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    Default Danas talks Pacman-Mayweather fight

    http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Whi...yweather-21782

    ***Im not bashing boxing****

    Dana White says it spot on, boxing promoters always take from the sport but never put back in. He claims there is littlle amateur set up now & tha boxing is dead.

    MMA, however, has went from strength to strength at all levels.

    IMO and experience,
    *amateur boxing shows happen very rarely now.
    *theres an MMA show on almost weekly

    *there is little new blood entering boxing
    *MMA probably has the fastest intake/growth (quantity) of participants of ANY contact sport/MA

    *Boxing at Pro level is difficult to follow due to focus only on Main Events
    *MMA orgs the world over promote strong undercards, hype ALL fighters

    *Illegal exclusive contracts & promoter bidding make it difficult for boxing to showcase/promote stables/rosters of fighters
    *MMA enjoying exclusive contracts can promote fighters better & for longer, ie a 3 fight deal

    *boxing seems to have less fighters coming through to pro ranks
    *MMA is taking fighters in from first time Martial Artists, BJJ, wrestling (college), kickboxing/ Mauy Thai & cross over fighters like NFL or entertainment wrestling

    *Prize Fighter had promise, but the fighters appear from obscurity & dissapear after!
    *The Contender was much the same. think a couple of guys fought on TV/good cards but again, there wasnt much PR for them afterwards
    *TUF, as boring as TUF10 was, introduces the fighters over several weeks, hosts a show with the majority on it & continues to promote them on Main Cards afterwards (or drops them if they dont deliver)

    *There are too many Boxing orgs, that have too many weight classes (so too many champions)
    *While there are, & have been, numerous MMA orgs, the front runners are UFC, DREAM, Strikeforce. Id go as far a to say the UFC is the bench mark for World Championship standard. If you hit the top at the weight there, you are the best in that class.

    *Boxing, while accepted by the majority in terms of mainstream & reported on by all major media is not the household name it used to be. Haye taking the HW crown recently was prob the biggest title exchange in a number of years. Joe Bloggs couldnt tell you the top champs anymore
    *MMA is becoming more mainstreat & while your mom couldnt tell you who BJ Penn is & would prob look at you funny if you say anything about a rear naked at the dinner table, the surge in popularity & media coverage is helping the sport gain acceptance and overshadowing the days of "human cock fighting" or no holds barred.

    Boxing is a great sport & has produced some of the worlds greatest athletes & most amazing stories to come from sport to the silver screen. MMA has big boots to fill to poduce what boxing has over the years.
    Last edited by scotsmmafan; 01-01-2010 at 12:48 PM.

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    basically hardly any of that is true in this country if you actually have an interest in boxing, i think you've copy and pasted that from a yank

    also, contender asia had john wayne parr and yodsaenklai in it for fucks sake, its like the thai equivalent of randy couture and machida on the ultimate fighter

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    IMO and experience, He obviously dont have much experience in boxing

    *amateur boxing shows happen very rarely now.
    *theres an MMA show on almost weekly
    Can't say much about the US. But here in the UK there is atleast 10 or more Amature boxing shows a week going on up an down the country. Not to mention the amount of pro shows, which i'd say theres atleast 2.

    *there is little new blood entering boxing
    *MMA probably has the fastest intake/growth (quantity) of participants of ANY contact sport/MA
    Since Audley Harrison, and even more so after Amir Khan, the intake of new boxers into gyms has increased drastically over the yrs not decreased. Womans boxing has taken off. There is on average 30-40 amature boxing clubs in each divison of the country. There is 13 divisions. The amount of kids that partcipate and compete in boxing massively outweighs mma. Kids can start competeing at the age of 10

    *Boxing at Pro level is difficult to follow due to focus only on Main Events
    *MMA orgs the world over promote strong undercards, hype ALL fighters
    Because there is that many boxing events going on that the focus is only on the main ones, surley thats a good thing.

    *Illegal exclusive contracts & promoter bidding make it difficult for boxing to showcase/promote stables/rosters of fighters
    *MMA enjoying exclusive contracts can promote fighters better & for longer, ie a 3 fight deal
    Each individuals contract is totally diffrent, you cant compare this. And 'exclusive' contracts, ha ha, Danas bully boy tactics you mean

    *boxing seems to have less fighters coming through to pro ranks
    *MMA is taking fighters in from first time Martial Artists, BJJ, wrestling (college), kickboxing/ Mauy Thai & cross over fighters like NFL or entertainment wrestling
    Less fighters coming trough due to funding and the incentives to stay amature. Amature mma isnt the same as pro-mma, so if you want to be a mma fighter, you have to be pro. An amature boxer is a boxer none the less.

