Downsizing

[sjharvey]

I would like to know if there is a way to shrink your legs while still maintaining and improving strength on the squat and deadlift? I don't even know if it is possible but I am serious.

[simonmobiledisco]

you can have smaller legs and be stronger, but doing both at the same time would most likely be impossible or unlikely unless you are really weak already

[sjharvey]

you can have smaller legs and be stronger, but doing both at the same time would most likely be impossible or unlikely unless you are really weak already

Nah I'm not really weak, especially in my legs. Maybe more sprint based hiit might do it? 3-5 times a week? Need ideas. Legs are too big.

[simonmobiledisco]

this is a bit of a womans own question, you can't choose where to lose weight from.

are you skinny or chubby (not a fatty, but you know not ripped)?

you can't choose where fat comes off, so i wouldn't go to urban outfitters for those skinny jeans just yet

[sjharvey]

this is a bit of a womans own question, you can't choose where to lose weight from.

are you skinny or chubby (not a fatty, but you know not ripped)?

you can't choose where fat comes off, so i wouldn't go to urban outfitters for those skinny jeans just yet

I'm 17 stone. I should also mention that 8 years ago I was 12 and a half stone and still needed 36 inch jeans, because my legs have always been quite big. The only reason I want them smaller is because it's affecting my cardio cause of too much lactic acid, sprints are fine it's trying to jog that's a pain. Legs start to feel REALLY heavy.When I take up thai boxing I'm afraid it may slow my kicks down.

[simonmobiledisco]

i have big thighs too and wide hips, you just have to deal with the hand you are delt.

Being a big lad your legs get a fair work out on offense. i have bad knees so i don't run much and i'd advise the same with you, unless your body can take it.

the best solution is lose weight. even if you found some advanced way of make just your legs shrinking i bet you would lose more leg size overall with a solid consistent weight loss plan

[sjharvey]

i have big thighs too and wide hips, you just have to deal with the hand you are delt.

Being a big lad your legs get a fair work out on offense. i have bad knees so i don't run much and i'd advise the same with you, unless your body can take it.

the best solution is lose weight. even if you found some advanced way of make just your legs shrinking i bet you would lose more leg size overall with a solid consistent weight loss plan

Actually I have prety good knees. I can do box jumps and hill sprints on pavement and I've never had any knee trouble.

[simonmobiledisco]

either way, dodge pies, for smaller thighs

[sjharvey]

either way, dodge pies, for smaller thighs

Don't eat pies. Chicken, fish, eggs, porrige, brown rice, wholewheat pasta, veg and milk.

[simonmobiledisco]

go on a diet you fat fuck, i don't care what you eat, just eat less lose weight, smaller legs,

[sjharvey]

go on a diet you fat fuck, i don't care what you eat, just eat less lose weight, smaller legs,

Fat fuck? Fuck you. Most people think I weigh 15 stone not 17 so kiss my fucking arse bitch. I'd kick your arse motherfucker. Boo hoo hoo you have knee problems, well I don't so maybe YOU should lose some weight you fat bitch. What gives you the right to be such a CUNT when I was asking for some genuine advice. I'm light on my feet, and reasonably strong and quick, I would fucking OWN you BITCH!!!

[simonmobiledisco]

of course you would, you and your thunder thighs would waddle over to me like an aggressive penguin and sit you chubby cheeks all over and suffocate me.

Lol at most people think you weigh 15 stone. I'm sorry, your mum, doesn't count as a pair of scales. And just because she tells you, that you are her special little soldier, doesn't make you qualified to fight in Afghanistan.

Anyway cheer up sunshine, i thought fat people are supposed to be jolly.

Anyway, back to the advice, go on a diet and you legs will shrink, you have very little control on the proportionality. Also it a bit of weight lose might make you more friendly and less insecure.

[sjharvey]

of course you would, you and your thunder thighs would waddle over to me like an aggressive penguin and sit you chubby cheeks all over and suffocate me.

Lol at most people think you weigh 15 stone. I'm sorry, your mum, doesn't count as a pair of scales. And just because she tells you, that you are her special little soldier, doesn't make you qualified to fight in Afghanistan.

Anyway cheer up sunshine, i thought fat people are supposed to be jolly.

Anyway, back to the advice, go on a diet and you legs will shrink, you have very little control on the proportionality. Also it a bit of weight lose might make you more friendly and less insecure.

You're an idiot. I never said I was fat. Do you know what muscle is little boy? My combined squat and deadlift is 320kg, so I'm pretty confident I could drop you on your head and split your head open spilling your tiny little brains.

IDIOT!

