I met a guy on wed night who gained his blue belt in bjj in 03. He has been training along time, off and on. Im sure it would be the best part of ten years and i have seen him in nogi grappling comps over the years cleaning up in his divisions. I 'dont think' that he trains in the gi that often anymore and he seems to compete almost exclusively in nogi comps and mma fights.
In his fights he is totally dependant on his bjj and believes in his skills. He is 3-1 in pro mma.
My point - after training with him i was very surprised..his jiu jitsu was very 'basic' but fundamentally solid ie he did used techniques that where probablly taught to him in the first 6mnths in training to great effect. No fancy moves, all basic well timed and exequted techniques. The guys he rolled with where young, strong and intermediate/ advanced level competitors. I was amazed how simple his take was on guard passing and watched him cut through the guys guards that he was rolling with and sub them with relative ease.
A real eye opener.
Anyone here use the simplest techniques to great effect? Id be very interested to hear.
*waits for comments that Roger Gracie has a simple game*
There's no substitute for the basics.
I despair when I see people trying rubber guard when they don't know the basics. In fact I despair of people trying rubber guard full stop!!
As I've progressed in BJJ I've realised just how much there is to even a simple position and how minute details can make all the difference.
You could develop a very solid BJJ game with just a few techniques practiced to a high level.
Thanks for the reply dickie. Just what i needed to hear.
I now train in the same class as this guy once a week and i have made a concious decision to look at the finer details of the techniques that i use and spar these much more often instead of compiling more techs.
Flexa told me yesterday that Wallid Ismael built his entire game on a handful - like fifteen - unstoppable moves. But he was able to perform them against anyone...
i suppose its the finer deatils that make the moves unstoppable -
Drill, spar, spar some more, compete, re-evaluate
Actually very interesting! Jiu jitsu is definitly the fine details art, but you don't need a lot of crazy and no known movs. Loooks Roger Gracie, he use very basic techniques but with some details who makes them efficient! Roger have a very basic game but very efficient.
If you see Terere game so you have something very dificult but very efficient as well!!!
I think it depends...
I am not much of a BJJ practictioner but I have to say in the short time I have been training i have learnt that good basics can win a fight
I also train thai, as I'm really tall (therefore long reach) I often go a full round of sparring using nothing but teep, jab, cross
I have seen me going full rounds without being hit much (or even at all)
I think that any combat sport requires a high level of basics, with the occasional fancy move thrown in to surprise the opponent is key to winning
Stuart Baxter - Contributing writer - The Fight Lounge
John Kavanagh once said something about Gunnar Nelson's game and joking about how an average blue belt would know more techniques - about it being free of fancy moves and it was just timing, base and posture.
I think that's brilliant.
Throw all the cartwheel guards passes away and just combat base, control the legs, hips, knee through, upper body. I'd much rather be able to do that consistantly than to explode through somebodys guard.
""I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times." - Bruce Lee
Last edited by Xanthic; 14-01-2011 at 02:00 PM.
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Interesting thread and comments. I would love to find a book, or be REALLY taught how to make a basic game from the ground up. In a class, one practices the techniques shown, easy or hard, so not sure how to focus on the basics as such. I tend to put my focus on building up detail on basics and less on complex techniques. For instance, I would only ever bother with 2 or 3 guard passes- probably ever, but certainly until I was spot on at them, or felt my game needed 'more'.