Anyone else have trouble with moving heavier people in side control?

[Rob T]

Post above is good, I think a lot of people get caught up in doing this;

- defend pass, defend pass, accept they are going to be passed, try to escape.

When they should be doing this;

- defend pass/try to attack, defend pass/try to attack, realise you're going to be passed, immediately start to escape/regain guard.


Same goes for being swept. You should fight against it but as soon as you realise you are definitely getting swept you need to switch your movement to escaping. It's much easier to part escape during the sweep than after they've establish a dominant top position.


So, in a nutshell; start escaping before they secure the position.

[Soldmysoulforabeer]

Well if im doing BJJ i normally go for Spiderguard and love that position but find it abit tedious attempting this with No-Gi. I've started experimenting with Rubberguard in the last week or so as i find it a good position to go for Triangle/Gogo Platu/Arm Bar. When im in side Control i normally tie up there arm between my legs and attempt to go for Kimura or go to Knee-on Belly and then go for the mount then go for the Triangle, My position when im mounting is reasonable (not great but im a white belt lol).

I've watched a couple Videos on Youtube and spotted one which some people on here have pratically referred too trying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqeD0JkExD0 < I will try this technique out on Saturday and see how it works.

Thanks for some of the great advice its appreciated.

[Augustus Gloop]

Well if im doing BJJ i normally go for Spiderguard and love that position but find it abit tedious attempting this with No-Gi. I've started experimenting with Rubberguard in the last week or so as i find it a good position to go for Triangle/Gogo Platu/Arm Bar.

just a pointer but if you have been training for months rather than years I would go back to absolute basics and work standard guard or practise retaining half-guard as you are passed rather than spider or rubber guard. it may help stop you getting passed in the first place.

its not as exciting as the more advanced stuff but it works more consistently unless you are very talented.

then what everyone else said.

[Rob T]

just a pointer but if you have been training for months rather than years I would go back to absolute basics and work standard guard or practise retaining half-guard as you are passed rather than spider or rubber guard. it may help stop you getting passed in the first place.

its not as exciting as the more advanced stuff but it works more consistently unless you are very talented.

then what everyone else said.

Totally agree with this, when I was a white belt all I did was closed guard and half-guard. All my sweeps were from closed guard, whenever I got passed I always looked to recover to closed guard.

I think it's important to get that base before moving on to open guard variations.

[Levo]

I've watched a couple Videos on Youtube and spotted one which some people on here have pratically referred too trying. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqeD0JkExD0 < I will try this technique out on Saturday and see how it works.

No. No, no, no, no, NO!

That is a very good move and by all means try it BUT it is not a fundamental and is not what you need.

Listen to what the last two guys said, they speak the truth.

Nathan

[Soldmysoulforabeer]

No. No, no, no, no, NO!

That is a very good move and by all means try it BUT it is not a fundamental and is not what you need.

Listen to what the last two guys said, they speak the truth.

Nathan

Sorry, I didnt mean the move exactly i meant the movement in which he uses to get out of Side-Control if i get stuck in that position.

I will try your advice on Saturday and cut out all Techniques which my trainer has not shown me and do the fundemental basics (though im bit confussed as my trainer showed me Spiderguard).

[Rob T]

I will try your advice on Saturday and cut out all Techniques which my trainer has not shown me and do the fundemental basics (though im bit confussed as my trainer showed me Spiderguard).

I assume as part of a class?

First lesson I ever did, I learnt the triangle from closed guard. I didn't get to use it for a long, long time though, because all that happened during rolling was I got crushed and tapped. That doesn't mean I didn't learn anything from it.

It's good to learn all sorts of technique because it helps you understand positions, different sorts of control, different grips, how people will attack you etc. That doesn't mean you should concentrate on things like spider guard though.

Imo, at white belt you should be learning closed guard & half guard techniques, escapes from all positions (just concentrate on escaping, not setting up attacks from it), submission defence, posture, opening the guard and some basic passes. You don't need much in the way of open guard or submissions.

I think way too many people want to be able to learn to do what the top guys can right at the start of their training. It's just not going to happen.

On the escape to choke in that video; not very sure about the guy's left arm position, it's just asking for an armbar or kimura imo. You'd have to hit that very slick to not get in trouble with it.

[Soldmysoulforabeer]

Thanks for the advice. I should of worded thing abit more careful than i orignally did as i've noticed that it seems that i constantly go for those positions (Rubber/Spider).

[Soldmysoulforabeer]

Update on my progress after your advice. Gotta say it went much smoother today with people heavier people in side control position. We was doing Ground & Pound with no Submissions and also practicing Side Control and found your advice invaluable. I was squirming constantly and kept on getting out of it more so than previously, I used my hips much more than usual to get abit of distance so i could move arms to push them away.

Thanks people.