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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    All the promotions that sign up will no longer be able to use a fighter who is not registered.

    So in Febuary/March/April 2013, You have a 3 pullouts all on your main card one or two weeks before your show.

    A promotion that already requires bloodtests simply selects a fighter who wants to fight and agrees a purse, tells him to get his bloodtests, the fighter attends the weigh in , submits the test, next day has his pre fight medical with trained/qualified medical practioners, fights , has a post fight medical with trained/qualified medical practitioners.

    A member promotion will go to the database and there will be a list of fighters , allot of these fighters will have fought on the top shops so their purse expectation will be higher, some will be contracted to other promotions, some will have already fought, some will be the wrong weight.
    You will have very few options to actually match your fight well and if you cannot find somebody on the database you simply have to cancel all the fights.

    Can somebody tell me if I have that right?
    YOUR example suggests that you will have fewer options, but how can you be so confident that fighters are going to reject this proposal at the current fee? I have spoken to and been contact by quite a number over the last 24 hrs. There is a personal value that is not being accounted for. After I lost my friend due to a KO in a kickboxing match, those around told me i wasnt allowed to compete of even train head shots without various medical stuff which would have costs me £500. had i not injured myself and got involved in commentary i was more than willing to pay £1000 so that i could safely participate in a sport without being infected with a disease, infecting someone else with a disease or suffering a hemorrhage which would have incapacitated me. That is why SAFE MMA will work, is necessary and why we are all so proud of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJunior View Post
    YOUR example suggests that you will have fewer options, but how can you be so confident that fighters are going to reject this proposal at the current fee?
    Show me where I said fighters would reject the fee?
    I am realistic, you are not.


    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJunior View Post
    I have spoken to and been contact by quite a number over the last 24 hrs. There is a personal value that is not being accounted for. After I lost my friend due to a KO in a kickboxing match, those around told me i wasnt allowed to compete of even train head shots without various medical stuff which would have costs me £500. had i not injured myself and got involved in commentary i was more than willing to pay £1000 so that i could safely participate in a sport without being infected with a disease, infecting someone else with a disease or suffering a hemorrhage which would have incapacitated me. That is why SAFE MMA will work, is necessary and why we are all so proud of it.
    Whilst I appreciate your own personal testimony and sentiment I am not actually sure of the point you are making beyond your emotion.

    Make no mistake, I too have transacted with many people about this.
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    Fuck me, havent read this yet but Bean are you moaning yet again before something even gets up and going?

    IMMAF ring a bell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    Show me where I said fighters would reject the fee?
    I am realistic, you are not.
    because SAFE MMA are confident of a very high number of UK fighters signing up which would therefore leave a huge talent pool within the database


    Quote: Whilst I appreciate your own personal testimony and sentiment I am not actually sure of the point you are making beyond your emotion.

    The point is, athletes do care about their well being. martial artists rarely embark on their journey to make a bundle of money, but obviously need to be able to support themselves and their families. How much does an average fighter spend on supplements? would that amount be comparable to expenditure on looking after his or her self from a slightly different medical standpoint?

    Quote: Make no mistake, I too have transacted with many people about this.
    Thats good to hear )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evzy View Post
    Fuck me, havent read this yet but Bean are you moaning yet again before something even gets up and going?

    IMMAF ring a bell?
    Are you commenting blind without knowing any facts?

    This issue is to important for our games, I would hope you appreciated that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJunior View Post
    because SAFE MMA are confident of a very high number of UK fighters signing up which would therefore leave a huge talent pool within the database
    Please can you post the projected numbers and time frames as to be consistent with both your comment and statement of transparency.

    Quote: Whilst I appreciate your own personal testimony and sentiment I am not actually sure of the point you are making beyond your emotion.

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJunior View Post
    The point is, athletes do care about their well being. martial artists rarely embark on their journey to make a bundle of money, but obviously need to be able to support themselves and their families. How much does an average fighter spend on supplements? would that amount be comparable to expenditure on looking after his or her self from a slightly different medical standpoint?
    This is not about athletes caring or not caring and that has never been my point or even alluded to.

    This is about value and duplication IMO.

