Nogi Welsh Open 2010

[Rob T]

DATE: 31st October 2010

LOCATION: Western Leisure Centre, Caerau Lane, Caerau, Ely, Cardiff, CF5 5HJ

IBJJF rules


Registration is now open: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/857824777

[bloshengland]

its got wed 20th oct at 1pm ???

[Rob T]

Good spot, dunno how that's happened cos it was defo 31st when I put it up!! Will change it asap.

[Rob T]

All changed, cheers for bringing that up mate!!!

[bloshengland]

no prob i was thinking shit i can not get the day off lol

[Hands Of Stone]

Rob, we might be chucking some guys in for this and regardless of time training etc many, if not most, have no tournament experience.
Word Chris up for me and see if myself and perhaps two others can pop up to your place and you can talk as through basic rules/scoring/tactics etc so we've got something to work with/on.

The Hands

[Rob T]

No problem mate, I'll ask him to give you a call.

[Hands Of Stone]

Ask him to say, ' Gay chatline, how can we help you....' so I know it's him.
You know how many BJJ charlatans there are out there. I have to be sure...

The Hands

[Rob T]

lol... that's his normal opening line! ;)

[shakus maximus]

gutted i cant do this

[Stu barrs]

I'll prob be up for this one, hey Paul how's it going you still fighting mate not seen ya for a while, see ya at the British Shake

[Hands Of Stone]

Mr Barrs !
They've outlawed the 'third hook' in No-Gi tournys, so new game-plan for you, lol.
All good here and quite looking forward to my first ever naked wrestling comp.
See you at the scales, :D

The Hands

[Stu barrs]

Lol, be good to see ya again mate, I'll see if I'm brave enuf to leave my third hook back in blighty, saying that I'd feel pretty naked then too 

[Rob T]

The event will be sponsored by GnP Clothing - http://gnpclothing.com/

Mats will be provided by Gmatt following feedback from last year :)

[bomberh]

I 'll see if I can drum up some interest too.

[EDIT: No I won't, as it clashes with a Judo tournament I'm taking my students to. Doh]

[Rob T]

Entry closes 27th Oct.

Register here: http://www.eventbrite.com/event/857824777

2 juveniles already signed up... I know younger kids are always looking for people to fill a division. Probably at least 2 more I know will be entering.

[Rob T]

Entry closes this week, sign up now :)

[BeastWong]

Entry closes this week, sign up now :)

Is that Commonwealth Kate Rennie that's just entered?!

[Hands Of Stone]

Yeah, the dirty slaaaag ! :D

The Hands

[Rob T]

ENTRANTS LIST


JUVENILE these will be split into weights and possibly an open weight as well
Connor Elias - Chris Rees Academy
Ben Miles - Chris Rees Academy
Wade Taylor - Next Gen - Liverpool
Kyan Morgan - Chris Rees Academy
Mark Taylor - Next Gen - Liverpool
Dominic Taborda - Chris Rees Academy



WOMEN - open belt/weight
Vanessa English - Gracie Barra Derby
Kate Rennie - Dogs Of War
Melissa Churchill Wong - Italo Ferreira BJJ/Sheffield Martial Arts



BEGINNERS (white belt)

Feather (-67.5kg)/super feather (-61.5kg) combined
marc thomas - Newport MMA
Paul Rogers - Chris Rees Academy
Lewis Reynolds - Chris Rees Academy
Alex Jones - Chris Rees Academy
brett johns - Chris Rees Academy
chris kenward - Chris Rees Academy
owain gulliford - Dogs Of War
Sean McDonagh - Gracie Barra Derby
james saunders - Newport MMA
greg morgan - Tillery Combat MMA
Sean Browne - Chris Rees Academy

Light (-73.5kg)
Sean Yuen - Chris Rees Academy
james jabarian - Chris Rees Academy
chris barry - Chris Rees Academy
neil gould - Chris Rees Academy
Kai Maybury - Chris Rees Academy
grant worthing - Newport MMA
rikki ortuna - Newport MMA
Ryan Williams - Pedro Bessa BJJ
Darran Davies - Tillery Combat MMA
matthew witherstone - Blaenavon MMA

Middle (-79.5kg)
josh reed - Blaenavon MMA
Owain Parry - Blaenavon MMA
Matthew Duggan - Chris Rees Academy
guto crompton - Chris Rees Academy
Liam bennett - Chris Rees Academy
Craig David Mcdowell - Chris Rees Academy
Dan James - Chris Rees Academy
Graham Williams - Chris Rees Academy
Nathan Jones - Dogs Of War
ross perkins - Dogs Of War
ben dowling - Gracie Barra Derby
nicky potts - Newport MMA
gary cawse - SBG Plymouth

Medium heavy (-85.5kg)
bradley dalimore - Blaenavon MMA
Ross Barrington - Chris Rees Academy
dean cutler - Chris Rees Academy
jay horley - Chris Rees Academy
Sean Reid - Chris Rees Academy
Gareth Millar - SBG Southwest
Paul Johnson - SBG Southwest

Heavy (-91.5kg)
Alex Chrysanthou - Chris Rees Academy
gareth jenkins - Chris Rees Academy
Jack Pittard - Dogs Of War
mathew mccarthy - Tillery Combat MMA
Mark Brown - Fightworx Academy
derek burton - Chris Rees Academy


NOVICE (blue belt)

Feather (-67.5kg)
ash williams - Chris Rees Academy
James Normanshaw - Gracie Barra Derby
Matt Barber - Pedro Bessa BJJ
david hyde - The Combat Academy

Light (-73.5kg)
Thomas Docherty - Chris Rees Academy
dino gambatesa - Chris Rees Academy
Alaric Moore - Exeter BJJ
kris barras - Fightworx Academy
David Hulland - Gracie Barra Derby
wayne arandjelovic - Newport MMA