[simonmobiledisco]

lol, you are starting to make me laugh. if we are throwing e-stats I can squat and deadlift a combined 300kg and that was at 77KG (if we allow for a strapped deadlift)

if you can only lift 7% more than me and you weight nearly 50% more. thats not something i would boast about. Particulary if thats all muscle.

Even you were to come an attack me and smash me like you say, you must take great pride in beating down on some so much smaller. I'm not sure if this is pie or roid rage. Either way take a chill pill, or a diet pill. whatever works for you.

You complete plank. If you read, i gave you your advice you needed, but you kept babling on. I've still given you your advice. Please say thank you and I forgive your internet rage in the assumption that some stole your last doughnut.

Please re-read the previous post, exclude tongue in cheek humour (which you have taken very seriously) and you have your answer.

No need to reply. I know your sorry

[Rob T]

People have a go at me... THIS is pointless arguing. All I do is question people.

lol at the cyberwarrior.

[sjharvey]

lol, you are starting to make me laugh. if we are throwing e-stats I can squat and deadlift a combined 300kg and that was at 77KG (if we allow for a strapped deadlift)

if you can only lift 7% more than me and you weight nearly 50% more. thats not something i would boast about. Particulary if thats all muscle.

Even you were to come an attack me and smash me like you say, you must take great pride in beating down on some so much smaller. I'm not sure if this is pie or roid rage. Either way take a chill pill, or a diet pill. whatever works for you.

You complete plank. If you read, i gave you your advice you needed, but you kept babling on. I've still given you your advice. Please say thank you and I forgive your internet rage in the assumption that some stole your last doughnut.

Please re-read the previous post, exclude tongue in cheek humour (which you have taken very seriously) and you have your answer.

No need to reply. I know your sorry

I've never used steroids in my life. I don't use any supplements, And I'm tall and long limbed which makes it harder. And I eat less then 3000 kcals a day, naturally big. And you're still a dickhead.

[sjharvey]

People have a go at me... THIS is pointless arguing. All I do is question people.

lol at the cyberwarrior.

I hate to say it but I agree.

[simonmobiledisco]

Rob, man, i've answered the question. i gave him his answers and he wants and he shows no gratitude and persists with anti-logic excuses and aggression, i'm just having a little banter as well as giving him the advice he needs. Which I have done several times already.

Harvey dear, i'm pretty sure the cyber warrior phrase applies equally to you in this instance. You are the one throwing the e-violence about.

Lets kiss and make up and move on, put it in the past and i'll go back to giving you the advice you need. Again. Grab a pen

Ok for the last time.

You need to lose weight to get smaller thighs. It's hard to dicate growth. getting bigger, even harder getting smaller. You can't localise things that instrinsically linked to the overall system. You pretty much have to deal with what you have got genetically.

Food, suppliments, training, drugs, what you do I don't care, i've checked the forum, all the answers on here, what you do is your decision, it doesn't matter. you need to aim to lose mass.

I'm done on this

[Rob T]

Yeah, I defo wasn't talking about you dude!

[simonmobiledisco]

Thank god, I knew i was being a little rude, I was having a stressful week, but i though i was being constructive with it. And he deserved it.

Hopefully he will still see the god advice. Money is on he will ignore it though.

[sjharvey]

Thank god, I knew i was being a little rude, I was having a stressful week, but i though i was being constructive with it. And he deserved it.

Hopefully he will still see the god advice. Money is on he will ignore it though.

Yeah I will lose a little weight , but through intensive cardio. Tried dieting a couple of weeks ago. Can't make strength gains on a diet. Fuck dieting, energy goes out the window for example, I cut carbs out of my dinner for six months and no weight loss. Their back in now cause I'm training harder and they help me recover faster without any weight gain.

On the subject of my numbers not being that ahead of yours, the squat is essentially a body weight exercise so I have to lift my weight first then the weight on the bar. Sprints and running will probably shrink my legs a little because they will be used so much.

I was drinking a lot when I wrote that threatening message but then again you were acting like a prick. You want to call it even so we can both stop bitching like a couple of school kids?

Oh and rob t, I don't really like arguing online, I'd take being an MMA warrior over an internet warrior thank you.

P.s. It was a reasonable question, I've read how over training can shrink muscle so no I did not deserve it for enquiring about a problem.

[simonmobiledisco]

please discredit my advice, i re-read your last post and it seems you have all the answers already.

Can someone link the facepalm thread, i need both my hands now to double hand face palm

[sjharvey]

please discredit my advice, i re-read your last post and it seems you have all the answers already.

