U.M.A. Groundfighting Rules; your input required...

[U.M.A.]

The U.M.A. needs your input and recommendations with regard to the U.M.A.’s Groundfighting Rules, they have been updated to the current Rule Set, they are available from the U.M.A. Website or click the link here: http://www.umauk.co.uk/U.M.A.%20Grou...for%202009.doc

We know there is a split, some like the U.M.A. Groundfighting rules and some don’t, hence why now we need your input as so to get a majority verdict on what everyone feels they prefer and to compete under etc.

We have always used the one knee Groundfighting format, however due to input from the players and teams who have attended the last 3 years to date; we have updated and adapted them to what they are now.

Do the U.M.A. keep the Groundfighting rules as they are now, or do the U.M.A. change them to incorporate and allow stand up throughout, and do away within the No Standing Rule altogether, but still starting from a Kneeling Position and not standing, hence eliminating throws and takedowns.

Current allowances for the U.M.A. Groundfighting Rules:

1. The Knees and Feet are allowed of the ground when taking your Opponents Back, but you are not Allowed to Stand Up with both Feet on the Contest Area except for exceptional or required circumstances that may arise through Combat, this will be judged by the Referee at the time, as and when required within the Contest.

2. When Sprawling you can come off both knees, but only for 3 seconds, which should give you time to start attacking or moving to a better position, Warnings and points away will be given after 3 seconds.

3. When moving from one position to the next, both knees will be allowed off the ground, again for 3 seconds, Warnings and points away will be given after 3 seconds.

4. Arm bar from mount/s: both knees will be allowed off the ground, providing the technique is done fluidly and swiftly, Warnings and points away will be given if the technique is not done fluidly and swiftly.

So tell us, do we keep the current Groundfighting Rules with the limited stand up etc, or allow stand up throughout without limitations in our Groundfighting Rules.?

[Simon Hayes]

I really respect what you are doing and the great competition circuit you are running but i think you would get a lot more entries if your Gi competitions
were under CBJJ rules and your No Gi comps under either FILA or ADCC rules.

These are the rules most of the UK grappling community train for and understand.

Simon

[Harley]

I prefer these rules.

If others want stand up, there are plenty of other comps to enter. I think rules like this also allow for a great entry to competition for beginners.

[U.M.A.]

I really respect what you are doing and the great competition circuit you are running but i think you would get a lot more entries if your Gi competitions
were under CBJJ rules and your No Gi comps under either FILA or ADCC rules.

These are the rules most of the UK grappling community train for and understand.

Simon

The U.M.A. currently feel that the rules are not to dis similair to BJJ and Grappling Rules, but not the same etc, for the exception of our Stand Up Rule we currently have, but please advise as to which part of the rules you feel that you may find complicated, or not the norm so to speak in your experiences etc, the No Stand Up Rule, the Point Scoring Rules, or Submission Technique Rules.

The U.M.A. are familiar with the FILA Rules as the U.M.A. have two U.K. Certified FILA Grapppling Referee's, me being one of them, however, we feel they themselves are quite complexed, and we are still coming to terms with them ourselves, and as for the IBJJ or CBJJ and ADCC rules etc, I am familiar with them, but not experienced in implimenting and using them etc, as yet, but the U.M.A. will be getting to grips with them over time.

For example, Groundfighting Scoring Rules:

4 Points = Front and Rear Mount Control
3 Points = Passing Guard
2 Points = Sweeps and Knee on the Belly


Legal Submission Technique Rules:
Chokes (Except for using the Hand or Shin to close the wind pipe).
Arm and Shoulder Locks.
Straight Leg and Straight Ankle Locks.

Again, all input is welcome and helpful from everyone

[tom blackledge]

I like the rules starting from knees as it allows beginners to enter the tournaments without being intimidated about being slammed.
I think common sense has to be used by the referees though and allow the competitors to do standing guard passes and allow the feet to be anywhere when attempting arm bars etc.
Hope you'll continue to run the standing events as well as the groundfighting ones.

[pauljono1120]

Wow, sounds hard lol.
Would probably be better if you could stand up, then grapple for takedowns, less hassal making sure you dont stand up ect..

Im no expert though, so these rules are probably good

:P

[mcgovern]

rules sound fine, defo encouraging for people who want to grapple and encouraging for novices to compete

[pauljono1120]

What if..... you get put in a gillotine and they dont have u in full guard and u try stand up to pull out?

wud u loose points?

Another thing.

What if your grappling on your knees and get pushed back? and land with ur legs under your back? your easily gonna cause some damage, and be slightly fucked.

Or have i mis-read the rules?

[Xanthic]

Things like actually going for subs and coming off the knees should be taken into consideration as well as stacking and sprawling. My defence when someone has me in a guillotine from guard is to stack into my opponent and come up on the toes.... if I was penalised for defending a sub in a way I knew was effective I wouldnt be pleased (slamming, spiking and generally being a mong obviously shouldnt be allowed).

No choking with the shin??? Gogoplata? Fair enough, low success rate but a sub nevertheless...

IMO there's too many rules when it comes to UMA. I think you should try rolling under these rules yourselves as refs and look at it from a competitors POV.

Best of luck.

[Recreio Fighter]

I feel your rules are confusing..........i wished you follow more regular rules like those of jiu jitsu and ADCC