Jack McGann at Cage Gladiators last year
Last edited by Bruce; 09-01-2008 at 09:28 PM.
Originally Posted by Bruce
Bruce I am not against the boys fighting at that age, just a bit concerned that it should be done at the same time as adults fighting pro, and in a night club at that. There are some who might use this as amunition to attack MMA. Also fighting in Thailand as a child is something that is accepted in that culture. MMA in the UK is an emerging sport that the general public sadly have a distorted view of. So kids fighting in the cage does not create as much sensation as a kid fighting in Thailand.
Jack McGann warming up with Steve Clarke
What an excellent post, definately no need for a flame suit.
Originally Posted by Epideme
I would like to know how many mma coaches & promoters,that are involved with the promotion and coaching of children have any level of child protection awareness training? Many of the olympic sports now DEMAND that any coach of their sport must at least complete training in relation to child protection or they are not allowed to coach the sport at any level.
On a point to Bruce - have you gained permission to post those pics of the boys from BOTH their parents? I certainly wouldn't wish for my childs pics to be put on the net without my consent
I am one of the coaches, and yes I have permission and yes I am also CRB checked etc etc.
Originally Posted by dirty dick
(there are pics available of Jacks last fight at Cage Gladiators but I dont have permission from his opponents parents so i didnt post them thats why I just posted a pic of Jack warming up instead)
There are a number of points to be raised here :
1. It is not, in any way illegal to take pictures in a public place in the UK, irrespective of what is going on.
2. Children have no more right (or indeed lack of right) to privacy than an adult.
There is a scheme in place to protect children involved in clubs and schools etc., which is operated by the Criminal Records Bureau. This is intended to screen people who come into close contact with children, and will give parents confidence that those people that temporarily care for their children are honest, good people. I have no problem with this (I am CRB checked myself), but it does not make the individual 'special', or give him any rights in law above any other person.
Last edited by Bruce; 09-01-2008 at 11:40 PM.
Thanks for the response, but i'm sure you understand that i challenge for the right reasons. This type of stuff is basic CP yet quite often it doesnt enter the minds of posters with a naieve outlook
response to point 1 - Many venues (in particular sports centres) now rule that use of photography is not permitted unless with accreditation. This then begs the question in relation to a public place. (If people are buying tickets / paying for sessions is this in the eyes of the law a public place? Or does that then make it a private event which the public have access to?) - Yes i realise this is a pedantic tangent but nevertheless a ponderism.
Response to point 2- I feel that children have a right to protection from harm and if that includes their privacy then so be it
With regards to CRB's - it certainly does not make one special, in fact it is just a fishing net with VERY large wholes that on occassion fishes out those that have previous convictions that may reflect potential harm to children in the future. It is more likely that coaches etc will come into the sport to exploit & have contact with children that do not have pre-cons
Last edited by dirty dick; 09-01-2008 at 11:54 PM.
CW Slut Muffin
CRB just means you've not been caught yet
man, when you're the nail, hang in there....until the day you become the hammer
for gods sake the kid just wants to fight he is at an exeptional level for his age (jack mcgann) and he wants to fight fight on the big shows to show off his talent if his parents have not got a problem and his oppents parents have not got a problem then why stick ya nose in, ive been to pro boxing show that had amature kids on as a pre dinner warm up and nobody kicked up this much fuss about them repeatedly punching each other in the head for adults entertainment.
oh and for the record the olympia is not a nightclub its a great venue much like an oprah house with balconys and great vues
My posts Leeroy are not "sticking ma nose in" - i dont particularly care for the individuals, but what i do care about is the well being of the sport as a whole & the protection of children,
Possibly this thread has gone off on a tangent & should really have been as a new thread. However imo MMA is lightyears behind other sports in CP matters(due to its relative infancy) and people feel that quite often kids can just get in the ring and get on with it. When there are absolutely no systems in place to act as a safetynet.
In your expert opinion do you regard MMA as a sport?
What better way of converting ignorant MMA philistines and projecting it as a legitimate sport is there than showcasing the country's best junior talent.
Personally I can not at this moment set up a governing body for MMA in this country, but I can strive to make it accepted by educating ignorant people through the media and running professional top class events.It is not human cockfighting in a cage.
I have already converted purist boxing journalists and it should be accepted that UFC's invasion of the UK has had the most positive impact on the sport over here.
For the sport to grow kids have got to dream of being the next "Bisping", "Rampage" etc- now bear in mind the two juniors who fought on our show were cornered by Mike Bisping and Jason Tan- they were highly skilled young athletes- not two tearaway kids brawling as I have seen in tens of ammateur Boxing shows held at the Olympia.
Dont start talking about why pictures have gone up etc, that is just completely lowering the tone of this "discussion" .
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