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    Quote Originally Posted by tomtailford View Post
    Nope they didn't... I doubt they care about the forum though!
    Lets find out !

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    I looked at these guys before.
    Anything involving Mogul Fight Management should be treated with caution.

    I think the guy who ran it (siju Roseje) is still in prison: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-16451811

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightway View Post
    I am still waiting to be reimbursed for the flights I paid for you for the french & german fighters for your first show 2 years ago, Shoot & Sprawl 1 http://www.sherdog.com/events/SS-Shoot-Sprawl-1-14477 , you still owe me £1390:

    440£ for Simon Eberlein and his coach Markus Hipp
    370£ for Fethi Messabihi and his coach Mathieu Nicourt
    290£ for Vincent Delguerra and his coach Mehdi Benmakhlouf
    290£ for Malik Merad

    I am waiting for my money for 2 years, I have no more news of you for 1 year.
    I don't like to discredit promoters, but I need to be reimbursed, I worked for you, I advanced the money for the flights, you don't answered me but you continue to organize shows, it is not honnest and correct.

    You can contact me by email contact@fightway.fr

    Thanks.

    kael - fightway management
    Hi Kael,

    Please can you tell us the name of the person/people you had agreed the payments with.

    I appretiate you have named some people in the thread but for clarity I would like to know specifically who you made the agreement/s with.

    Do you have anything in writing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    Hi Kael,

    Please can you tell us the name of the person/people you had agreed the payments with.

    I appretiate you have named some people in the thread but for clarity I would like to know specifically who you made the agreement/s with.

    Do you have anything in writing?
    Hi, I have all the emails exchanged with Wise & White.
    I spoke with Sid at this time too, but he said me he was'nt involved in this case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fightway View Post
    Hi, I have all the emails exchanged with Wise & White.
    I spoke with Sid at this time too, but he said me he was'nt involved in this case.
    Have you had any contact with them over this the show?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    I think the guy who ran it (siju Roseje) is still in prison: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-16451811
    WTF?? That's 2 miles from my house...nothing violent ever happens in this part of the world! It's a ridiculously safe and serene place to live!!!
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    Last contact march 2011
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    I looked at these guys before.
    Anything involving Mogul Fight Management should be treated with caution.

    I think the guy who ran it (siju Roseje) is still in prison: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-16451811
    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    I looked at these guys before.
    Anything involving Mogul Fight Management should be treated with caution.

    I think the guy who ran it (siju Roseje) is still in prison: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-suffolk-16451811
    Hi guys, no I'm not in prison, I'm a free man, the guilty offenders had to admit to their crime and 2 innocent parties had to suffer for no reason because of this, me being one of them out of the 4 held. Just to clear this up I had NO involvement in the crime whatsoever and no charges have been brought against me at all. I have no criminal record or any involvement in the wrong side of the law at all, never have never will.

    In regards to shoot and sprawl show, every one who knows me in the industry and my management company, mogul fight management, know I deal with fighter management ONLY, I do not promote show in any way, I will help with fighters cause that's what I do, shoot and sprawl is owned and run by Matthew wise and Carl White, Matthew was one of my fighters from my gym bst mma in Northampton, and decided to promote his own shows, for whatever reason he always has plenty of money, through whatever means and could afford to put on shows, so I supplied lots of guys from my gym to fight and some of my pro guys. The first couple of shows lost around 20k which he said he paid everyone which I now know he didn't, so for the next show I said I'd help him so he wouldn't lose so much money. So I spoke to a few people on his behalf, other fighters, camera guy, cage hire guy etc... I then went to Vegas and came back and not a lot had been done since I went away so I started cancelling my fighters (misiek was one) and a couple of others and I cancelled the video guy cause I didn't want the cost going crazy, Matthew wanted all the stuff so I rebooked a couple of things like the camera guy at his request (the camera guy can confirm this as he post on here I think) I assumed he'd just pay with his own money as it would def go over. Anyway on the night all the money from the door was collected in, I counted it paid sledge and his people straight away and whatever was left I used to pay fighters. (I still had 3 of mine to pay) when I told Matthew there was no money left and I needed some cash to pay the fighters, and he needed to pay the camera guy and ring guy, he gave me £300 to pay people and he left the event, his own event so no one could speak to him and left me there to deal with everything, I was calling him and calling him but he never answered once. He sent a text and said he'd sort out the money on Monday so I passed on the message. I paid my guys out of my own pocket and stayed in touch with any fighters I had organised but I know 3 fighters didn't not get paid and I felt for them as I would hate that to happen to my guys, it may not be much money but the principal is what mattered most.

    Matthew did lose money on the event but it was under 5k and the amount of money he has it shouldn't of been a problem but he saw an opportunity to save that money and pass the buck to me and he did, but a few good people know me and know that's not the kind of guy I am, iv worked hard to get to where I am and my fighters do very well and have made it to the top in this sport and I continue to manage the top guys and up and coming guys too, once again I do not promote shows I manage fighters and shoot and sprawl is owned by Matthew wise and Carl White, although I think Carl has nothing to do with Matthew anymore cause of him ripping him off too. I helped out to promote my gym as it was new and at the time Matthew was a friend and one of my pro fighters doing really well, so it was a shame he was a shady character.

    Thanks for those that know me and supported me through the shit time and bad press means a lot and kael, I did speak to u a few times, sorry I couldn't sort out your money from Matthew or Carl, I did ask many times, I think it was from the first or second show they did,

    Sid

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    Just to say that's great news Sid - when I heard about that story at the beginning of the year it really shocked me as from the times we've talked and met you've always been a stand up guy. Didn't hear anything else so assumed the worst but glad you're free from all that, it must have been a horrible situation.

    Hate seeing guys not get paid or worse be out of pocket from shady promoters.

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