Nope, thats why the boys didnt go up, cause they would be in the advance division and there would be no point and to add insult they would have to pay 25 bucks to get a kicking. i didnt say he should have been in the beginners, all im saying is i kinda understand why he did it. thats why an intermediate division should be put in...... read the post again, u might get it next time tom