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    Krav Maga is self defence for the street not competition
    Whats MMA then? only good for the cage is it? LOLOLOLOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by DetoxGuru.com View Post
    i doubt a krav maga guru would come out on top against a bj black belt!!
    Is that short for Blow Job. I don't know what kind of black belts you have Gavin but they don't sound very savoury!

    As for MMA, some of the grappling techniques are certainly good for controlling people and the years you put into grappling with other people certainly pay off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-TEC View Post
    Whats MMA then? only good for the cage is it? LOLOLOLOL
    Not totally but kinda - you gonna pull guard or single leg someone with a knife? You going to work the guard while 3 of his mates are caving your head in?

    Haven't trained Krav Maga but I've heard good stuff about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogstandard View Post
    Not totally but kinda - you gonna pull guard or single leg someone with a knife? You going to work the guard while 3 of his mates are caving your head in?

    Haven't trained Krav Maga but I've heard good stuff about it.
    I'd Throw something at him then bite his nose off or run away,
    streets, street if you have a good all round base in all the ranges in MMA you shouldent need anything else for street combat ( MMA is not just floor fighting its MMA ) its also not rocket science to spit pull hair use bricks kick in the bollocks etc, its all down to the individual you could have a black belt in escrima but shit yourself if sum one pulled a real knife. JMO
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    Krav Maga looks cool, I'd love to have ago at it if there was any in my area.
    All the animals come out at night - whores, skunk pussies, buggers, queens, fairies, dopers, junkies, sick, venal. Someday a real rain will come and wash all this scum off the streets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-TEC View Post
    I'd Throw something at him then bite his nose off or run away,
    streets, street if you have a good all round base in all the ranges in MMA you shouldent need anything else for street combat ( MMA is not just floor fighting its MMA ) its also not rocket science to spit pull hair use bricks kick in the bollocks etc, its all down to the individual you could have a black belt in escrima but shit yourself if sum one pulled a real knife. JMO
    What would the "something" be? Surely biting his nose involves getting in close enough to get stabbed?

    True its not rocket science to spit, pull hair etc but for the majority of people its not natural (fortunately for the good of society!). Training a self defense art might help them with this and also help them to control the adrenaline dump that comes with conflict.

    Escrima doesn't have black belts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bogstandard View Post
    What would the "something" be? Surely biting his nose involves getting in close enough to get stabbed?

    True its not rocket science to spit, pull hair etc but for the majority of people its not natural (fortunately for the good of society!). Training a self defense art might help them with this and also help them to control the adrenaline dump that comes with conflict.

    Escrima doesn't have black belts.
    Id throw anything loose change my hat car keys mrs anything then id go batman on his ass with keysi kazzzam 8#'!!!!

    Thats what all trad people say lol but what if the guy does not attack in the way they are supposed to it wouldent be fair lol

    I dont care
    if youv left your sticks in the car your fucked anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisExtreme101 View Post
    Kaizer............where abouts in East Anglia are you looking?

    i know of clubs in Colchester and clacton and can give you contacts if that location is any good
    Ideally looking in and around the Norfolk region.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D-TEC View Post
    Id throw anything loose change my hat car keys mrs anything then id go batman on his ass with keysi kazzzam 8#'!!!!
    say someone was trying to rob your car, then you would throw your car keys at them??

    i dont think theyd be expecting it, ill give you that much
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    o.k just to clear a few thing up, firstly for your information Kettlehell, krav maga is not "just" taught to blanket stackers and normal(?) soldiers it is taught to everyone in the I.D.F. If they show a talent for Krav maga their training becomes more specified and the drills are more stress inducing through the use of smoke machines, strobes, pitch black rooms and very loud noise. They are also taught job specific technique, a counter terror specialists training would be different to someone working border control for example. Kapap - krav panim el panim ( hebrew for hand to hand combat) actually pre-dates krav maga but was resurected by Avi nadir upon leaving the I.D.F. He put his own slant on it (as most experienced Krav instructors do) and due to his background in bjj, muay thai and kendo, his slant is very effective, he is also very accomplished at knife fighting so kali also influenced his final product heavily.

    Now as for mma vs Krav maga - not a realistic competition! for starters mma is focused on one against one competitions with set rules, time limits and boundries ( ring or cage) mma training conditions the fighter for this scenario, there are no weapons and tere is a referee to ensure fighter safety. It Is sometimes an advantage to go to ground with your opponent if you are a stronger grappler. In a realistic self defence scenario there could be multiple attackers, it may be in very poor light conditions, they may be armed, there is no time limit and no one to ensure your safety if your attacker gains a supreme advantage over you.

    In the first bbj club I trained at a very experienced purple belt told me I shouldnt waste my time with krav as bjj and muay thai skills were far more effective - I seen him two weeks later with the mother of all black eyes, he had a scrap with a guy in a club, took him down, took his back and sank in a rear naked choke - nice job, while he was doing this two of his enemy's friends proceeded to kick said purple belt unconcious and could have done him more serious damage if not for the club security ariving on the scene.
    Another fine example is a now exiled british mma star who got jumped by multiple attackers outside a london club and was stabbe repeatedly and very lucky to live, I have seen this fighter fight and spar and he is one dangerous f#cker in the cage, but against knife wielding multiple attackers it dont mean shit. A krav maga practitioner may have suffered the same fate in the same situation, but I would put money on they reacting and defending themselves more effectively as thats what they train for.
    Further more I travel to Israel on a regular basis to update my skills as I now make a decent living from instructing and feel I should keep up with techniques and the methodology of the system, over there most guys that are serious about krav see it asa way of life as do I, and most of them cross train in bjj, wrestling, mma and muay thai as do I. I have trained with every one of the instructors that were featured on human weapon and some more and have been on numerous specialist hostile combat courses over there some lasting up to three weeks-full time. i now instruct on close protection courses both here and abroad and have 17 years experience in the security and law enforcement industries so I do know what works.
    My advice to anyone prepared to listen is why not do mma and krav maga/kapap/lotar/systema or something else that may broaden your horizons.
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