Nogi and gi belt progression

[dawson]

Would somebody doing nogi 2 times a week and gi once a week progress (beltwise) as quick as a bjj practitioner being strictly gi 3 times a week?

[Rob T]

Totally depends on the people involved but I would say it's more likely the guy doing just gi will get better (at BJJ with the gi) quicker.

[illegalhunter]

Its gonna take a while

[Simon Hayes]

it would depend entirely on the student and how well
he manages to apply his skill in sparring.

In my opinion,if training 3 times per week only,the optimum split
would be 2 gi and 1 no-gi session per week-that's a similar split to how
I trained until Blue Belt and then I added an extra 4th session each week that was judo.

[wagon]

it would depend entirely on the student and how well
he manages to apply his skill in sparring.

In my opinion,if training 3 times per week only,the optimum split
would be 2 gi and 1 no-gi session per week-that's a similar split to how
I trained until Blue Belt and then I added an extra 4th session each week that was judo.

Simon,
So do you still train BJJ 3 times per week and Judo once a week? What is your split or recommended split for Drilling, sparring?

[Simon Hayes]

My training split now is entirely dependent on my teaching responsibilities
at Carlsons.

Inevitably,because of the variety of lessons I teach I get a very varied split,
with judo being the only aspect that suffers as I am not getting to the Budokwai to spar with black belts as much a I'd like instead sparring with the
bjj students at carlsons for judo.

Last night at carlsons for instance we did 3 minute rounds of Judo then no gi wrestling swapping each round for 45 minutes non stop.Taking the gi off every other round is great fun and good for development.

My ideal split for a week would be
3x gi sessions
1x no gi
1x judo
2x weights.

[Malcontent]

2x weights.

What does your weight training regime look like?

Are you trying to achieve anything specific from it IE: functional strength, explosiveness, muscle endurance etc?

[Simon Hayes]

Hi Malcontent,

I don't have the time right now to answer your question in detail so instead i will try and cover the basic principles.

It is my aim to become as strong as possible while spending the least amount of time strength training as possible for 2 reasons
1.So i have more time to practise martial arts.
2. So i spend as little energy as possible strength training with the most gains
so i have more energy for martial arts.

With this in mind i do two completely different types of strength training.

1. One type of workout is an all over body 'High Intensity' 'super slow' regime as popularised by Arthur Jones and Mike Mentzer.It involves using Arthur Jones' 'Med-ex' machines.I do 2 excercises per body part,1 set only per excersice,using a 'slow' cadensce of around 4 seconds on the positive part of the movement then 4 seconds on the negative part of the movement with a second between positive and negative,meaning each rep is around 10 seconds long.I train to complete muscular failure on each set.
Each set lasts approximately 1.5 minutes and i do 8 sets so i am out of the gym completely fatigued within 15 minutes.

2.My other type of workout is a heavy,pyramid lifting system on free weights comprising only compound movements-
Bench Press,Wide Grip Chin Ups,Shoulder Press,Leg press.3 sets per excersice,differing rep ranges month to month.This workout is finished in 25 minutes.

One thing that is constant in all workouts is striving to lift heavier weights
each session.


So that is approximately 40 minutes per week spent doing strength training.


I cannot dead lift or squat due to an old herniation of L4/L5 discs so i do extremely heavy leg press on the med-ex equipment.

My muscle endurance is trained while rolling BJJ in a 'sport specific' manner
as is my core strength.

All i want from resistance training is to be as strong as possible to protect me from injury in BJJ.


Hope this helps in some way.

Simon


P.S. We do a 'Strength Training for BJJ/MMA at Carlsons on a Sunday morning at 11am using our weights there.

[wagon]

Thats really interesting Simon. It would be brilliant to see how the different black belts split their training.

[Malcontent]

Cheers Simon

I'm trying to fit weight training in but I suffer with doms quite bad.

If I squat properly I can pretty much rule out any other form of intense training for around two days. I just won't be able to get the most from any BJJ/MMA training as my legs will be aching.

Perhaps in time my recovery will improve, but at the moment it's a pain in the arse.