Do you have to be STRONG to be TIGHT?

[Predator]

I would refer to that as training, since the exact position will always vary. In the same way, I may be trying to nail the same sweep from half-guard for a whole session, but I will never use EXACTLY the same entry, because everyone defends differently. We're training generally, I'm choosing to work on that sweep and trying to get to it as often as possible, whilst the other guy is just trying to beat me up.

Otherwise, you might as well call rolling drilling, since you're drilling a lot of different things at once, in a mish-mash of things you're working on, no?

This is just a terminology argument, really. ^_-

Take care,

Stalks

Urrmmm yes and no.

I see where your coming from but i dont completly agree. But i agree there are several types of rolling which based on what i said could be classed as drilling.

Flow Rolling
Rolling where i try work of my back.
Rolling where i try get on top
Wrestle roll
Play roll
Domination rolling (Awaiting porn jokes lol)

few others, So i see what your trying to say its just when im rolling my aim is tap my opponent but when im drilling my aim is to do whatever im working on. Might be a sub/pass or whatever.

Hope i made sense

[widge milward]

i think Oli's rolling (looking for a certain technique) is a form of drilling.

IMO there are different types of drilling:

drilling with an guy offering no resistance
drilling with an guy offering part resistance
drilling with an guy offering full resistance

then rolling looking for the one technique or working from one position.

When i roll my main aim is to tap someone, but may also incorporate a "personal goal"

[SDR]

Thanks for all the replies so far. I'm really interested in tightening up my top game at the moment so it's all good useful information. I've been watching alot of Matt Thorntons stuff on the top game and most of it seems to be where to apply pressure, distribute weight and where to block.

Also, who's the tightest person you've rolled with?

Karl Tanswell - When I rolled Karl he was just stupidly tight, gave up no space and I felt like I was rolling with a car crushing machine when he got to side. Very much a crushing tight top game, despite being like 70kg?

Rick Estrada - Rolling with Rick was entirely different pressure, more of a pinching tight pressure rather than a crushing painful pressure

I'm guessing it's no accident both are black belts and both are not the heaviest person I've rolled with...

[Rob T]

Also, who's the tightest person you've rolled with?

Braulio Estima - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZP9ao3itPI

[Stalkachu]

The tightest person I've rolled with is...Roger. (No, really!? ^_-)

But, again, he has a different kind of tightness to that described. Whilst he CAN crush you mercilessly should he want to, his normal positioning is just such that he's applying weight, but he's not driving. He is just rooted to the ground, and there is no space between you and him to start applying pressure. So he's not driving, he's just shutting down your space rather than squeezing. If that makes sense?

As for the rolling/drilling thing...surely then normally when you're rolling, you're always drilling the moves you're best at. Because if there's certain moves you're just not good at and you're not currently specifically 'working on', then isn't that the same by exclusion as inclusion of certain techniques you're good at?

I'm just trying to find the point where you draw a line. Everyone goes into a session with a goal when they're rolling. I'm just wondering how formalised it has to be before it becomes drilling and stops being rolling.

Take care,

Stalks

[TRIBULUS]

One of the 'tightest' people I ever rolled with was 65kg, I definitely think tightness is more a product of weight distribution and technique rather than strength.

[Banana]

Interesting.. I have always found this to be the main differnence between rolling with men and women. I find that women (whether on top or bottom) have a much tighter game than men. There is alot of stuff I can escape from with a man which I can't when rolling with another woman simply because the space isn't there...

[The Natural]

sdr..

matt thornton is who i refer to in my previous post..crazy heavy..

on a side note..

its great to have a thread in which things can be debated and shared. I presonally have learned something from it as well as finding out that steve's mrs is well up for it..

[Truemanc]

I think bjj is a skill and the better you become at the skill of bjj the tighter you will become with less effort.
As has been said..... it all comes down to time and repetition.
As for strength... well it never hurts your game to be stronger.

[Duchman]

Thanks for all the replies so far. I'm really interested in tightening up my top game at the moment so it's all good useful information. I've been watching alot of Matt Thorntons stuff on the top game and most of it seems to be where to apply pressure, distribute weight and where to block.

Also, who's the tightest person you've rolled with?

Karl Tanswell - When I rolled Karl he was just stupidly tight, gave up no space and I felt like I was rolling with a car crushing machine when he got to side. Very much a crushing tight top game, despite being like 70kg?

Rick Estrada - Rolling with Rick was entirely different pressure, more of a pinching tight pressure rather than a crushing painful pressure

I'm guessing it's no accident both are black belts and both are not the heaviest person I've rolled with...

Thanks i guess. Was i not the one to introduce you to pressure?