Can someone link the facepalm thread, i need both my hands now to double hand face palm

There's nothing wrong with asking other peoples opinions, except people like you. Arrogance is not a virtue.

If you can't communicate without being condescension and with such arrogance then you may as well not reply.

I really hope this isn't your attitude in the real world for your sake.

[simonmobiledisco]

you don't listen, i've given up trying to help you. You are delusional.

You post so much nonsense and drivel it's epic. Not just on this thread, people give you advice and you discount it with your 'logic'

You are an MMA warrior without training MMA.
You want to lose size without dieting.
You want to Gain strength whilst losing size
Must believe Sprinters have small legs
Needing clarification that smoking affects cardio.
Also you are so lazy, dense to be incapable of googling any of the above to realise how stupid and unachievable those goals are.

Judging by the posts i see from you, you are an angry fat man, who has severe body weight issues (probably from watching greased up WWF wresslers all day), the kind of guy that is lonely because of this and stays in drinking and threatening people on the internet, because he can almost deadlift his (excessive) bodyweight. You also don't like the Stones. That is your worst sin of all.

OK vent over some advice for you

You are an MMA warrior without training MMA.you know what to do here
You want to lose size without dieting. in body transformation diet is 70% of the results, cardio alone won't suffice, in the smiler v rob t thread, someone posted a link to a website containing lots scientific studies, there are plenty of studies supporting this
You want to Gain strength whilst losing sizevery unlikely
Must believe Sprinters have small legsresearch: olympic strinters since 1922
Needing clarification that smoking affects cardio.you have your answer on this
Also you are so lazy, dense to be incapable of googling any of the above to realise how stupid and unachievable those goals are. www.google.com

i know you won't say thank you, but i know you mean it. So you're welcome

[sjharvey]

you don't listen, i've given up trying to help you. You are delusional.

You post so much nonsense and drivel it's epic. Not just on this thread, people give you advice and you discount it with your 'logic'

You are an MMA warrior without training MMA.
You want to lose size without dieting.
You want to Gain strength whilst losing size
Must believe Sprinters have small legs
Needing clarification that smoking affects cardio.
Also you are so lazy, dense to be incapable of googling any of the above to realise how stupid and unachievable those goals are.

Judging by the posts i see from you, you are an angry fat man, who has severe body weight issues (probably from watching greased up WWF wresslers all day), the kind of guy that is lonely because of this and stays in drinking and threatening people on the internet, because he can almost deadlift his (excessive) bodyweight. You also don't like the Stones. That is your worst sin of all.

OK vent over some advice for you

You are an MMA warrior without training MMA.you know what to do here
You want to lose size without dieting. in body transformation diet is 70% of the results, cardio alone won't suffice, in the smiler v rob t thread, someone posted a link to a website containing lots scientific studies, there are plenty of studies supporting this
You want to Gain strength whilst losing sizevery unlikely
Must believe Sprinters have small legsresearch: olympic strinters since 1922
Needing clarification that smoking affects cardio.you have your answer on this
Also you are so lazy, dense to be incapable of googling any of the above to realise how stupid and unachievable those goals are. www.google.com

i know you won't say thank you, but i know you mean it. So you're welcome

I'm not lazy or lonely.

I already know about smoking, DUH. That's why the thread was called very stupid question

I have made some valid points about the gap between the lightest and heaviest heavyweight and there are many others who feel the same way on the subject.

I start training MMA in May but that does not mean I am inexperienced in martial arts or fighting.

I'm not really that fat as most people really do underestimate my weight.

I made some good points about anyone competing and taxes.

Are you stalking me?

The rest is debatable.

There is so much contradicting information on the internet that sometimes just looking for information is like a minefield.

I just happened to be drinking that night. So what? I already explained myself on that one.

I'm not angry, I think you got it twisted.

[simonmobiledisco]

I'm not lazy or lonely.

I already know about smoking, DUH. That's why the thread was called very stupid question

I have made some valid points about the gap between the lightest and heaviest heavyweight and there are many others who feel the same way on the subject.

I start training MMA in May but that does not mean I am inexperienced in martial arts or fighting.

I'm not really that fat as most people really do underestimate my weight.

I made some good points about anyone competing and taxes.

Are you stalking me?

The rest is debatable.

There is so much contradicting information on the internet that sometimes just looking for information is like a minefield.

I just happened to be drinking that night. So what? I already explained myself on that one.

I'm not angry, I think you got it twisted.

Lol, at least you admit you are stupid.

