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    Greetings from the Jigoku Dojo in Aberdeen, everyone!

    The game has changed. The MMA scene in Scotland is increasingly shifting to a focus on Pro rules; with the new C class taking over at most events and we believe that this is a good thing. Fighting at actual ‘shows’ will now require far more preparation and the problems arising during discussions of the old ‘amateur’ rules now seem obsolete. A couple of years ago, when MMA tournaments in Scotland were still scarce, entering a competition was seen as an honour available to the few athletes most committed to the sport, training hard and pushing themselves to the limits. After the ‘boom’ which occurred later on, the amount of places available at tournaments increased and so did the number of people participating.

    How did this affect the quality of fights? That is debatable.

    Yet, one thing which was and is still missing is some sort of bridge between ‘the amateur’ and ‘the pro’ fighter. And, now that the bar has been raised in the latter, this gap has increased. Here, at the Jigoku Dojo, we think we’ve come up with an idea of how to solve this problem.

    It is our pleasure of invite you all to the first tournament of SMMART – the Scottish Mixed Martial Arts Rookie Tournament.

    The location: Aberdeen Sports Village, Aberdeen, AB24 5RU

    The date: 17th of March.

    Who we’re after: Aspiring fighters with no previous experience of participating in MMA competitions (those with one amateur fight in the ‘old’ rules format will be considered).

    If you’re a BJJ purple belt, have won gold in eight grappling comps or have had ten Thai fights in the past, please remember – this is a rookie tournament and intended to be a learning experience. It has been created for those who wish to polish their skills and increase their knowledge so that by the time they enter the cage, they will already have some experience and feel more secure when competing at pro level in front of a crowd.

    Rules format: All bouts will be fought in accordance with the new C class rules.

    How do people feel about headguards? We know what you’re about to say – they’ll slip off, turn to the side, what about chokes, et cetera, et cetera. But this is about the safety of the rookie and let’s be honest there are fights around the world which are already being fought with headguards on (in cages, at real comps) and somehow it works. We got a grant from the Aberdeen University Sports Union to get a dozen of the best headguards money can buy (any suggestions?) and we’ll test them thoroughly at all possible conditions before we decide to use them at the competition. So watch this space.

    Weight categories:

    Featherweight (-66kg)
    Lightweight (-70kg)
    Welterweight (-77kg)
    Middleweight (-84kg)
    Light Heavyweight (-93kg)
    Heavyweight (-120kg)

    What we’re after:

    A relaxed atmosphere:

    No actual audience (fighters are discouraged from bringing a huge crowd of spectators with them), no chanting of phrases such as ‘kill him’ or ‘bust the cu**’* face open’. It’ll be just you and your teammates and you’re there to learn, to get to fight with people other than your own crew, who want to be beat you really badly.

    A safe environment:

    This is an amateur event. An amateur who decides that ‘snap before tap’ is the way to go and gets injured is never going to make it pro-level. That’s why we will take special care as to prevent this sort of situations. Our referees are going to be extra vigilant and this means that, even though you may believe you could have resisted that armbar or ground and pound expose for a couple of seconds more, we have the final say and will act quickly if push comes to shove. The competitor’s safety is going to be the top priority at this event.

    Sportsmanship:

    No taunting, no disrespectful behaviour such as swearing, no taking your gumshield off and throwing it at the judges – to name a few. We’re a Mixed Martial Arts dojo, but our roots are Japanese martial arts and we are strong in what we call ‘budo’ – a real warrior’s code of conduct and it is going to be a value permeating the entire event.

    Continuity:

    We’re hoping that, if this event is successful, further tournaments will follow. This would be easier than in the case of pro-level tournaments as the event organisers are not aiming for profit – the entry fees will cover the booking of the hall, the medals and other minor expenses, but that’s it. This is an event organised solely for the purpose of helping out the young talent that’s out there, but needs some brushing up before it’s shown to the public. Everything else is not that important.

    If you are interested in participating, send your name, the name of the team you will be representing, your weight and a short description of your martial art experience (any events you have participated in, what sort of martial arts you have trained and for how long etc) to jigoku.dojo@hotmail.co.uk.

    If you are a team leader and don’t have any exact names/weights yet, but are willing to participate and have a vague idea of how many guys you could put forward, then please get in touch as well! This will help us with the preparation process – the sooner, the better!

    Any comments, thoughts or ideas are most welcome!

    Osu!

    Stanislaw
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    The scotia cup is pretty well established and very popular id definitely suggest not clashing with it as it will effect numbers.

    I think some kind of criteria to qualify as eligable to enter would be a good idea, you will need to trust the coaches/teams to some extent though. Heard of pro MMA fighters entering Thai boxing interclubs and beginner level grappling competitions in the past.

    I also think the head guard thing could be a problem as it will casue the fight to start and stop which is never good.

    Im sure there is a market for this type of thing though

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    Osu Thaison!

