Takedowns for BJJ

[shaiz]

It is very very rare for me to teach a class that does not include takedowns.

Are these Judo takedowns or specific BJJ ones? I'm right in thinking you're a black belt in both yeah?

[shaiz]

If you trained Judo, would you get any bad habits in BJJ?

I think (again in my limited experience) that would be easy to avoid. Simon or someone that does them at a higher level can probably answer that better but I think training BJJ would be more likely to lead to some bad habbits in Judo rather than the other way around. By that I mean there's probably more that a fight would be stopped for in Judo than BJJ. By the book I'm not actually sure whether you're allowed to close guard in Judo but again Simon may be able to shed some light on that. You certainly couldn't get away with pulling guard from standing.

[Simon Hayes]

My BJJ Teacher Wilson who i have trained with for almost 10 years has a strong wrestling background.My Judo teacher Jim Warren was also a freestyle wrestler so my Judo style has a strong wrestling influence.The takedowns i teach are probably best described as a hybrid of the 2 with an 80% judo and 20% wrestling split.

When you have always trained BJJ and Judo together it is easy to modify the judo you teach to be relevant for BJJ and not try techniques that could get you choked in BJJ.

I haven't ever seen a 'pure' BJJ takedown.All BJJ takedowns come from wrestling or judo.

Nowadays in competition Judo if you close the guard your opponent has about 5 seconds to open it and pass before 'matte' is called.

At Carlson's sometimes we fight from standing and don't allow guard jumping to try and develop our students takedowns.Other times we allow jumping to guard.As well as training takedowns we also practise guard jumping although in my classes not as much.

[david5]

It is very very rare for me to teach a class that does not include takedowns.

same when i teach. my 'warmup' usually includes judo/wrestling drills

[tinerrz]

Thanks for the ipon advice.

I was also told this week that a traditional single leg or double leg is illegal in judo comps now?

Anyway, I'm just guna take what I see as useful from the class and not do the things I believe to be bad habits for self defence such as exposing ur neck and putting ur head ridiculously low.

Simon's right (as usual), if it's taught with MMA or self defence in mind then it's definately useful. If it's taught for competitions then there are definitely some flaws to be exposed in a real fight. Also, it certainly appears that size and strength have a bigger advantage than in BJJ...

[david5]

I was also told this week that a traditional single leg or double leg is illegal in judo comps now?

correct. direct attacks grabbing the legs are illegal. grabbing the leg in defence or in combination attacks are still allowed

[bomberh]

Thanks for the ipon advice.

I was also told this week that a traditional single leg or double leg is illegal in judo comps now?

All leg grabs are legal provided they are counter to an initial attack by your opponent or they are a follow up / combination attack to an initial non leg grab attack. As David 5 states direct leg grab attacks are not allowed in shiai.

Anyway, I'm just guna take what I see as useful from the class and not do the things I believe to be bad habits for self defence such as exposing ur neck and putting ur head ridiculously low.

Actually whilst many people moan about the new rules making judo less realistic for combat, the IJF have banned the bent over low down stance that you are describing. It is now a shido.

[dwarfofdoom]

All leg grabs are legal provided they are counter to an initial attack by your opponent or they are a follow up / combination attack to an initial non leg grab attack. As David 5 states direct leg grab attacks are not allowed in shiai.



Actually whilst many people moan about the new rules making judo less realistic for combat, the IJF have banned the bent over low down stance that you are describing. It is now a shido.

It depends. The BJC have slightly different rules. Morote gari is banned, kata guruma is essentially banned (you now need to keep both feet on the floor at all times during the throw for it to be legal) other than that they have fallen in line with the IJF.

[bomberh]

It depends. The BJC have slightly different rules. Morote gari is banned, kata guruma is essentially banned (you now need to keep both feet on the floor at all times during the throw for it to be legal) other than that they have fallen in line with the IJF.

The IJF have effectively banned kata guruma as the leg grab is banned as a direct attack. However, the BJC decided they would make an exception in respect of Kata Guruma. So you can grab the leg if you perform kata gurama, providing as you correctly state you don't drop to your knees. The referee committee felt that kata guruma was too important a technique to abolish by following the IJF.

BJC have banned Morote Gari. However, there is very little opportunity to use it if any as a combination or counter so I don't think it makes much difference.

[Daihlo]

I'm definately interested in the takedown lesson, when the next BOGOF due?

The lesson is good, some good insight into Braulios approach with the takedowns and also focusing on grip control and posture.

Working with Braulio as well as former World Judo Champion - Neil Adams who also has covered this subject (gripping) in one of his lessons I filmed, it's interesting to see the variations between the two depending on if its Judo or BJJ.

I would say the biggest most obvious thing is the posture and how that allows and restricts certain moves. But at the same time, with these guys at the level they are, the same restrictions that are imposed due to differing posture, also open up new lines of attack that are unique to each style only.

For example, Neil covered a very nice lesson (which was actually no-gi) and taught some takedowns, and takedown reversals that were from a Judo background, but were quite specific to countering wrestlers, or MMA fighters or BJJ. the lines of attack he was utilizing would probably not get taught within BJJ/wrestling/mma due to them having come from a Judo specific rules set.

Therefore, I find that each style not only closes down attacks from the others according to the rules, and emphasis on things like posture etc, but also opens up new lines of attack that are overlooked within each style due to its own restrictions on postures/rules etc....

Not sure thats very clear to read!..?

In other words, its all good!


not sure on the bogof by the way, am working on a few other things such as iphone apps at the moment for Christmas release!

Tim