Anyway, people are trying to nice, friends lie, scales don't and if you were 15 stone of muscle you'd be stronger than than that

Apologies, if i missed you good posts, i honest have only seen some pretty poor ones and normally seen various people not seem all that impressed with your attitude of opinions.

I'm not stalking, i read the general forum, and i have the IQ to remember someones name and whether that wrote something silly. Likewise if you are a bright man you can see that i normally off leaned contructive advice particulary on training and the occassion bit of banter when people let their guards down and are an easy target, but are an overall plesant chap.

So there you go, i have been trying to help you every step of the way, but no offense, you are an easy target for banter. And cagewarriors is a place, for information, fight talk, posting funny videos and taking the piss out of people. You just have been catching the last bit a little hard from me. Welcome to the internet.

i promise not to lay into you anymore if you stop giving the ammo, if i do, it's in internet jest, threating people is a little ghey, try giving some good banter back.

All the best, but some advice. There are two types of internet researchers for training.

1) the type who look for things to support their own ideas
2) the type that looks impartially for the truth.

you are certainly in the 1) category, which flared my annoyance. I recommend you get into the 2) category. It's for your benefit. This is not a dig i used to be the same.

I will promise to try and be nicer to you, just drop the ego, if you look i alway do give contructive advice, if sometimes delivered patronising ;) have a good day

[sjharvey]

Lol, at least you admit you are stupid.

Anyway, people are trying to nice, friends lie, scales don't and if you were 15 stone of muscle you'd be stronger than than that

Apologies, if i missed you good posts, i honest have only seen some pretty poor ones and normally seen various people not seem all that impressed with your attitude of opinions.

I'm not stalking, i read the general forum, and i have the IQ to remember someones name and whether that wrote something silly. Likewise if you are a bright man you can see that i normally off leaned contructive advice particulary on training and the occassion bit of banter when people let their guards down and are an easy target, but are an overall plesant chap.

So there you go, i have been trying to help you every step of the way, but no offense, you are an easy target for banter. And cagewarriors is a place, for information, fight talk, posting funny videos and taking the piss out of people. You just have been catching the last bit a little hard from me. Welcome to the internet.

i promise not to lay into you anymore if you stop giving the ammo, if i do, it's in internet jest, threating people is a little ghey, try giving some good banter back.

All the best, but some advice. There are two types of internet researchers for training.

1) the type who look for things to support their own ideas
2) the type that looks impartially for the truth.

you are certainly in the 1) category, which flared my annoyance. I recommend you get into the 2) category. It's for your benefit. This is not a dig i used to be the same.

I will promise to try and be nicer to you, just drop the ego, if you look i alway do give contructive advice, if sometimes delivered patronising ;) have a good day

You're wrong but hey, who cares.

[sjharvey]

Lol, at least you admit you are stupid.

Anyway, people are trying to nice, friends lie, scales don't and if you were 15 stone of muscle you'd be stronger than than that

Apologies, if i missed you good posts, i honest have only seen some pretty poor ones and normally seen various people not seem all that impressed with your attitude of opinions.

I'm not stalking, i read the general forum, and i have the IQ to remember someones name and whether that wrote something silly. Likewise if you are a bright man you can see that i normally off leaned contructive advice particulary on training and the occassion bit of banter when people let their guards down and are an easy target, but are an overall plesant chap.

So there you go, i have been trying to help you every step of the way, but no offense, you are an easy target for banter. And cagewarriors is a place, for information, fight talk, posting funny videos and taking the piss out of people. You just have been catching the last bit a little hard from me. Welcome to the internet.

i promise not to lay into you anymore if you stop giving the ammo, if i do, it's in internet jest, threating people is a little ghey, try giving some good banter back.

All the best, but some advice. There are two types of internet researchers for training.

1) the type who look for things to support their own ideas
2) the type that looks impartially for the truth.

you are certainly in the 1) category, which flared my annoyance. I recommend you get into the 2) category. It's for your benefit. This is not a dig i used to be the same.

I will promise to try and be nicer to you, just drop the ego, if you look i alway do give contructive advice, if sometimes delivered patronising ;) have a good day

And you are especially wrongs about those.

I'm always evaluating my diet and how I train. Same goes for exercise technique.

The reason I ask peoples opinions is BECAUSE I have an open mind, not because the lack of it. You have me AND my intelligence pegged wrong and I don't really feel like wasting my time trying to justify myself to someone who doesn't know me.

The last thing I am looking for on here is validation.

I think you are the one with the big ego, I don't think enough of myself to have a big ego but you're always right I take it. I don't think I am always right, I don't have that kind of arrogance, and any opinions I have are based on my own personal experience.

Peace out.