Spirit mediums.

[Smurfette5ft]

my own answer to ocuanas post would depend very much on the answers to my own questions when faced with this power. (bright light and voice)

1) why, if the bible is the infalible word of god, does it not produce a miraclous conversion upon all who read it?

2) if God is real why does his religion have no more significant conversion rate than the other clearly false religions

3) why six days? if gods power is without measure, why not start everything at once.

4) if god can create all with a word, why use a flood to start over, could god not simply speak all those unworthy out of exisitance?

5) what is the purpose of worship?

6) if prayer really does heal the sick and sometimes cure cancer, why has it never given an amputee back a missing limb?

those would do for starters, but i would also have to have some serious discussion about morality, original sin, hell and a few other things.

You sound a bit familiar………
If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.
If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine
If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence
Hey...... wait a minute!

[Nimmy]

this forum cracks me up, when in doubt start on religion.

i wish people would understand religion is a personal thing for each person, what floats your boat floats your boat.

dont put it down just go with it

[Daddy D]

The wife and the mother often go to readings and stuff. Personnaly I think its crap but it gives me a chance to play the Xbox. They had 1 bloke once who drew peoples dead relatives, apparantly he drew my Grandad, although it just looked like a nice old man to me. Another woman (Tarot cards)told my wife that she was in a really bad relationship when the wife disagreed the witch woman did a complete U turn and said I was great and she shouldnt let me get away. A bunch of frauds who leach off the vulnerable, in my humble opinion.

[Smurfette5ft]

With the TV broadcasting we get in America from the UK, it portrays most British as spiritual or at the least very open minded skeptics. There are many good questions here, though. The one about healings are difficult. Especially for a person who has sick loved one. If one could answer all those, it wouldn’t be for free. He would become the wealthiest televangelist. I wish there was a psychic around to answer them.

[Rob T]

I have a question for you Rob: If you awoke in the middle of the night and saw a real bright light. then heard a fully audible voice talking to you with which you could question and converse - Would you then believe in a spirit or such like beyone the measurement of flesh and physics? My question is a bit of a cliched spirit question but I am interested. I ask because I am sure that some people are waiting for something to be proven but there are others who wouldnt believe no matter what first hand encounters they experienced. If Gabriel shook you in the street and shouted "repent" would you, or would you take anti psychotics? The question is open to atheists, not agnostics btw.

That's way too hypothetical a question, but you are basically saying "If there was evidence of something, would you believe in it?".

If I could rule out all other possibilities, the answer is obvious; "Yes, I would believe or consider it possible to an extent dependant on the strength of the evidence".

It's like saying "If you saw a real unicorn (or Unicron, that would be cooler), would you believe in them?". If I could be certain it was real, yeah, otherwise I'd be mental.

[ocuana]

The reason I posted that way too hypothetical question is to establish if the debate is winnable. That is to say; will both arguments be listened to? If not; then it no longer stays a debate, but rather, some dictatorship of what is true and what is not. I've argued about several points where the other person won't accept my argument because they had already made up their mind (in that case it was about Muay Thai and Kung Fu ). If somebody can be convinced by first hand account of something then great, but if you had replied "No - I'd simply be mad and seek treatment and never believe it" then this particular thread would be pointless for debating against you because having a first hand encounter of something is about as true as it gets... unless you are mad and need treatment of course.

[Rob T]

This seems highly relevant... http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...tical-thinking

[Josh Palmer]

I can't see how people really believe this rubbish. Perhaps it shouldn't be illegal to con stupid people.

[iiReP Wv4]

my girlfriends mum's friend did me a reading and said there was a little boy there that she thought my mum could of lost ( miscarried ) or through death, when i question'd my mum she said it's true she lost a baby and she didnt evan tell my dad! Freaky shit.