    Value in that it is significantly better value than simply obtaining the GP bloodtest as requested by a promotion with pre and post medicals by trained/qualified staff already in place at many events and duplication in that a governing body when established will not require membership fees that will suffer due the mandatory medical fees presently incumbent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnJunior View Post
    Sorry Mad Dog, but I dont fully understand your maths. I'm not sure about a promoter having to compensate a fighter as the fighter pays an annual fee which will allows them to fight on any SAFE MMA show. £150 comtribution is over 60% contribution for 1 fight out of a possible 6/7 if you look at Alexei (;o)) or Jack Mason. This might be a controversial argument, but some promoters have been taking and not really contributing to the longevity of the sport...not your show, sir.
    John, being a pro fighter is very costly with training, fitness, coaching, diet etc.. most fighters aren't sponsored (and if they are its often a free pair of shorts/gloves etc) so their purse goes towards covering these costs (presuming their full time job pays for the usual household bills etc) if you increase their costs by £235 +GP medicals£?? (hence £300 - they charge £10-15 for a simple sick note nowadays) then that expense needs to come from somewhere.. so they would ask for an increase on their purse for each fight.
    Yes Alexei and Jack are prolific but I would say your average pro fights 2-3 times a year? £300/2=£150.
    Our promotion like others is trying to appeal to the general public so we try and keep the basic ticket price as low as possible at £20, less fighters commission of £5 leaves you £15 per ticket reclaim the additional £2,640, £2,640/£15=167 extra spectators. Or its a direct increase of my costs by 6% (if my calculations are correct.. it is Friday after all)
    Please dont get me wrong, I am definitely in favour of increasing fighter safety (esp after the blood bath at SnA) but it has to be sustainable. This is very chicken and egg at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Dog View Post
    John, being a pro fighter is very costly with training, fitness, coaching, diet etc.. most fighters aren't sponsored (and if they are its often a free pair of shorts/gloves etc) so their purse goes towards covering these costs (presuming their full time job pays for the usual household bills etc) if you increase their costs by £235 +GP medicals£?? (hence £300 - they charge £10-15 for a simple sick note nowadays) then that expense needs to come from somewhere.. so they would ask for an increase on their purse for each fight.
    Yes Alexei and Jack are prolific but I would say your average pro fights 2-3 times a year? £300/2=£150.
    Our promotion like others is trying to appeal to the general public so we try and keep the basic ticket price as low as possible at £20, less fighters commission of £5 leaves you £15 per ticket reclaim the additional £2,640, £2,640/£15=167 extra spectators. Or its a direct increase of my costs by 6% (if my calculations are correct.. it is Friday after all)
    Please dont get me wrong, I am definitely in favour of increasing fighter safety (esp after the blood bath at SnA) but it has to be sustainable. This is very chicken and egg at the moment.
    I'm not sure what the problem is here. If you genuinely feel you cannot afford to use the scheme, then nobody is forcing you to do so.

    A number of the larger promotions have stated their support for it - so you have the perfect opportunity to wait and see how it goes before making your decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    Please can you post the projected numbers and time frames as to be consistent with both your comment and statement of transparency.

    Those figures will be at the press conference next week I'm sure. I honestly dont have the cost analysis sheet.

    Quote: Whilst I appreciate your own personal testimony and sentiment I am not actually sure of the point you are making beyond your emotion.



    This is not about athletes caring or not caring and that has never been my point or even alluded to.

    This is about value and duplication IMO.

    Value in that it is significantly better value than simply obtaining the GP bloodtest as requested by a promotion with pre and post medicals by trained/qualified staff already in place at many events and duplication in that a governing body when established will not require membership fees that will suffer due the mandatory medical fees presently incumbent.

    I see your argument and standpoint, but surely we have to consider more than just finance in a decision making process? The 2 sets of bloods per year are at what we believe to be the best rate, when you have to pay (not sex clinic, which leads to some ambiguity with the presentation of results). You also buy into the admin process that will handle all of the confidential information, analysed by medical professional and integrated with the software. It also includes the review of the medical that are undertaken by GPs. All of this is centralised with a support network from medical professional specialising in sports performance who are on hand to give advice etc.
    Commentator: CWFC, Kayo MMA, Shock n Awe. SAFE MMA. johngooden.co.uk @johngoodenuk

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    Quote Originally Posted by BakedBean View Post
    Please can you post the projected numbers and time frames as to be consistent with both your comment and statement of transparency.

    Those figures will be at the press conference next week I'm sure. I honestly dont have the cost analysis sheet.

    Quote: Whilst I appreciate your own personal testimony and sentiment I am not actually sure of the point you are making beyond your emotion.



    This is not about athletes caring or not caring and that has never been my point or even alluded to.

    This is about value and duplication IMO.

    Value in that it is significantly better value than simply obtaining the GP bloodtest as requested by a promotion with pre and post medicals by trained/qualified staff already in place at many events and duplication in that a governing body when established will not require membership fees that will suffer due the mandatory medical fees presently incumbent.

    I see your argument and standpoint, but surely we have to consider more than just finance in a decision making process? The 2 sets of bloods per year are at what we believe to be the best rate, when you have to pay (not sex clinic, which leads to some ambiguity with the presentation of results). You also buy into the admin process that will handle all of the confidential information, analysed by medical professional and integrated with the software. It also includes the review of the medical that are undertaken by GPs. All of this is centralised with a support network from medical professional specialising in sports performance who are on hand to give advice etc.

    Its not simply blood testing fees.
    Commentator: CWFC, Kayo MMA, Shock n Awe. SAFE MMA. johngooden.co.uk @johngoodenuk

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