Lineage

**vileniall** · 03-01-2011, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Jogs D

Like the other posters have said, lineage is about proof your grade is legit. Everyone who has a grade in BJJ should be able to trace their lineage to Mitsuyo Maeda. In most cases the lineage will go to a member of the Gracie Family, but there are exceptions eg. Oswaldo Fadda, who trained directly under Maeda, and who also has his own lineage....

My lineage for example is Me > Ze Marcello > Sergio 'Bolao' Souza/Murilo Bustamante > Carlson Gracie > Carlos Gracie > Mitsuyo Maeda...

If you say you have a belt/grade in BJJ, but cannot declare your lineage, then you are a FAKE.... Check the BJJ Police section on the EFN Forum for examples of people with fake BJJ grades who have been exposed because they cannot declare their lineage.... If you fancy a laugh check the Bridlington Karate thread!

I think you are mistaken here. you have it the wrong way round. unless of course you did give ze marcello a belt?

boxingbrit · 03-01-2011, 07:43 PM

Quick one for the Carlson Gracie London guys. The Ze Marcello guys are Carlson Gracie through Bolao/ Ze Marcello who is Carlson Gracie London through? Just being nosy

**bean** · 03-01-2011, 08:13 PM

Wilson Jr I'd guess?

boxingbrit · 03-01-2011, 08:20 PM

and he is from Carlson Gracie himself?

**J90** · 03-01-2011, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by vileniall

I think you are mistaken here. you have it the wrong way round. unless of course you did give ze marcello a belt?

He obviously got the arrows the wrong way round!

**vileniall** · 03-01-2011, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by J90

He obviously got the arrows the wrong way round!

after careful examination, I have concluded that you are indeed right, the arrows are the wrong way around.

**vileniall** · 03-01-2011, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by boxingbrit

and he is from Carlson Gracie himself?

I think wilson got his from nelson scolari who got his from carlson.

**r-v** · 03-01-2011, 08:37 PM

you know what he means stop upping your post count :P

boxingbrit · 03-01-2011, 08:51 PM

Thanks Vileniall

**Simon Hayes** · 03-01-2011, 10:27 PM

Ian,

Wilson was awarded his 1st Degree by Carlson Junior.

He was awarded his Black Belt by Nelson Solari a few years earlier.

Wilson Junior-Nelson Solari-Ricardo Liborio/Bebeo Duarte-Carlson Gracie-Carlos Gracie-Maeda-Kano

When Nelson was awarded his Black Belt in Carlson Gracie Academy Rio,Carlson was in the USA working on the team and academy there.
Liborio and Bebeo were teaching at Carlson's in Rio and Carlson gave his blessing to them awarding Nelson the Black Belt while he was away.

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