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    Quote Originally Posted by basher
    I do think that a serious injury or death in a womans MMA fight would be very adverse to the growth of the sport - more so than a man because 90% of the public don't like the idea of women fighting. It would just add more fire to the arguments of those councils etc who would like to see it banned.
    That's sort of my point though. Worrying about what the public "like the idea of" is pretty futile, because most of them don't "like the idea" of MMA anyhow. It just sends out the message that we're not confident about what we do. If it's not ok for women to do MMA, then that suggests that there's something rather suspect about the sport. On the other hand, having women involved IMO removes some of the "thugish" image and makes it appear more legitimate in the eyes of some of our critics.

    Any serious injury or death would be bad for the sport, i don't think it would make a lot of difference whether it was a man or a woman. It's also pretty unlikely - there are far fewer women's fights than men's, and women are (probably) at rather lower risk of serious injury than the heavier male weight categories.

    Women's boxing has yet to gain mainstream acceptance so it'll be a while before women's MMA reaches that status.
    I'm not sure women's boxing is a good marker for acceptance. Don't forget that a lot of the women and fans coming into MMA are coming from grappling/judo/thai boxing/kickboxing/martial arts backgrounds. All of these have more acceptance of women than boxing does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FightingFan
    Out of interest was this why Rosi vs Dina opened the show in Coventry?
    Given that the card title was 'Night of Champions' I thought the non-title fight would be first.
    The non-title fight was needed between the Featherweight and Lightweight Title fight, as both Danny Batten (FW Champ) and Alexandre Izidro (LW Champ) are from the same team and we wanted Izidro to have time to prepare with his team.

    also as Leigh said the women's fight was first as the title fights were organised by weight class, women's at under 60kg was the lightest of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tez0473
    The thing about the RAF was that men and women were doing exactly the same work and it wasn't gung ho stuff either, it was communications, driving, office work, air traffic control etc. Piloting is brain work not brawn, the objections were purely that men saw the RAF as a male "club" and didn't want women in, MMA clubs and fight nights can appear exactly the same. Women aren't asking to fight the men they are asking for an equal chance. The rings girls thing and I'm sorry but CW is the worst for this add to the male "clubness" of MMA.The CW girls and I have met two of them, are great girls but the way they perform in the cage detracts from the fighters. They would be great putting a show on after the fights, I'm sure the chaps would love it and I doubt the women would object. It's not a criticism of the girls but a criticism of the attitude it encourages. With an attractive ring girl who appreciates it's the fighters night and doesn't play to the camera and women on the fight card perhaps we could start appealing to a wider audience. MMA will never be respectable enough to appeal to mainstream audiences while it is borderline porn.

    Fair point but out of interest what CW show, ring girls and behavior are you refering too? As at Strike Force its toned down compared to what went on in 2003/04

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    I'd hate to go a female MMA night and have to watch overweight, orange geezers walking round in their pants between each round.
    I just spat orange juice all over my computer keyboard when i read that lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosi
    I just spat orange juice all over my computer keyboard when i read that lol
    bwahahahahaha

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    Quote Originally Posted by tez0473
    There was the one I was working at, South Shields and a couple I have seen on dvd sorry I don't remember the number.The girls were coming on, dropping their tops, doing the lesbian oral sex bit etc! I know, guys, I know, it makes me sound very prudish but honest I'm not it's just time and place! They were making out like a porn film instead of a fight night. I remember one fighter actually pushing them away, as he was about to fight and didn't want the distraction. Coming on, not wearing thongs (sorry but they make even small bums look big ) and just going round with the ring number is enough. Pride, I think has it right, pretty girls but not in the way!
    To be fair that was over 2 years ago

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    In theory that's a good point.

    In practise, the kind of women who tend to be attracted to "women's only" classes are not generally those who will go on to fight at a high level. In terms of increasing the standard of competitive women's MMA, it's not just about getting more numbers in.

    At the end of the day, there will always be fewer women interested in combat sports than men. But other combat sports - judo, thai boxing etc - do a bit better than MMA, largely because they've been around longer and women are more aware of them as possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tez0473
    True but if it's off putting enough people won't go back to find out if it's changed, the impression has been made.

    Mafioso made a very good point about attracting women into the sport ( I assume he has no ulterior motive here lol!) Good publicity I think would help,so that women from the TMAs would feel welcome in MMA. The documentary on Rosi I thought was excellent and I really do hold her up to the girls in the club, not just for her fighting abilities but for her academic work too. Girls can get ridiculed and even bullied for being academic at school. The next thing would be that hopefully having got some women through the door they would want to stay!
    Well the main Cagewarriors show has moved on from small sports halls and working man's clubs and is now in the Skydome attracting over 2500 people. I think things have moved on and people are going to our shows.

    Maybe you should come down to strike force rather than basing your opinions on a show that happened 2 years ago. I admit our smaller "Quest" shows may have more risque behavior but not on the level of CW 1-5, and regardless Quest was pretty much a sellout on Sunday as well.

    At CW:SF 4 we had a top class women's bout which some people thought was the fight of the night, in a night that had 9 title bouts.

    You should come and judge our shows as they are now...not as they were

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aaron C
    It is a little ironic. Women fighters are so confident that their skills can be matched to men and they are equals, yet they are still lookinf for acceptance from men that this is the case? Why, surely, if women are so confident in their place in combat sports, the don't need accpetance?
    You baiting aaron? Lol

    At the end of the day, i don't care all that much what people think as long as i get the opportunity to do what i want to do. Unfortunately, the opportunities that are open to women fighters are directly linked to their acceptance within the MMA community.

    In this country, women don't do too badly, and most of the major events are happy to have women's fights on the card.

    It would be nice to have something on the scale of pride or UFC to aspire to, - yes, it's frustrating to watch mediocre fighters (in some instances) on TUF while knowing i'm unlikely to get an opportunity like that however hard i work.

    That's the only reason it affects me.

    Incidentally, CW have come a very long way in the last few years and as far as supporting women in the sport goes, IMO they do a great job.
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    My son won't pay and travel to CW for a different reason, the one he and his friends went to they couldn't see very much because there were cameramen and photographers in the way.
    People moan about this, buts all part of the reality of going to a live show. You have to realise you won't see everything as clearly as on TV regardless of where you're sat.

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