Middle (-79.5kg)
mark taylor - Next Gen - Liverpool
JESUS ARENASPINEDA - Chris Rees Academy
Taylor waters - Chris Rees Academy
Jamie Hughes - Pedro Bessa BJJ
Marc Doyle - SBG Southwest

Medium heavy (-85.5kg)
Andrew Harvey - Chris Rees Academy
Chris Jones - Exeter BJJ
RICHARD WILLIAMS - Pedro Bessa BJJ
alun harvard - Chris Rees Academy
Neil Williams - Pedro Bessa BJJ

Super super heavy (+97.5kg)
Steven Borde - Chris Rees Academy


ADVANCED (purple belt) - Open weight

Andrew Bayton - Pedro Bessa BJJ
Tim Newman - Newport MMA


ELITE (brown belt) weights will be split on the day, plus open weight

Darrell James - Braulio Estima Hereford
Luke Costello - Exeter BJJ
Greg Creel - Pedro Bessa BJJ
Owain Ap Gwyn - Chris Rees Academy
and possibly...
Norby Norbit - Braulio Estima
Paddy Carmody - Braulio Estima

[Brett]

I still don't understand the brackets for these no-gi comps, so if you're a blue belt even if you have been training say 10 years but have done a mix of gi & no gi you could be facing a guy that has just been doing no-gi for 18 months so has no belt but has to go in the blue belt division. It just stands out a bit when someone like Dino is in the blue belt category

[Rob T]

Dino is in the correct category for his experience.

The categories should be pretty easy to understand; if the majority of your training has been in the gi and you are graded in BJJ then you enter that category. If you have trained mostly or all nogi then you enter the appropriate timescale.

[Brett]

Dino is in the correct category for his experience.

Rob I wasn't accusing Dino of sandbagging etc I was just pointing out that the way the brackets in no-gi comps are put together it can result in quite a wide skill gap within the same bracket, saying that though I can't think of a better way to make the brackets so don't know what the solution is or if there is even one needed

I just think the problem is where someone hasn't been graded recently because they've been doing no-gi then enters in a division based on their belt which could in theory not relate to their current skill level, again I'm not saying this applies to Dino but it definitely happened a lot at the British open I.e. David5 who has been training for god knows how many years was in the blue belt bracket competing against some guys who had been just doing no-gi for a couple of years, it's obvious who will win in this scenario

[bean]

Rob I wasn't accusing Dino of sandbagging etc I was just pointing out that the way the brackets in no-gi comps are put together it can result in quite a wide skill gap within the same bracket, saying that though I can't think of a better way to make the brackets so don't know what the solution is or if there is even one needed

I just think the problem is where someone hasn't been graded recently because they've been doing no-gi then enters in a division based on their belt which could in theory not relate to their current skill level, again I'm not saying this applies to Dino but it definitely happened a lot at the British open I.e. David5 who has been training for god knows how many years was in the blue belt bracket competing against some guys who had been just doing no-gi for a couple of years, it's obvious who will win in this scenario

From the horses mouth, Dave has been training 13 months.

http://www.efnsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=10838.msg105922#msg105922

[Stalkachu]

Well, no. He's been training 13 months in a gi.

As I recall, he has something like four years of no-gi before that. But I know plenty of blue belts who have way more training than that as well.

Not talking him down, just clarifying the comment you're quoting!

Later!

Oli

[bean]

Well, no. He's been training 13 months in a gi.

As I recall, he has something like four years of no-gi before that. But I know plenty of blue belts who have way more training than that as well.

Not talking him down, just clarifying the comment you're quoting!

Later!

Oli

Thanks for the clarification Oli

[Brett]

Thanks for the clarification Oli

What Oli is saying clarifies the point i'm trying to make, David has 4+ years of No-Gi + over a year of Gi but is then competing on back of his blue belt in No Gi comps where he will have at least 2 years more experience than the No-Gi only guys. That's not me having a go at Dave as he is playing by the rules and i know from rolling with him he's a very good grappler.

I think in a No-Gi comp the belt should be taken out of the equation and it should be solely based on time spent grappling

[Esputahlo]

What Oli is saying clarifies the point i'm trying to make, David has 4+ years of No-Gi + over a year of Gi but is then competing on back of his blue belt in No Gi comps where he will have at least 2 years more experience than the No-Gi only guys. That's not me having a go at Dave as he is playing by the rules and i know from rolling with him he's a very good grappler.

I think in a No-Gi comp the belt should be taken out of the equation and it should be solely based on time spent grappling

i agree, makes a far more even playing field. and probably better fights and expierence for fighters in the process.

[buddha Boy J]

Full Results ....anyone?

[Esputahlo]

Full Results ....anyone?

http://www.efnsports.com/forum/index.php?topic=10891.msg106355#new

[wagon]

i agree, makes a far more even playing field. and probably better fights and expierence for fighters in the process.

I disagree, it's a BJJ IBJJF rules competition. If in doubt contact the organiser and discuss with them and your instructor.

[coolkate]

Yeah, the dirty slaaaag ! :D

The Hands


Paul, just found this! Not impressed! This why I'm not yet back down the gym this year :mad:

[lewdog29]

Hi,

Sorry to drag up an old thread but was wondering if there were plans to hold the NOGI Welsh Open this year?

Regards,
Guy

[Rob T]

Not this year due to the high number of comps which have been held recently. We didn't want to run it and have low numbers. It'll be back next year, probably at a different time of the year.

[wagon]

Shame, I enjoyed last year and it was a good improvement on previous events.
Will look forward to next year and supporting the event.

[Rob T]

Cheers dude. We will defo run it in 2012 but possibly a different time of year.