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    It amazes me that a martial art that is judged primarily on performance through the grades should change the grading criteria so dramatically once the black belt is reached.

    Under the current IBJJF rules once you have a black belt the grading process is based solely on time. The only stipulation is that the individual pays $400 for a certificate and then maintains a yearly fee to the IBJJF and attends various courses (that he would also pay for).

    Under this system there is no distinction between a guy who gets his black belt and then stops training (but maintains his yearly payments) and an elite level competitor who is winning major tournaments and running a successful academy.

    I believe that we can learn a lot from the Judo system of Dan grades and propose the following.

    1st Dan to 5th Dan should be based on competition results

    100 points needed for promotion

    10 points for win by submission in tournament

    2 points for win on points in tournament

    only 1 promotion per 12 month period allowed

    Such a system would encourage more black belts to compete as well as maintain a grading structure based on performance. There is also the added benefit of encouraging fighters to fight for submission rather than grinding our a points or advantage win.

    Beyond 5th Dan the system could reward contributions to the sport, success in building academies as well as time served, again a far more constructive system than just paying the fees and serving your time.

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    First off, obviously you are in a much better position to comment on this... and it effects you directly whereas I have quite some time to go. That said;

    I think it would be ok to say it's based on competition results OR continued active teaching. Money shouldn't be involved at all.
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    It's a tough one, I definitely see your point regarding paying fees, but I don't necessarily agree that promotions should be based on competition results. BJJ was/is primarily a self defence art (albeit one that is now mostly focussed on sport competition), but aside from that, it does mean that black belts who have no interest in competing (for whatever reasons), but who are still very active in BJJ would be unable to progress any further. There needs to be a better method for checking/ensuring that black belts are still active within the sport. I don't what that method would be, but I think using comp performance shouldn't be the only way to move up through the lower dan grades.

    No money should change hands. If these black belts are contributing to the art, then the governing body should be honouring them as a matter of course, not out of profit.

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    Last edited by Sir Tapsalot; 13-05-2009 at 04:08 PM.

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    Good points, we could add different points to the system that would allow other contributions to be recognized.

    Eg academy wins competition 10 points

    Feel free to suggest other points (not including read a book )

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    Again, I think that we need to look outside of competition to make a judgement. The problem is though that it then becomes a matter of judgement, where at least competition provides something measurable. A school like Rickson's for example doesn't send that many students to competitions, and hasn't had a massive amount of success in that arena (aside from Kron), but black belts from his school such as Dave Kama and Henry Akins have impeccable records as instructors who produce well rounded students. I don't think there's an easy answer to this (though if someone can come up with one then good on them!)

    James
    Last edited by Sir Tapsalot; 13-05-2009 at 04:42 PM.

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    smash faggot in club ,10 point

    My student he smash faggot in club,5 point

    Clock choke no kimono on beach 10 point

    Put to sleep Russian puta who visit academie,10 point

    Take American student stars an stripes bandana an burn in academie,2 point

    slap student who leave for train new place at competition,2 point

    make White belt have cauliflower ear,2 point

    Dojo invade bitch ass club down Rua,10 point

    tape over student tournament footage when borrow camera
    of pass spider gwarde with girl I meet at carnival,2 point

    student win fight in Rio Heroe,10 point

    student who blue belt win advance no gi comp,10 point

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    Quote Originally Posted by creonte View Post
    smash faggot in club ,10 point

    My student he smash faggot in club,5 point

    Clock choke no kimono on beach 10 point

    Put to sleep Russian puta who visit academie,10 point

    Take American student stars an stripes bandana an burn in academie,2 point

    slap student who leave for train new place at competition,2 point

    make White belt have cauliflower ear,2 point

    Dojo invade bitch ass club down Rua,10 point

    tape over student tournament footage when borrow camera
    of pass spider gwarde with girl I meet at carnival,2 point

    student win fight in Rio Heroe,10 point

    student who blue belt win advance no gi comp,10 point
    /end thread.
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    smash faggot in club ,10 point

    My student he smash faggot in club,5 point

    Clock choke no kimono on beach 10 point

    Put to sleep Russian puta who visit academie,10 point

    Take American student stars an stripes bandana an burn in academie,2 point

    slap student who leave for train new place at competition,2 point

    make White belt have cauliflower ear,2 point

    Dojo invade bitch ass club down Rua,10 point

    tape over student tournament footage when borrow camera
    of pass spider gwarde with girl I meet at carnival,2 point

    student win fight in Rio Heroe,10 point

    student who blue belt win advance no gi comp,10 point
    no need for any more suggestions guys as creonte has clock choked the perfect formula

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    excellent, I will email the revised list to the IBJJF in the morning.

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