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  1. #121


    ^^what is stated was a direct quote from someone who works in a psychiatric unit..not my opinion. His opinion is that a large majorirty of his patients had cannabis psychosis regardless of what you copy and paste.

    I have nothing is gain or lose by stating such a statement.

    you can quote a secondary source but the fact is in the real world the situation is very much differant.
    Last edited by The Natural; 11-09-2011 at 02:52 AM.

  2. #122


    Quote Originally Posted by daddybaresi View Post
    Ripped from the BBC.....

    "The Advisory Committee on the Misuse of Drugs said there were major difficulties establishing a cause-and-effect relationship between cannabis use and the development of psychotic illnesses, such as schizophrenia.
    It said the majority of young cannabis users did not develop psychotic illness, and those that did were likely to have predisposing factors, which may be genetic.

    It concluded that in the population as a whole, it was most likely that cannabis played only a "modest role" in the development of psychotic conditions."
    Cannabis: Classification and Public Health (The Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs (ACMD) report to the Home Office)

    Note: The ACMD is an independent expert body that advises government on drug-related issues in the UK.

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    Letter from Professor Sir Michael Rawlins FMedSci (Chairman) to the Home Secretary:

    “You will note that, after a most careful scrutiny of the totality of the available evidence, the majority of the Council’s members consider – based on its harmfulness to individuals and society – that cannabis should remain a Class C substance. It is judged that the harmfulness of cannabis more closely equates with other Class C substances than with those currently classified as Class B.

    In providing this advice, however, the Council wishes to emphasise that the use of cannabis is a significant public health issue. Cannabis can unquestionably cause harm to individuals and society. The Council therefore advises that strategies designed to minimise its use and adverse effects must be predominantly public health ones.”

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    13. Conclusions and Recommendations

    13.1 The Council is still very concerned about the widespread use of cannabis among young people. Although the number of users have decreased over the past few years, cannabis still poses a real threat to the health of those who use it.

    13.2 The Council hopes that the government, parliament and the public appreciate that the use of cannabis is, ultimately, a public health problem; and that it requires a public health response if current use and the associated harms are to be substantially reduced. Although the criminal justice and classification systems have a role to play – especially in reducing supply – the major emphasis must be directed at ways that drastically reduce demand (i.e. primary prevention), especially in the young; and to provide help for those who are dependent on cannabis (i.e. secondary prevention).

    Recommendation 1: In the face of the widespread use of cannabis, a concerted public health response is needed to drastically reduce its use.

    Recommendation 2: Special emphasis should be placed on developing effective primary prevention programmes, directed at young people.

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    5. Short-term harms to mental health

    5.1 Cannabis can produce both immediate and longer-term harms to mental health.

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    6. Dependency

    6.2 Dependence on cannabis alone is, unquestionably, a real phenomenon [1, 2]. Studies among cannabis users have revealed that when they stop they experience physical withdrawal as part of a dependence syndrome characterised by decreased appetite, weight loss, lethargy, irritability, mood changes, tremor, muscle pain, sweating and insomnia. There is also a psychological craving for the substance. Reinstating the drug terminates these symptoms. It has also been shown that cannabis dependence is associated with an altered function of cannabinoid receptors; and that withdrawal can be precipitated by a cannabinoid receptor antagonist.

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    7. Effects in individuals with established schizophrenia

    7.1 As discussed in our previous reports [1, 2], there is clear evidence that the use of cannabis may worsen the symptoms of schizophrenia and lead to relapse [19, 20]. The high prevalence of cannabis use, as well as the use of other controlled substances among those with schizophrenia or psychotic disorder [21, 22], is not well understood. Nevertheless, there are clear and obvious harms associated with the use of cannabis by people with psychotic disorders, and recent studies [23, 24] confirm this. The Council’s clinical experts report, anecdotally, that dealing with cannabis use (including dependence) is now a major element in the clinical management of many young men with established psychotic illnesses.

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    8. Long-term psychotic illnesses (including schizophrenia)

    8.10 The Council concluded that the evidence supports a causal association between the use of cannabis, in adolescence, and the later development of schizophrenia; although the evidence for this relationship is clearly more complicated than when it considered this previously.

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    12. Discussion

    Effects in individuals with established schizophrenia

    12.7 As discussed in the Council’s previous reports [1, 2], there is unequivocal evidence that the use of cannabis by people with schizophrenia increases the likelihood of relapse, manifested by a worsening of symptoms and often accompanied by a refusal to continue treatment (Section 7). The Council was concerned by anecdotal reports of the apparent ease with which inpatients in psychiatric hospitals can obtain cannabis from dealers. Efforts to discourage the use of cannabis by those with schizophrenia should be coupled with attempts to ensure that dealers are denied access to the vicinity of psychiatric institutions. Long-term psychotic illness (including schizophrenia)

    12.8 The evidence to support an association between the use of cannabis by young people and the development of a psychotic illness (including schizophrenia) is not entirely consistent (Section 8). There is a significant increase in the risk of the development of a psychotic illness (including schizophrenia) in controlled observational studies (Section 8.7), but this does not appear to have been accompanied by an increase in the incidence of psychotic illness or schizophrenia at a population level (Sections 8.9 and 8.10). This may reflect a weak and complex causal link, or some other factor(s) such as a common predisposition to schizophrenia and also to cannabis use. Miller and colleagues [47] reported that individuals at high risk, because of a family history of schizophrenia, appeared to be susceptible to cannabis-related illnesses if they had a history of certain behavioural problems between the ages of 13 and 16 years.

