Ok, without sounding picky.
Originally Posted by IFS.NI
Shouldn't the governing body release the results of that event and send them to the relevant database sites? Like proper Governing Body's do in the USA?
As far as I am aware this is all getting sorted mate although the ISKA MMA was mainly in the USA until now so I guess it will take a bit of time to get everything totally ironed out for the UK and Ireland. What they have done so far in my opinion has been positive for the future development and progression of the sport.
Last edited by IFS.NI; 12-10-2009 at 09:51 PM.
I hope so, and i am all for regulation and i even had a Matchmakers license in the State of Florida last year and have worked on events which have been under the watchful eye of the Florida Boxing Commission (CW USA) and the International Mix Fight Association (M-1) in the past.
But right now i would have a hard time recognising what is essentially a kickboxing promotion/organisation as a legitimate and independent UK MMA Governing Body. Especially when people within that organisation have links to existing promotions and/or actively manage fighters.
Originally Posted by kainer2
Thats cool Ian everyone has their own thoughts and views on things, its good to see issues can be discussed openly on this board without any flaming and in a civalised manor.
How I look at it is, the ISKA already sanction big MMA shows in the USA such as Strikeforce which is an excellent show, coupled with the experience gained in their K1,Muay Thai shows etc over the past decades they have a very good understanding on how things should work from a professional and quality point of view. As far as I am aware the ISKA also represent a contact point and referral point for the UFC regarding fighters for the UK shows which in my opinion again shows the high quality support and guidance the ISKA operate at wether its kickboxing, Muay Thai or MMA.
I also personally feel they have addressed the bridging gap between kick boxing and MMA by getting experienced MMA veterans such as Lee Hasdell to work on promoting the sport. They have taken a step that many did not want to take and are trying to make it work for the progression of the sport. MMA is still in its infancy so I guess it needs to start somewhere and with the past experience of the ISKA and the path they have taken to represent MMA i feel is a step in the right direction and has so far worked very well.
I can not speak for other promotions in England but every club in Ireland i have tried to contact regarding the events to keep them fair and make sure everyone has the chance to be put forward for fight cards - the fighters and clubs who come foward are put in a pool and then matched as fairly as we can for the events, the ones who do not thats cool also - we respect everyone has different views on things and continue to support the other local shows.
As a club and promotion we like to avoid MMA politics - we just want to promote the sport in a professional manor the best we can keeping it open for everyone if they want to fight under the sanctioning and hopefully help catch up with the rest of the world regarding full progression of the sport.
Here in Ireland there is an abundance of talent and with the ISKA i hope it will help open doors and show case their talents in the UK, EUROPE and further!
Just my 2 cents worth mate
It's always nice to engage in constructive and intelligent debate about MMA, without people threatening to shoot each other, "end" each other or start talking about putting people in car boots.
However i have a few points
The ISKA technically do not fully sanction Strikeforce events. As any events in the State of California will be overseen and sanctioned by the California State Athletic Commission. But i beileve Sf events use ISKA MMA rules.
But a promoter can apply for special dispensation to use certain rule changes as long as they do not clash with the rules of the State Athletic Commission. i.e. A good example of this was Pride doing USA shows with no elbows. But could not use soccer kicks as they were banned by the CSAC.
When M-1 Global went to Kansas; it was the Kansas Boxing Commission who sanctioned the event. However the show was run under the rules of the IMA (who are the body that normally oversees M-1 Global events.) i.e. that showed used the weights and regulations of IMA, but only because they got special dispensation to do that and that they did not clash with the KBC rules.
Last edited by iandean; 12-10-2009 at 11:14 PM.
Also i found this interesting
This again questions their neutrality
As far as I am aware the ISKA also represent a contact point and referral point for the UFC regarding fighters for the UK shows which in my opinion again shows the high quality support and guidance the ISKA operate at wether its kickboxing, Muay Thai or MMA.
As a legitimate, independent Governing Body should not do that.
It shouldn't recommend fighters to events like the UFC (and then of course no doubt manage/represent those fighters. Which i beileve Paul Hennessey of the ISKA currently does.
And of course the ISKA is not the only group that can get people in the UFC, and of course it would be unfair to say that high quality support cannot be achieved elsewhere, with a professional and competent Management team.
Last edited by iandean; 13-10-2009 at 02:00 AM.
Don't get me wrong, i am 100% committed to an independent and legitimacy governing body for UK MMA. I just feel that the ISKA is not the way forward, as it also effectively a promoter of events and it would be no different than myself setting up my own governing body to oversee my events.
Of course i'm don't actually promote any events as i'm not gangster enough to promote a UK MMA event
ISKA MMA did an absolutely cracking job on Fight ikon last night for me. Lee, Mark and all the other ISKA officials were absolutely fantastic and totally professional. I decided to use ISKA after having experienced their professionalism in the past for Kickboxing and Muay Thai shows we have faught on and my partner Darren Morris has used them for shows he has worked on too.
I wanted to bring in an impartial body to give our show a reputation of fairness as well as a proper set of rules and standards. ISKA MMA are also one of the few bodies that stipulate blood testing for Hep B&C & HIV in pro bouts with elbows which is now standard in parts of Europe so we were proud to introdue this, at least a step towards looking after the health and safety of fighters.
Thanks for the comments Paul, it was an absolute pleasure having such pleasant, courteous and skilled guys over as yourselves. Looking forwards to your next ISKA event in Belfast February and have been chatting with my lads tonight about it.
I'm still buzzin from my 1st show!!!
Last edited by Sherlock; 13-10-2009 at 01:40 AM.
We have had a few ISKA events in Bristol, Weston and one in cheltenham. All events were mainly kick boxing with 3 pro mma fights. The shows were all really well run and everyone really enjoyed them selves and i was happy to be involved.
But and its a big but, none of the mma fights have been databased. FFS get this sorted out, ive been in touch with the promoter on about 5 occassions. One time Kainer was very kind in making sure they went on and i know he has ti hassle a lot of smaller shows to do this. . It shouldn't be down to anyone but the promoter to make sure reulsts are recorded.
I think the shows so far have been really good but i would hesitate to put a fighter on if they wouldnt get the reward of a win on their record.
fighter 1 v fighter 2 = result,time,method.
Originally Posted by kainer2
Heres the report with introduction of Lee as the ISKA MMA Director - It also has a bit on the association to Strikeforce.
I still firmly believe the ISKA are doing their best and succeeding in bring quality and and professional standards to MMA in the UK & Ireland. The point about the UFC was to mention that their standards and professionalism has not gone un noticed by the major MMA events. I have spoke many times to Paul Hennessy and he has always been extremely helpful and has a genuine interest in promoting the sport of MMA in a positive light.
No one is forcing fighters to take part in the ISKA shows but its good to know they are there and trying to progress the sport.
There may be other smaller issues that need to be ironed out but for me as a promoter what they are doing is ensuring a better standard for the fighters with regualtions such as doctors and HIV test for example - anything that is going to help the figthers regarding standards and safety is paramount in my book for the growth of the sport and of course the fighters wellfare. It just happens to be that the ISKA took the step to bring this about and give this a go to bring in a standard and so far have been doing a great job at the events,so in my opinion fair play to them!!