    I think shifting the event to March 17 is a good idea. I fully agree that a series of criteria is important and these will be posted here at Cage Warriors soon. For me (Marc Howes – originator and co-promoter of Honour MMA) I know that there are a few (and hopefully diminishing) coaches that will put experienced fighters into beginners and intermediate shows just to get wins on the sheet. But in all honesty, I believe that true fighters would have no part in this sort of deceit. The full-contact fighting environment allows reality to intrude in a most painful manner when you climb into the cage with faux wins! This competition format is for beginners, for those that are perhaps wondering if they should dip their toes in the MMA waters; without worrying about sharks! For some may just wish to have the one fight, just to test their training and no more than that. Others may have jobs where they can’t walk into work looking the elephant man’s ugly cousin after a MMA fight. After all you don’t (or shouldn’t!) teach people to swim by chucking them into the North Sea at high tide!

    Onto the headguard problem. We have substantial funding from Aberdeen University to invest in safety equipment and we are going to try several of the more expensive types out to see if they truly do what it says on the tin. If they don’t then we won’t even consider using them. We will be using the heavier ‘sparring’ MMA gloves for the competition. As has already been noted, the refereeing with be a little sharper than in a normal MMA fights and at any point it is felt someone is in trouble it will be stopped.

    Thanks for your feedback, it helps!
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    Top ten olympic boxing style head guars could maybe work, there a lot less bulkier than most others and tend to stay on a bit better. Pretty expensive though.

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    Had a quick read of this don't think the headguard would be good either it would be harder to get out for chokes such as guillotine etc also if some1 got u in Thai clinch could be an advantage for them etc..head guards are usually just to prevent headbutts anyway aren't they? Plus what's the big safety part of wearing a headguard surely getting punched full force in the face is more sore than the head anyway? And no headshots to the back of the head are aloud anyway??

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    head guards are usually used to try and prevent knock outs and head trauma.

    they wouldn't really effect thai clinch, jr thai's wear them when competing and i sparred in thailand wearing one on the days were the sparring was more intense.

    Will make escaping your head more difficult however

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    Hey Ray, cheers for the reply. As James said, head guards will be introduced to prevent various head trauma and injuries, caused by offensive actions such as punches, kicks or the clashing of heads. Yeah, it's true, it's harder to pull a guillotine or RNC off when the guy is wearing a headguard (mostly getting the hand in is the problem, some of the headguards we're looking at have no chin so there is no obstruction caused by that), but the benefits of wearing them compensate that. Plus, as we said - we'll test them thoroughly and if it comes out that they're too much of a bother during grappling we'll ditch the idea and just go for bigger gloves.

    Other than that, you think any guys from Edge MMA would be interested in taking part ?
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    if your looking at going down the headguard road, which has its advantages and disadvantages, I would suggest giving the Rival RHG-10 a try. The Rival gear is really good, well constructed, this model has extra padding on the back of the head, and has no chin, so would be less obtrusive for chokes, not saying that it would be perfect, but its worth trying out.

    the thing that makes this head headguard special is the use of Rival's d3o shock absorption technology.

    Anyone who visited the rival stand at SFC5 will remember the guy wrapping d3o round his finger and hitting it with a hammer!

    the headguard retails at 89.99, but if your buying a dozen you may be able to get a discount

    Rival have a shop in Edinburgh, I'm sure if you pop in Todor or Sacha will be able to help you out

    If you go down the road of not bothering with headguards, how about having guys compete using shinpads? obviously they don't offer the same level of protection as a headguard but there would be added protection for fighters
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    Ok Stuart, you get some stuff from Rival to test for you "blog", also read "blagging free stuff"

    As James said, the Top Ten one might work, it's small,no chin and stays on pretty well, I've still got one from my kickboxing days, I still use it for heavy sparring sometimes, never grappled with it but I might try it tonight just out of interest and let you know, think they're about £70/80.
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    Cheers for the help guys. Think we might get in touch with osakafightgear.com as they do most of the brands that have been mentioned in this thread (Top Ten, Rival, Venum), ask them to send over one of each and test them under various conditions. Then, after we know which one works best, we'll order them in bulk. From what I've read on sherdog it seems like Top Ten might be ideal, though. If you could also test if yourself Rob, that would be fantastic.

    Stuart, we are indeed considering getting shinnies & sparring mma gloves as an alternative. Would probably have to be the fabric ones though, from my experience they tend to stay on for longest and don't stop the opponent from putting on submissions aimed at the legs as much.

    Also, please spread the word and ask guys at your own/local martial art gyms whether they would interested in taking part. A facebook page will follow soon cause, let's face it, there's not stronger advertising tool out there!

    When the thread was started we were considering whether to go for the 24th or the 17th of March. But now I can confirm that it will definitely be taking place on the 17th of March, as to avoid clashing with the Scotia Cup.
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