    12.9 On balance, the Council considers that the evidence points to a probable, but weak, causal link between psychotic illness and cannabis use. Whether such a causal link will become stronger with the wider use of higher potency cannabis products remains uncertain.


  3. #123


    I found this thread very entertaining

  4. #124
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    I haven't sat and read 13 pages but for what its worth I smoke weed, I dont drink alchohol and I dont smoke tabacco, 2 of the BIGGEST KILLERS out there, but the press is so little because everyone uses them...I'm not going to go as far as saying weed will make you roll better, it won't. It does help in the confidence area, relaxation, helps lets you loosen up, but to castrate someone because they appreciate weed is #Bullshit.

    If I wanna roll a little high, then that's upto me, I'm pretty much stoned 24/7, 365 days a year, I work a 7-5, I pay my rent, my taxes, I'm not a hooligan, a chav or a trouble maker. What is your problem OP? Go fucking crusade against alchohol or tabacco sales which kill hundreds of thousands of people every fucking year.

    rolling whist 'chasing the dragon' though, now that's a different story...

  5. #125


    ^^its not just because everyone 'uses them'..Alcohol and tobaco are taxable so therefore profitable to the government.

  6. #126
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    Doesn't take away the fact that both damage your body when taken, FACT. Find me the study that shows Marijuana does the same...there isn't one, unless your pulling some crappy documents/campaign material from the 40's/50's when all this bullshit propoganda started.

    Taxable doesn't mean no harm caused.

    Weed wont get legalised because it's seen as a natural (no pun intended) healer/mood enhancer which would KO most of these bullshit tablets/meds people take on the chemists shelf's these days, thinking they will actaully do something good for them. Millions of £££ have been invested into making us think that the latest anti-this and anti-that pill are going to cure us...BULLSHEET. I'm not saying weed is a miracle drug, it's far from it, but personally, I see far more pro's connected to marijuana than con's.

  7. #127


    cannabis has loads of medical benefits! i don't smoke it myself(used to) but have read a lot about it, there's a video interview on the web from a cancer specialist who as done a lot of tests on people with terminal cancer, who have had all the chemo and operations to cure them with no effect, he claims that after giving these patients cannabis oil the cancer has gone!

    The only reason cannabis is illegal is because the government can not patent it so carnt tax and make money from it, just think if cannabis can cure a lot of illnesses how much money would the pharmaceutical company's lose? the government would lose billions in taxes every year! heres the video, its well worth a watch, also might make some of you see different.

  8. #128


    You only have to look at whats going on in America at the moment as they have drastically changed their stance on weed now it is viewed as being medicinal.
    Its not for everyone obviously and some people should stay away, but those people should probably stay away from most things such as alchohol and stimulants, if people wana kick back and chill out when they get home from work or training and have a laugh with their friends its affecting no one, and if their smoking it pure without tobacco then they are not even affecting their lung capicity

  9. #129


    Wow, some deluded people in this place. Relax is bang on the money.

    All I should need to say is go watch some Bill Hicks and you may well be slightly more enlightened. However with some of the neolithic replies in here I'd say Bill Hicks would be wasted on many. To put it bluntly cannabis (as this seems to be the pivotal point here) is only illegal as the government isn't able to levy a tax on it. As for the health benefits this has been pretty much covered so I won't go into that but what I will say is that the pros of cannabis far outweigh the cons.

    Now on to the more addictive stuff (heroin,crack etc), it is my opinion that only the weak minded and weak willed get addicted to this stuff. It is the person taking the substance who is responsible for putting it in their bodies it's not the drugs choice. Alcohol kills more people that both heroin and crack combined.

    As for those saying drugs are bad and "I don't take drugs" well if you drink alcohol, smoke, eat chocolate, drink coffee or tea, take prescription meds, take aspirin or over the counter meds then guess take drugs and not only that but you take drugs which are more harmful and/or addictive than many of the illegal drugs out there.

  10. #130


    Quote Originally Posted by Tommo87 View Post
    To put it bluntly cannabis (as this seems to be the pivotal point here) is only illegal as the government isn't able to levy a tax on it.
    Ummm... why? If it was legal, it would be taxed and there would be a bunch of tax revenue.

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