Inspired by some recent bickerings between Relson, Renzo and now Rener (and by association Ralek and Rorion) and some other threads discussing BJJ as self defence I feel there needs to be a discussion about BJJ competition points and their relevance to "a real fight".
I've kept this seperate from the Rener response thread because there are a lot of other dicussions there about online gradings and the like that need the floor.
Alot of people seem to have the view that people who don't go for submissions are not doing BJJ and wouldn't be able to deal with a fight, be it MMA or self defence.
People don't like rolling for points? Why? Points are awarded for improving position and achieveing a position where not only is submission more available but you put yourself in a position where you can strike more effectively and receive less damage in return. Why is this a bad thing?
The reason BJJ is so effective is that it provides a framework for people to understand the need to advance position. A random collection of submissions tried from anywhere is retarded (or catch wrestling )
So the point of the thread, can anyone give me a good reason why points are regarded as this huge evil?