing no gi.

I realise that the gi is an integral part of bjj and the belt/grading system in martial arts has been around for hundreds of years, but there seems to be something very pure about no gi.

The proving ground is on the mat, end of! Belts are immaterial. It cannot be corrupted as it's simply about how good you are in competitions. (Or at least it was until they started bring this coloured sash bollocks into it).

im not sure why a bb giving someone a green belt would turn you away from the gi, and the nogi comp scene is riddled with sandbaggers due to the lack of definition between ability / experience levels!

[facetofootstyle]

just on a side note about kids belt, what happens if a kids belted a green belt then turns 16 or whatever do they wear that green belt or is it converted or do they get graded?

sorry just curious

back on topic, i like the system as it is. gives a belt real value if u have to work long and hard to achieve it.

[Sir Tapsalot]

just on a side note about kids belt, what happens if a kids belted a green belt then turns 16 or whatever do they wear that green belt or is it converted or do they get graded?


Depending on the student, they'll either be graded to blue belt, or if they're exceptionally good, will receive their purple. But most of the time they'll go to blue.

James

[dave coles]

just on a side note about kids belt, what happens if a kids belted a green belt then turns 16 or whatever do they wear that green belt or is it converted or do they get graded?


At my club they go to White, they may be given a stripe/s, but it is a big step moving into the 16-18 year old division, and an even bigger one stepping into the adult categories.

[Sir Tapsalot]

Good points from Dave there.

James

[SwiftMotion]

stripes are part of the commonly accepted system of belts but green belts for adults aren't.

In my kids' karate class there are about 5 belts before yellow and the whole grading system is geared towards making money. At the end of the day if people are doing this for a living and face a choice of more money and compromising their beliefs or taking the moral high ground and staying skint most would compromise their beliefs for more money.

That was truth.

[SwiftMotion]

One thing about the belt system I find in my dojo is that the belts are handed out for your 'on the mat' and competition performance.But also the for how long you have been there/attendance as well as technical ability and skill which doesnt always translate to being a tough jujitsuka.This I agree with because not everybody is an athlete or a born fighter,strong man etc.

[faithsdaddy]

I've always been led to believe that you get the belt once you can 'hang' with others at that belt level. If you can't match them, then you don't get the belt. Seems fair to me.

For the same reason, I don't like the handicap system in golf. If someone else is 10 strokes a round better that me, then they should just win every time.

[Rob T]

Pretty much yeah. If you have a certain belt you would be expected to at least be able to make a fight of it with most guys the same size and age range.