    *Prize Fighter had promise, but the fighters appear from obscurity & dissapear after!
    *The Contender was much the same. think a couple of guys fought on TV/good cards but again, there wasnt much PR for them afterwards
    *TUF, as boring as TUF10 was, introduces the fighters over several weeks, hosts a show with the majority on it & continues to promote them on Main Cards afterwards (or drops them if they dont deliver)

    *There are too many Boxing orgs, that have too many weight classes (so too many champions)
    *While there are, & have been, numerous MMA orgs, the front runners are UFC, DREAM, Strikeforce. Id go as far a to say the UFC is the bench mark for World Championship standard. If you hit the top at the weight there, you are the best in that class.
    Agreed, this is the problem with boxing, too many organisations. MMA should learn from this, but with that many people in the world with $$$ mma could secume to the same fate, I hope not.

    *Boxing, while accepted by the majority in terms of mainstream & reported on by all major media is not the household name it used to be. Haye taking the HW crown recently was prob the biggest title exchange in a number of years. Joe Bloggs couldnt tell you the top champs anymore
    *MMA is becoming more mainstreat & while your mom couldnt tell you who BJ Penn is & would prob look at you funny if you say anything about a rear naked at the dinner table, the surge in popularity & media coverage is helping the sport gain acceptance and overshadowing the days of "human cock fighting" or no holds barred.
    I agree mma is gaining popularity but its a far far cry away to being accepted a household name

    Boxing is a great sport & has produced some of the worlds greatest athletes & most amazing stories to come from sport to the silver screen. MMA has big boots to fill to poduce what boxing has over the years. An thats some big big big boots, years? over a century ya mean.


    The mma vs boxing argument is pointless. Am not interested in what Dana has to say about Boxing and am not interested in what Mayweather or Bob Arum or anyother boxer person says abount mma. The general public aint bothered about whats growing faster, dying, not dying, whoose assed. Just show me the fucking fights not the statistics
    Last edited by LouieJ; 01-01-2010 at 01:42 PM.

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    Just to add to this. MMA is still a long way from being mainstream. Joe Bloggs in the street usually knows next to nothing about it. I've had people say to me "I thought that was illegal", that kind of thing.

    That said when you meet someone that is into MMA you usually know that your going to get right on with them because you both have this little secret that no one else around you knows about ;-)

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    Id like to see boxing orgs, ie WBA, WBO, IBO, etc all start to host monthly shows, just like UFC, DREAM, Strikeforce etc.

    Having a roster of fighters, a web site similar to a UFCish set up, countdown shows, All Access shows etc to promote the fighters.

    British boxng was hugely exciting during the Scott Harrison/Alex Arthur times & recent domestic bouts were exciting too.

    But answer me this, Amir Khan is a WORLD CHAMPION, but when discussed in the same sentence as other world champs at/around his weight, he claimed he wasnt ready for them yet. So how can you justify & orespect a world champion that admits to being not ready to face his peers?

    The situation like Pacman-Mayweather wouldnt arrise under UFC et al as they answer specifically to the state athletic commission & cant agree to skip blood testing.

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    Double post.
    Last edited by LouieJ; 02-01-2010 at 12:45 AM.

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    Id like to see boxing orgs, ie WBA, WBO, IBO, etc all start to host monthly shows, just like UFC, DREAM, Strikeforce etc.

    The IBO have shows scheduled on 11th Jan, 27th Feb an 20th March. WBA have 4 shows in Jan an 2 in Feb. WBO have 4 in Jan, 2 in Feb an 2 in March

    Having a roster of fighters, a web site similar to a UFCish set up, countdown shows, All Access shows etc to promote the fighters.

    Boxers have too much control over their own careers for this to be possible.

    British boxng was hugely exciting during the Scott Harrison/Alex Arthur times & recent domestic bouts were exciting too.

    But answer me this, Amir Khan is a WORLD CHAMPION, but when discussed in the same sentence as other world champs at/around his weight, he claimed he wasnt ready for them yet. So how can you justify & orespect a world champion that admits to being not ready to face his peers?

    I agree, too many shit titles out there. But titles, irrespective of which ones bring in . Amir Khan is a shit World Champion, but name me an mma fighter that has more money than him?

    The situation like Pacman-Mayweather wouldnt arrise under UFC et al as they answer specifically to the state athletic commission & cant agree to skip blood testing.

    Not sure what you mean here. Both boxers will have to be tested, before and after the fight. They have no choice in this. The situation surrounding the fight at the moment is because Mayweather (like hes in charge???) wants the tests doing now?,

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    the thing is, you can watch friday fight nights on sky every single week, its pretty good, you always get the same guys on there just like the ufc, you can see career paths being created for certain guys, you can see what level some fighters will come unstuck at, i dont think theres much cause for complain for boxing fans in this country. boxing on an international level isnt what it was in the past, but to me that just means theres a greater opportunity for a superstar to rise from our ranks

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