Changes under the Tories
just wanted the views of the people on here, obviously Labours arse is going to be nipping a bit with the election in June.....
so what else can we see binned by Cameron?
Im not sure who I am going to vote for at the minute but no doubt we are going to have plenty of local MPs knocking on our doors on the run up when I haven't even seen any of them in my area for the past 4 years.
I would like to see a voucher system for schools(healthcare as well), but it won't happen.
I'd like to see us out of the middle east, but it won't happen.
I'd like to see the tax burden lowered, but with the shitty state Labour has left us in, that won't happen for a while.
I'd like to see the smoking ban gone, drugs legalized and serious reform in the way benefits are handed out, but it won't happen.
As you can tell, I'm not all that hopeful. I'd love a Libertarian party to vote for, but atm we don't have one so we need the most fiscally responsible party to at the very least stop the bleeding. The Tories are the only option out of the major parties at this stage imo.
Labour destroyed our economy in the 70's, they've done it again and it's time people realized that the only way for the masses to prosper is not big gov't, keynesianism and socialism, but small gov't, freer markets and individual freedom.
I agree, but then the tories fucked up the whole of the 80s which you seem to have missed.
Originally Posted by mack3333
I also agree that small parties would be the way forward but you and I both know this just will not happen, so we have to take a realistic look at how to use our vote. I think both labour and tory are terrible, and i was thinking of a "protest" or "vote of support" and going for somebody small, but really this is throwing your vote away when it should be used to keep the worst out, and choose the better of a bad pair, which in my opinion seems to point to a labor vote
the tories imo,i beleive if nothing else they'll stand up for what they beleive and not be bullied by the rest of the world,and as for ruining the 80's,well that debate will run forever but because one person didn't make people happy doesn't mean another can't,!!!
[QUOTE=mzb;494014]I agree, but then the tories fucked up the whole of the 80s which you seem to have missed.
the average working person could buy a house under the tories
could they do it now ?
This country was a shocking place to live under the last torie govt.
The mess we're in at the moment is largely down to a global crash caused by the free market economy championed by the conservatives, home and abroad.
I fully expect the Tories to get in and I'm dreading it.
The Tories made some mistakes in the 80's, but they didn't fuck up the economy and anything bad that happened was a hell of a lot better than what the 70's and Labour brought. Much needed reforms had to be passed and they took the tough medicine in order to get us out of the shit Labour had created and help us grow. Unemployment went down, inflation went down and all levels of income went up.
Originally Posted by mzb
There seems to be a lot of revisionist history about what happened in the 80's, but remember, they were in power for 18 years; if they fucked things up so much, why were they in power so long?
Again, I'm not a massive Tory fan(I'm a Libertarian) but I see them as being the best of a very bad bunch and I just don't see how anyone can vote for Labour after what they've done...again.
Originally Posted by AdamM
Firstly, Labour's tax and spend policies left us in a terrible position going into recession, and made it so we are one of the last out of recession.
Secondly, the problems in the U.S came from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac(gov't entities) and the Federal Reserve, so how you can blame that on free markets is beyond me.
The U.S hasn't been anything close to a free market economy for a long time, and we certainly haven't either; that's the problem. It's massive gov't/central bank intervention and spending that causes the problems. They're the one's that create the bubbles which causes the malinvestment and businesses and consumers end up doing the wrong thing.
They're the one's that give us the ridiculously low interest rates, they're the one's that create massive safety nets that encourage banks to do the wrong thing(hardly a "free" market there), and they're the one's that tax and regulate the economy to death in order that new businesses and industries can't pop up and create a lot of employment
To blame it any current problems on "free markets" is ludicrous.
im a young 'un and only just remember major, what did the tories do soo badly in? like what happened? and if you just say they fucked it up without actually saying what happened then go home.
Don't listen to any of the labour lefties. The conservatives saved this country in the 80's.
Labour fucked up this country with unemployment, the four-day week and we were broke as a country.
It took Margaret Thatcher to save us!!!